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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    He's not leaving the WH for Thanksgiving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,261 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Water John wrote: »
    He's not leaving the WH for Thanksgiving.

    He’s worried he won’t get in. I see he’s also fired the DHS official who released the statement about the election just gone as being the most secure one ever. So saying elections were on the up and up is a bad thing now ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,261 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    And it seems that GOP chaired board of electors in Wayne county has said she is willing to certify results in all parts of the county bar Detroit. At some point subtlety has vanished if it existed at all.

    I listened to a podcast about the 2000 election called fiasco and in one of the episodes the host sums it up well, when he said “the gop don’t care if they look like hypocrites, they just don’t like losing” which even though it was in relation to an event 20 years ago could easily be attached to the same party today.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    He’s worried he won’t get in. I see he’s also fired the DHS official who released the statement about the election just gone as being the most secure one ever. So saying elections were on the up and up is a bad thing now ?


    That is because the official, didn't know, what he is talking about or is lying.
    Voter fraud is rampant.


    "Starting on April 1, 2018, illegal aliens in California who have recently obtained state driver's licenses legally, or obtained them previously by lying about their immigration status, will automatically be registered to vote."


    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/illegals_in_california_with_drivers_licenses_eligible_to_vote_after_april_1.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    And it seems that GOP chaired board of electors in Wayne county has said she is willing to certify results in all parts of the county bar Detroit. At some point subtlety has vanished if it existed at all.

    I listened to a podcast about the 2000 election called fiasco and in one of the episodes the host sums it up well, when he said “the gop don’t care if they look like hypocrites, they just don’t like losing” which even though it was in relation to an event 20 years ago could easily be attached to the same party today.

    It was announced they reversed the decision and voted 4-0 in favour of certifying the results.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Who is going to be fired from homeland security for this statement? Krebs or someone else?
    Good call sir. Krebs has now been fired. I'm sure we're all shocked to hear this.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,018 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That is because the official, didn't know, what he is talking about or is lying.
    Voter fraud is rampant.


    "Starting on April 1, 2018, illegal aliens in California who have recently obtained state driver's licenses legally, or obtained them previously by lying about their immigration status, will automatically be registered to vote."


    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/illegals_in_california_with_drivers_licenses_eligible_to_vote_after_april_1.html

    It's a little more complicated than that.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-non-citizens-cannot-vote-california-elections/5285081002/
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-motor-voter-act/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    That American Thinker blog is mental, full of poorly written conspiracy theories. Anyone using that as a serious source would want to have a serious look at themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,153 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That American Thinker blog is mental, full of poorly written conspiracy theories. Anyone using that as a serious source would want to have a serious look at themselves.

    They're scurrying to find new sources of information since even most presenters on Fox now will no longer peddle the BS.

    Probably going to see a significant amount of activity in the media over the coming months/years.

    Will Parler attract significant numbers at Twitters loss?
    What way will Fox develop? Likely will be influenced by Hannity and Carlson and what Trump might end up doing with respect to his own activities wrt the media.

    One things for sure, the likes of Steve Bannon and Alex Jones are probably ecstatic at the division since the election and they and many others will look to harness this market.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    One things for sure, the likes of Steve Bannon and Alex Jones are probably ecstatic at the division since the election and they and many others will look to harness this market.

    The left are equally culpable of sowing division. The Dems need to take a long hard look at themselves after losing the Senate elections and, despite 4 years of crazy, seeing Trump poll nearly 10 million more than last time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,153 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The left are equally culpable of sowing division. The Dems need to take a long hard look at themselves after losing the Senate elections and, despite 4 years of crazy, seeing Trump poll nearly 10 million more than last time.

    Trump won a smaller percentage of the turnout than he did in 2016.
    He's less popular now than he was then. No surprise there of course, he's been abysmal.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    That's some serious messing with statistics you're doing there. 10 million more voted for him than last time yet he's less popular?

    Its actually quite something when you consider virtually the entire media, print and TV, along with big tech spent 4 years discrediting him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    The left are equally culpable of sowing division. The Dems need to take a long hard look at themselves after losing the Senate elections and, despite 4 years of crazy, seeing Trump poll nearly 10 million more than last time.

    The political left abandoned it's base long ago, there's also effectively been no left leaning political representation in American politics for a very long time, the dems aren't left leaning, particularly economically


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Its actually quite something when you consider virtually the entire media, print and TV, along with big tech spent 4 years discrediting him.

    ....and they were right, he's clearly useless at politics and also in business, in fact there's not much he's really good at, I suspect he's terrible at golf to, even with all his practice


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    The political left abandoned it's base long ago, there's also effectively been no left leaning political representation in American politics for a very long time, the dems aren't left leaning, particularly economically

    Maybe not economically but they're woke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,273 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    A good recap of the various legal battles brought by Trump, the "basis" for the claims and where they are at


    https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1328692932392718338?s=19

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,051 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    That's some serious messing with statistics you're doing there. 10 million more voted for him than last time yet he's less popular?


    Yes he won a lower percentage of the total turnout than he did last time therefore he is less popular than he was in 2016 with the total number of voters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Maybe not economically but they're woke.

    what?


  • Subscribers Posts: 43,412 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Maybe not economically but they're woke.

    Truly insightful political commentary there.

    Fit neatly into a tweet actually


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Mod Note
    Maybe not economically but they're woke.

    Please read the charter, in particular:
    High standards of debate and quality posts / threads are required. Repeated one liner, low quality style posts will result in a ban. Threads (and posts) that are not based on serious and legitimate Political discussion will be deleted without warning.

    Cryptic one-liners such as this definitely fall into that category.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭Patser


    I know it's a bit of twitter dump, but:

    Donald Trump, overnight and by Twitter, sacks Chris Krebs his director of Cybersecurity, for the serious offence of not backing his claims of fraud.

    Everyone queues up to take pot shots at Trump, including Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker himself)

    Which leads to Chris Krebs - now with zero fecks left to give about Trump, to go Ultra Star Wars on Twitter to tear Trump apart.


    https://twitter.com/C_C_Krebs/status/1328953421882413056


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Trump had to be talked out of launching a military strike on Irans main nuclear facility the other day, who knows what he’ll do now out of spite, crazy stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Hes actually such a whinging, pathetic, petulant little child that hes looking to start a war, any war, not for diplomatic, political or strategic reasons but just to leave Biden with an impossible mess of a problem.

    As much as I’d hate to see another pointless war the laugh at all the he didn’t start a war posts would be hilarious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,091 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Patser wrote: »
    I know it's a bit of twitter dump, but:

    Donald Trump, overnight and by Twitter, sacks Chris Krebs his director of Cybersecurity, for the serious offence of not backing his claims of fraud.

    Everyone queues up to take pot shots at Trump, including Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker himself)

    Which leads to Chris Krebs - now with zero fecks left to give about Trump, to go Ultra Star Wars on Twitter to tear Trump apart.


    https://twitter.com/C_C_Krebs/status/1328953421882413056

    Heavily enjoyed the Mandalorian reference in the tweet. Excellent!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,537 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Trump had to be talked out of launching a military strike on Irans main nuclear facility the other day, who knows what he’ll do now out of spite, crazy stuff.
    As much as I like to give out about Trump any reports I read about that didn't put it like that. He asked the military for options, they presented some, and he decided against military action. Sounds like a pretty regular course of events for any president. He's a big enough lunatic with what he honestly does without having to twist normal events against him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    TheChizler wrote: »
    As much as I like to give out about Trump any reports I read about that didn't put it like that. He asked the military for options, they presented some, and he decided against military action. Sounds like a pretty regular course of events for any president. He's a big enough lunatic with what he honestly does without having to twist normal events against him.

    The fact that we know about it suggests that it is deliberate sabre rattling. I guess that is also normal.

    It is worth remembering, though, that Trump has sole authority for launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike until he is out of office.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    TheChizler wrote: »
    As much as I like to give out about Trump any reports I read about that didn't put it like that. He asked the military for options, they presented some, and he decided against military action. Sounds like a pretty regular course of events for any president. He's a big enough lunatic with what he honestly does without having to twist normal events against him.

    That was they way it was put on channel 4 news last evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Lumen wrote: »
    The fact that we know about it suggests that it is deliberate sabre rattling. I guess that is also normal.

    It is worth remembering, though, that Trump has sole authority for launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike until he is out of office.
    At this point, there is no option so crazy that he is not considering it.

    He might be wondering if he can provoke a war that is of such gravity that it would be sufficient to declare a state of emergency and keep him in power.

    Such as an active conflict involving a nuclear power. China and Russia are personal allies of his and European countries would be a step too far, but provoking Iran might just be enough to drag Israel into a conflict if they were attacked in retaliation.

    His evangelical base would lap it up. Small pockets of it have been looking for the US to start a biblical "end times" conflict in the Middle East for decades.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Trump won a smaller percentage of the turnout than he did in 2016.
    He's less popular now than he was then. No surprise there of course, he's been abysmal.

    He won 62,985,106 million votes in 2016.
    He won 73,438,425 million votes in 2020.

    That is over 10 million of a difference.

    It doesn't matter what % of anything he has, he got 10 million extra people to vote for him.

    Hence he is more fooking popular to 10 million people than he was last time.

    And to me that is bat shyte fooking crazy. :eek:

    And yes Biden won more votes than him and is more popular than him in the overall scheme of things.

    But no matter what percentages you pull out, Trump is preferable to 10 million extra people than he was in 2016.

    Again bat shyte crazy but there you have it.:rolleyes:
    That's some serious messing with statistics you're doing there. 10 million more voted for him than last time yet he's less popular?

    Its actually quite something when you consider virtually the entire media, print and TV, along with big tech spent 4 years discrediting him.

    Exactly.
    There are two ways of looking at this.
    And it is sad the fact you have to explain that fact to some people around here.

    If a companies customers went up by 10 million units one would see it as increasing popularity.
    If a TV network viewers went up by 10 million one would view it as being more popular than before no matter what the fook the other networks were doing.
    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ....and they were right, he's clearly useless at politics and also in business, in fact there's not much he's really good at, I suspect he's terrible at golf to, even with all his practice

    I reckon he gets around in 30 under par.

    Himself and Rocket man could have a great game.
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yes he won a lower percentage of the total turnout than he did last time therefore he is less popular than he was in 2016 with the total number of voters.

    Just look at the numbers.
    73 million people voted for him in 2020 as opposed to 63 million in 2016.

    The voter turnout is far greater this time than last time, but he got more votes this time.


    If he was less popular than 2016 he would have got less then 63 million votes.

    More people who didn't vote last time got off their asses and bothered to turn out to vote against him.
    That was the difference.
    The feckers who couldn't give a shyte in 2016 and who hated Hilary got out and voted this time.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I seriously doubt it. His entire presidency has been characterised by inaction camouflaged by empty rhetoric. It's quite the stretch to think that, even if he wanted to, he'd be able to manage something as consequential as starting a war.


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