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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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Tell me how

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

That American Thinker blog is mental, full of poorly written conspiracy theories. Anyone using that as a serious source would want to have a serious look at themselves.

They're scurrying to find new sources of information since even most presenters on Fox now will no longer peddle the BS.

Probably going to see a significant amount of activity in the media over the coming months/years.

Will Parler attract significant numbers at Twitters loss?
What way will Fox develop? Likely will be influenced by Hannity and Carlson and what Trump might end up doing with respect to his own activities wrt the media.

One things for sure, the likes of Steve Bannon and Alex Jones are probably ecstatic at the division since the election and they and many others will look to harness this market.

V8 Interceptor

Tell me how wrote: »

One things for sure, the likes of Steve Bannon and Alex Jones are probably ecstatic at the division since the election and they and many others will look to harness this market.

The left are equally culpable of sowing division. The Dems need to take a long hard look at themselves after losing the Senate elections and, despite 4 years of crazy, seeing Trump poll nearly 10 million more than last time.

Tell me how

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

The left are equally culpable of sowing division. The Dems need to take a long hard look at themselves after losing the Senate elections and, despite 4 years of crazy, seeing Trump poll nearly 10 million more than last time.

Trump won a smaller percentage of the turnout than he did in 2016.
He's less popular now than he was then. No surprise there of course, he's been abysmal.

V8 Interceptor

That's some serious messing with statistics you're doing there. 10 million more voted for him than last time yet he's less popular?

Its actually quite something when you consider virtually the entire media, print and TV, along with big tech spent 4 years discrediting him.

Wanderer78

V8 Interceptor wrote:

The left are equally culpable of sowing division. The Dems need to take a long hard look at themselves after losing the Senate elections and, despite 4 years of crazy, seeing Trump poll nearly 10 million more than last time.

The political left abandoned it's base long ago, there's also effectively been no left leaning political representation in American politics for a very long time, the dems aren't left leaning, particularly economically

Wanderer78

V8 Interceptor wrote:

Its actually quite something when you consider virtually the entire media, print and TV, along with big tech spent 4 years discrediting him.

....and they were right, he's clearly useless at politics and also in business, in fact there's not much he's really good at, I suspect he's terrible at golf to, even with all his practice

V8 Interceptor

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The political left abandoned it's base long ago, there's also effectively been no left leaning political representation in American politics for a very long time, the dems aren't left leaning, particularly economically

Maybe not economically but they're woke.

everlast75

A good recap of the various legal battles brought by Trump, the "basis" for the claims and where they are at

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1328692932392718338?s=19

VinLieger

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

That's some serious messing with statistics you're doing there. 10 million more voted for him than last time yet he's less popular?

Yes he won a lower percentage of the total turnout than he did last time therefore he is less popular than he was in 2016 with the total number of voters.

Wanderer78

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Maybe not economically but they're woke.

what?

sydthebeat

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Maybe not economically but they're woke.

Truly insightful political commentary there.

Fit neatly into a tweet actually

Chips Lovell

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V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Maybe not economically but they're woke.

Please read the charter, in particular:

High standards of debate and quality posts / threads are required. Repeated one liner, low quality style posts will result in a ban. Threads (and posts) that are not based on serious and legitimate Political discussion will be deleted without warning.

Cryptic one-liners such as this definitely fall into that category.

Patser

I know it's a bit of twitter dump, but:

Donald Trump, overnight and by Twitter, sacks Chris Krebs his director of Cybersecurity, for the serious offence of not backing his claims of fraud.

Everyone queues up to take pot shots at Trump, including Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker himself)

Which leads to Chris Krebs - now with zero fecks left to give about Trump, to go Ultra Star Wars on Twitter to tear Trump apart.

https://twitter.com/C_C_Krebs/status/1328953421882413056

Banana Republic 1

Trump had to be talked out of launching a military strike on Irans main nuclear facility the other day, who knows what he’ll do now out of spite, crazy stuff.

salmocab

VinLieger wrote: »

Hes actually such a whinging, pathetic, petulant little child that hes looking to start a war, any war, not for diplomatic, political or strategic reasons but just to leave Biden with an impossible mess of a problem.

As much as I’d hate to see another pointless war the laugh at all the he didn’t start a war posts would be hilarious

listermint

Patser wrote: »

I know it's a bit of twitter dump, but:

Donald Trump, overnight and by Twitter, sacks Chris Krebs his director of Cybersecurity, for the serious offence of not backing his claims of fraud.

Everyone queues up to take pot shots at Trump, including Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker himself)

Which leads to Chris Krebs - now with zero fecks left to give about Trump, to go Ultra Star Wars on Twitter to tear Trump apart.

https://twitter.com/C_C_Krebs/status/1328953421882413056

Heavily enjoyed the Mandalorian reference in the tweet. Excellent!

TheChizler

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Trump had to be talked out of launching a military strike on Irans main nuclear facility the other day, who knows what he’ll do now out of spite, crazy stuff.

As much as I like to give out about Trump any reports I read about that didn't put it like that. He asked the military for options, they presented some, and he decided against military action. Sounds like a pretty regular course of events for any president. He's a big enough lunatic with what he honestly does without having to twist normal events against him.

Lumen

TheChizler wrote: »

As much as I like to give out about Trump any reports I read about that didn't put it like that. He asked the military for options, they presented some, and he decided against military action. Sounds like a pretty regular course of events for any president. He's a big enough lunatic with what he honestly does without having to twist normal events against him.

The fact that we know about it suggests that it is deliberate sabre rattling. I guess that is also normal.

It is worth remembering, though, that Trump has sole authority for launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike until he is out of office.

Banana Republic 1

TheChizler wrote: »

As much as I like to give out about Trump any reports I read about that didn't put it like that. He asked the military for options, they presented some, and he decided against military action. Sounds like a pretty regular course of events for any president. He's a big enough lunatic with what he honestly does without having to twist normal events against him.

That was they way it was put on channel 4 news last evening.

seamus

Lumen wrote: »

The fact that we know about it suggests that it is deliberate sabre rattling. I guess that is also normal.

It is worth remembering, though, that Trump has sole authority for launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike until he is out of office.

At this point, there is no option so crazy that he is not considering it.

He might be wondering if he can provoke a war that is of such gravity that it would be sufficient to declare a state of emergency and keep him in power.

Such as an active conflict involving a nuclear power. China and Russia are personal allies of his and European countries would be a step too far, but provoking Iran might just be enough to drag Israel into a conflict if they were attacked in retaliation.

His evangelical base would lap it up. Small pockets of it have been looking for the US to start a biblical "end times" conflict in the Middle East for decades.

jmayo

Tell me how wrote: »

Trump won a smaller percentage of the turnout than he did in 2016.
He's less popular now than he was then. No surprise there of course, he's been abysmal.

He won 62,985,106 million votes in 2016.
He won 73,438,425 million votes in 2020.

That is over 10 million of a difference.

It doesn't matter what % of anything he has, he got 10 million extra people to vote for him.

Hence he is more fooking popular to 10 million people than he was last time.

And to me that is bat shyte fooking crazy. :eek:

And yes Biden won more votes than him and is more popular than him in the overall scheme of things.

But no matter what percentages you pull out, Trump is preferable to 10 million extra people than he was in 2016.

Again bat shyte crazy but there you have it.:rolleyes:

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

That's some serious messing with statistics you're doing there. 10 million more voted for him than last time yet he's less popular?

Its actually quite something when you consider virtually the entire media, print and TV, along with big tech spent 4 years discrediting him.

Exactly.
There are two ways of looking at this.
And it is sad the fact you have to explain that fact to some people around here.

If a companies customers went up by 10 million units one would see it as increasing popularity.
If a TV network viewers went up by 10 million one would view it as being more popular than before no matter what the fook the other networks were doing.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

....and they were right, he's clearly useless at politics and also in business, in fact there's not much he's really good at, I suspect he's terrible at golf to, even with all his practice

I reckon he gets around in 30 under par.

Himself and Rocket man could have a great game.

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes he won a lower percentage of the total turnout than he did last time therefore he is less popular than he was in 2016 with the total number of voters.

Just look at the numbers.
73 million people voted for him in 2020 as opposed to 63 million in 2016.

The voter turnout is far greater this time than last time, but he got more votes this time.

If he was less popular than 2016 he would have got less then 63 million votes.

More people who didn't vote last time got off their asses and bothered to turn out to vote against him.
That was the difference.
The feckers who couldn't give a shyte in 2016 and who hated Hilary got out and voted this time.

Chips Lovell

I seriously doubt it. His entire presidency has been characterised by inaction camouflaged by empty rhetoric. It's quite the stretch to think that, even if he wanted to, he'd be able to manage something as consequential as starting a war.

robinph

jmayo wrote: »

If a companies customers went up by 10 million units one would see it as increasing popularity.
If a TV network viewers went up by 10 million one would view it as being more popular than before no matter what the fook the other networks were doing.

If one TV network increases it's viewership by 10 million and the other increases it by 50 million then the one which only managed 10 million is going to have it's shareholders knocking at the door wanting to know WTF is going on with the failure in a massively growing market, the CEO will get booted out the door unceremoniously, and they will then likely soon get bought up by the bigger network.

VinLieger

jmayo wrote: »

If a companies customers went up by 10 million units one would see it as increasing popularity.
If a TV network viewers went up by 10 million one would view it as being more popular than before no matter what the fook the other networks were doing.

No they wouldn't, if the total available market increases but your market share actually decreases regardless of your total number going up questions would absolutely be asked about why the others went up more. Networks absolutely care about how well the others are doing vs themselves as regards overall market share.

everlast75

TheChizler wrote: »

As much as I like to give out about Trump any reports I read about that didn't put it like that. He asked the military for options, they presented some, and he decided against military action. Sounds like a pretty regular course of events for any president. He's a big enough lunatic with what he honestly does without having to twist normal events against him.

Context is everything.

It would be worth checking into why Iran is doing the actions that have given rise to this situation.

Carfacemandog

everlast75 wrote: »

Context is everything.

It would be worth checking into why Iran is doing the actions that have given rise to this situation.

Well the US assassinated their second in charge (while in a third country) for a start. Imagine Iran had assassinated Pence during his visit to Ireland, half their country would have been reduced to ash by now.

everlast75

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Well the US assassinated their second in charge (while in a third country) for a start. Imagine Iran had assassinated Pence during his visit to Ireland, half their country would have been reduced to ash by now.

Exactly.

Obama had things moving in the right direction. It wasn't perfect, but it was progress.

Just like immigration control.

In waddles Trump, rips it all up, makes things infinitely worse, makes a balls of trying to fix it and proclaims it to the best ever solution or that he is the only one that can fix it.

You could rinse and repeat that for pretty much every thing he touched for the past 4 years.

StringerBell

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

That's some serious messing with statistics you're doing there. 10 million more voted for him than last time yet he's less popular?

Its actually quite something when you consider virtually the entire media, print and TV, along with big tech spent 4 years discrediting him.

Not really though, not virtually the entire media, print and TV. You had one side of the divide discrediting him (some would say reporting accurately on him for the most part though certainly there are bias on both sides) and you had one side of the divide who broadcast the message that everything he did was right, that he was fighting the good fight for the "real" Americans and that the other media were their enemy. Echo chambers go both ways unfortunately and in the sports fan society that seems to be the American political landscape its us against them. You are red or blue and thats that for the most part.

I look forward to digging into the statistics when all is said and done regarding voter turnout, demographics and raw numbers but for now it looks like he didn't really increase his vote share? Biden improved dramatically on Clintons vote share in terms of raw numbers but I will wait until there is some good data to analyse

Raw numbers alone can be misleading. Simply saying trump gained 10 million voters is nice, but pointless. The electorate will have grown substantially in those 4 years so if he keeps those who voted for him last time by and large and continues to attract some support from people who were too young to vote for him last time the raw numbers increase. Its also why you wouldn't place too much stock in the "most votes of any President Elect ever" or the "Stock Market is at an all time high" headlines.

StringerBell

Got sent a video this morning of a fox news host losing it a little with one of the trump spokespeople who couldn't answer the simple questions, instructive stuff

EltonJohn69

StringerBell wrote: »

Got sent a video this morning of a fox news host losing it a little with one of the trump spokespeople who couldn't answer the simple questions, instructive stuff

Link ?