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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #7022
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Boggles wrote: »
    Is he? I just remember him saying several he wasn't getting paid, like he was a noble law professor fighting injustice.

    Trickle down grifting.

    Link


  • #7023
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Trickle down grifting.

    Link

    That article is behind the NYT paywall but rudy denies he asked for $20,000 a day

    https://thehill.com/homenews/526360-giuliani-denies-asking-for-20000-a-day-to-do-legal-work-for-trump


  • #7024
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I blame the political leaders like sydthebeat said

    Which leaders, for what? Do they each share the blame or some more than others?

    As POTUS is the ultimate political leader, what specifically do you blame him for, what should he do differently to start to cure these problems.


  • #7025
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I blame the political leaders like sydthebeat said

    So you are saying that Trump is responsible for the proud boys violence?


  • #7026
    hirondelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    "Rioting"

    And have you condemned the violence on Trump's side? You were mad keen to get condemnation for the BLM stuff by way of balance.


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  • #7027
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    That article is behind the NYT paywall but rudy denies he asked for $20,000 a day

    https://thehill.com/homenews/526360-giuliani-denies-asking-for-20000-a-day-to-do-legal-work-for-trump


    Yup even though multiple people who would know are saying he did ask for 20k hes now saying

    “I never asked for $20,000,” he said. “The arrangement is, we’ll work it out at the end.”


    Which means its definitely gonna be 20k


  • #7028
    Aleece2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Aleece2020


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Isn't he getting 20k a day?

    In fairness to the man, if you had to deal with Trump and his antics on Twitter etc. wouldn't you want the same amount of compensation, if not more?


  • #7029
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    In fairness to the man, if you had to deal with Trump and his antics on Twitter etc. wouldn't you want the same amount of compensation, if not more?


    Not if your Rudy and just as responsible for the current situation due to being complicit in everything trumps done the past 4 years


  • #7030
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    In fairness to the man, if you had to deal with Trump and his antics on Twitter etc. wouldn't you want the same amount of compensation, if not more?

    If he has a deal with trump , he ain't getting paid at the end


  • #7031
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,482 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Poor Rudy thinking he will get paid at the end.

    Hate to have explain that to his wife / cousin.

    :pac:


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  • #7032
    Aleece2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Aleece2020


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Not if your Rudy and just as responsible for the current situation due to being complicit in everything trumps done the past 4 years

    I'm sure Rudy is up to his neck in it much like how the rest of the people close to Trump are. The way he gets rid of people for seemingly just disagreeing him must be really ****ing hard to cope with. His office is like a goddamn airport with people leaving and arriving constantly. I imagine that working for someone like that must be like being in a Cult of some sort.

    Must be awful to be one of his children too. I'd love to see them posting on reddit on the 'raised by narcissists board' and give us the real story of what it's been like for them once this is all over and they get out of his sphere of influence.


  • #7033
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    In fairness to the man, if you had to deal with Trump and his antics on Twitter etc. wouldn't you want the same amount of compensation, if not more?

    Lets be real, Rudy is gonna get stiffed here.


  • #7034
    Aleece2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Aleece2020


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Lets be real, Rudy is gonna get stiffed here.

    Can't wait for the tweets when he does; from him and from Trump. :pac:


  • #7035
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    I'm sure Rudy is up to his neck in it much like how the rest of the people close to Trump are. The way he gets rid of people for seemingly just disagreeing him must be really ****ing hard to cope with. His office is like a goddamn airport with people leaving and arriving constantly. I imagine that working for someone like that must be like being in a Cult of some sort.

    Must be awful to be one of his children too. I'd love to see them posting on reddit on the 'raised by narcissists board' and give us the real story of what it's been like for them once this is all over and they get out of his sphere of influence.

    I can picture Don Jr re-enacting this scene from the Fresh Prince

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI4Mv8R0mE0


  • #7036
    omega man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭omega man


    Trump fired Chris Krebs, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency who had previously stated the election was one of the safest ever.

    The man is insane and people are sitting back watching it happen before their eyes.


  • #7037
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Orange Man Bad!


  • #7038
    KilOit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭KilOit


    omega man wrote: »
    Trump fired Chris Krebs, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency who had previously stated the election was one of the safest ever.

    The man is insane and people are sitting back watching it happen before their eyes.

    Leave the white house as flaming dumpster and blame the fallout on Dems for the entire 4 years. Smart move


  • #7039
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,527 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    omega man wrote:
    The man is insane and people are sitting back watching it happen before their eyes.
    Is he insane? If that's the case he won't be fit to stand trial for any charges against him.

    I said this a few weeks ago and it was dismissed.


  • #7040
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,356 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    MontgomeryClift wrote: »
    Orange Man Bad!
    Tourettes :(


  • #7041
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Is he insane? If that's the case he won't be fit to stand trial for any charges against him.

    I said this a few weeks ago and it was dismissed.

    he is not insane. He will be fit to stand trial.


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  • #7042
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    Must be awful to be one of his children too. I'd love to see them posting on reddit on the 'raised by narcissists board' and give us the real story of what it's been like for them once this is all over and they get out of his sphere of influence.


    I dont think we will ever see anything like this unless it were to come from Tiffany or has her father refers to her "whats her name?", or maybe Barron.


    Ivanka, Don Jr and Eric deserve no sympathy they are as up to their necks in everything as their father and should never be absolved of the responsibility for their actions. If they didnt like the situation they were in they had ample chances to leave over the years.


  • #7043
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,527 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    he is not insane. He will be fit to stand trial.
    As the days go by I'm becoming more and more suspicious of his motives. I don't believe for one second that Trump believes he can change the result of this election.
    There's an ulterior motive in play here.


  • #7044
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    As the days go by I'm becoming more and more suspicious of his motives. I don't believe for one second that Trump believes he can change the result of this election.
    There's an ulterior motive in play here.

    Of course he doesn't think he can change the result. He will burn down everything around him and then blame Biden for not fixing his ****ups for the next 4 years.


  • #7045
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    What we know from past experience is that Trump is not playing some kind of long game. Everything he does is purely reactionary, whatever he can do to protect his ego and satisfy the narcissist inside.

    He will not alow himself to be declared unfit to stand trial because his ego wouldn't allow him to. He would insist that all of the charges against him are false, and like Guiliani might even go as far as to represent himself if nobody else is doing a good enough job.

    From Trump's point of view, the appropriate move when an underling argues with you is to fire them and replace them with someone who will obey without question.

    What he misses is the long game - firing highly competent and highly respected top members of any organisation and replacing them with a limp patsy is a sure fire way to turn the whole organisation against you. Trump will now find it much slower and more difficult to get CISA and the DoHS to co-operate with him


  • #7046
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Of course he doesn't think he can change the result. He will burn down everything around him and then blame Biden for not fixing his ****ups for the next 4 years.

    And his base will swallow it hook, line, and sinker


  • #7047
    Terence Rattigan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Terence Rattigan


    omega man wrote: »
    Trump fired Chris Krebs, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency who had previously stated the election was one of the safest ever.

    The man is insane and people are sitting back watching it happen before their eyes.

    He is doing his masters bidding, the golden shower must remain a stain under the mattress


  • #7048
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    eagle eye wrote: »
    As the days go by I'm becoming more and more suspicious of his motives. I don't believe for one second that Trump believes he can change the result of this election.
    There's an ulterior motive in play here.

    I don't think he really has an opinion one way or the other about if he can get the result changed or not. He doesn't care.

    It's just what he does. Attempt to do something. Blame everyone else for cheating. Make a balls up of whatever simple task it was that he had to do. Blame everyone else for hating on him. Scream a bit. Blame people for cheating a bit more. Move onto the next thing whilst claiming that it was someone else's fault and everyone has told him how great he is and he knows more about "thing" than probably anyone ever before so it clearly wasn't his fault if other people cheated.

    The winning or losing isn't a concern for him. It's just the taking part and people adoring him before he moves onto something new he can claim to be great at.


  • #7049
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    eagle eye wrote: »
    As the days go by I'm becoming more and more suspicious of his motives. I don't believe for one second that Trump believes he can change the result of this election.
    There's an ulterior motive in play here.

    For Trump, I think it's just his personality, he will never concede the election. If he does, in his brain, he's a loser.

    The ulterior motive is in the Republican Party I think. Trump is no use to them anymore. Their leaders know that this will lead to nothing. What will they gain by dragging this out? It seems it's just to frustrate the opposing party at all costs even if it harms the country.


  • #7050
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,527 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    robinph wrote:
    The winning or losing isn't a concern for him. It's just the taking part and people adoring him before he moves onto something new he can claim to be great at.
    I think you are grossly underestimating him.
    Many years ago he did a stint with the WWE and his actions were eerily similar to how he's acted as President.
    He started out as the bad guy but by the end they were shouting his name. The majority of people that go to wrestling events are type that would vote for him. I think he found out how to appeal to those people there. I think getting those people to the polls was his biggest achievement.
    Now if he was planning this n running for President back then it means he's well capable of planning long term.


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  • #7051
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    eagle eye wrote: »
    As the days go by I'm becoming more and more suspicious of his motives. I don't believe for one second that Trump believes he can change the result of this election.
    There's an ulterior motive in play here.

    The Ulterior motive is absolutely clear.

    If he had conceded like a normal person a large segment of his base would have deserted him, they certainly would have stopped giving him money.

    Look at how badly QAnon were flailing as Biden was called the winner. Their whole house of cards had tumbled, the Trump "fight" has given them a lifeline.

    Trump keeping up this utterly ridiculous fight is aimed at solely at one thing , keeping his base active and willing to continue to fund him.

    He will keep this charade up all the way through - The day after Biden is officially confirmed - Not sure if that is December 14th when the EC vote or January 6th when the results of the vote are "announced" in Congress , he will "officially announce his candidacy for 2024.

    Again , not because he will actually run , but because it allows him to keep his PAC open and grab up cash to pay off his debts and spend as he sees fit.

    How much money do you think is going to flow in that PAC from Big Oil/Gas as he raffles off Alaska in his final few weeks in office?

    It's a Grift , just like everything else he has ever done in his entire life.


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