Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

caveat emptor wrote: »

I find it strange that other countries that are not led by megalomaniac Dr Evil type characters of NPHET have a bigger problem than us.

I mean if it's all NPHETs fault how come other countries are in a much worse state.

Why don't the politicians bin them? I'd say it's because that will cement them not being reelected.

I mean lots of people unemployed is depressing and terrible.

Hospitals not working, lots of people unemployed is worse.

Because they were all opened up for months and people got to live normal lives for much of the summer, they realise they will have to have a few months of lockdown.

The Irish have been lockdown since March virtually in some way or another.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's what having an open septemeber looks like in Italy. It was a great idea getting back to normal while it lasted. That's an A and E in Rome.

Do you think the government did the right thing by listening to science? I do.
Don't get me wrong, lockdown or whatever this is is a pile of crap but it's better than the alternative.

No room at the inn.

Same in lots of areas all over Italy.

To be fair you could post clips from any Irish A&E from any year and it would look worse than anything in those video's.

Good news here:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1329029378098012161

daydorunrun wrote: »

To be fair you could post clips from any Irish A&E from any year and it would look worse than anything in those video's.

Thats nonsense

Looks like EU Commission backing use of rapid antigen testing in certain settings: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2047

I see there is a white paper from 170 Irish doctors and scientists been realised criticising NHPET and the lockdowns.

Ficheall wrote: »

Compared to the rest of Europe, even though far from perfect, I'd sooner have our policy-directing body and population than pretty much anywhere else's, based on results like these.
(Apologies for png size, but sure there'll be a new page in jig time, and it's nice to be able to actually read them, which wouldn't be the case if I shrank them.)

Yeah, Level 5 a complete waste of 1.5 Billion Euro and for what? Keeping honest hard working people from making a living, and at such an important time of year. And this after they invested so much to make their businesses safe.
We won't get cases below where they are now. NPHET making noise about 1000 cases a day in January, aka we have no plan only close everything down.

Why was testing in nursing homes reduced to once fortnightly? Why are there so many outbreaks in hospitals where so many of our vulnerable are getting treatment for various ailments? And then having the gall to start tweeting more 'concern' re numbers when it's their strategy failing and will continue to fail if they attempt to cancel Christmas in any 'meaningful' way.

xabi wrote: »

I see people being treated from the back seat of their cars, I have never seen that in Ireland.

I suppose it a case of what mindset you view them with.

I tend to keep an open mind on things, the truth is we are not there, we don't really no what's going on- but rather than assuming people are being triaged in cars it's worth remembering that perhaps they are being told to remain in their vehicles for assessment rather than pouring into cramped waiting areas and exposing themselves or others to infection.

Again I'm not trying to belittle the obvious problems that are being experienced in many places right now but we live or lives partly within an online world, where narrative and opinion can be pushed and backed up with videos/images that may not tell the full story and can indeed be used to fearmonger.

owlbethere wrote: »

Do posters feel better about themselves insulting members of NHPET? How that adds to any discussion, I will never know.

How about members of NPHET who wear short skirts on nights out? Can we criticize them?

caveat emptor wrote: »

These are governmental decisions.
I’m not blaming anybody I’m responding to your point that “we’ve had a lockdown since March”

Being able to effectively go to a different country on a weekend break or a two week holiday isn’t exactly draconian.

The gov’s decision to not compel companies to give refunds is the crux of the matter. Wouldn’t be blaming anyone except them on that point. Id say a lot of people wouldn’t have gone had they been allowed to get a refund.

Sorry, I wasn't saying you were blaming people.

It's more a case that since the news broke about the Spanish strain I've heard a lot of people concluding that Spain = Holidays so selfish people must have gone and brought it back, when the spread of the virus is far more complicated than that.

cameramonkey wrote: »

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

That its good to see other opinions offered instead of NHPET.

It's like noone dare challenge and question done of their decisions.

How dare we.