Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

landofthetree · 16-11-2020 09:50PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Like comparing the League of Ireland with the Bundesliga or Premier League.

Irrelevant because different countries have different population densities and different levels of health care. Out health service is shambolic relative to Germany's for instance. This is why we had to close down and go to Level 5 as they carried on with their pubs, bars and restaurants open.

Countries do not close down because of their rate per 100,000 . . . .They close down based on their ability of their health services to manage the virus.

This virus has exposed our underinvestment in health over decades.

It's also a peculiarly Irish thing to compare ourselves to other countries as if we're doing a great job. It's embarrassing but that's the way it is I suppose.

We spend as much per capita on health as the likes of Germany.

Its mismanagement.

Spanish Eyes · 16-11-2020 09:51PM

prunudo wrote: »

I'd love to be heading over, sadly just don't think its worth the risk or money.

Very honest post. You are probably right, not worth it.

manniot2 · 16-11-2020 09:51PM

Stheno wrote: »

It was actually his porridge he is putting chillis into so he can taste something

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eight-months-after-recovering-from-covid-i-have-to-put-chilli-in-my-porridge-just-so-i-can-taste-something-39751129.html

I always thought porridge was tasteless muck anyway

Poor man. A shocking infliction. Thankfully the long Covid support groups are there for him.

Gael23 · 16-11-2020 09:54PM

It will be politically unpalatable not to allow retailers trade from December 1st. Another Government/NPHET showdown approaching

prunudo · 16-11-2020 09:59PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Very honest post. You are probably right, not worth it.

You'd still be paying top dollar for the holiday yet it be seriously curtailed when you get over there, from apres to restaurants to facilities. Don't think it would be an enjoyable holiday experience at all. And that's before you weigh up the risk to catching covid anywhere from the flight over to sitting on the lifts.

ACitizenErased · 16-11-2020 10:01PM

Gael23 wrote: »

It will be politically unpalatable not to allow retailers trade from December 1st. Another Government/NPHET showdown approaching

An Post is buckling at it's knees this week. I don't think we even have the infrastructure to move entirely online for Christmas.

Akesh · 16-11-2020 10:03PM

Gael23 wrote: »

It will be politically unpalatable not to allow retailers trade from December 1st. Another Government/NPHET showdown approaching

It will be impossible to impose a lockdown from December 1st. Majority of people had their fill of nonsense from NPHET and the government at this stage.

Any more damage to the economy and the government will be out on their feet the minute a vaccine is available.

In fairness to NPHET, they are mostly HSE management trying to protect a disaster of a health service, but real leadership and tough decisions will have to be made in order to avert a complete disaster.

People aren't going to accept the government sitting on their hands waiting for a vaccine by mid 2021.

They are all out of political capital at this point and more nonsense today from Ronan Glynn on 'hundreds of thousands' of cases if people come home for Xmas.

Stheno · 16-11-2020 10:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

An Post is buckling at it's knees this week. I don't think we even have the infrastructure to move entirely online for Christmas.

took them weeks to get two letters to me

Peter Flynt · 16-11-2020 10:05PM

landofthetree wrote: »

We spend as much per capita on health as the likes of Germany.

Its mismanagement.

It's not mismanagement.
It's corruption - 2 billion on one hospital ffs. . . and it's still not built.

We are currently underpaying staff leaving us 500 consultants and 2000 nurses short.
If we do not want to pay them properly with proper working conditions and career structure. . . others in the UAE, UK, US and Australia will

Steve012 · 16-11-2020 10:08PM

2 cvd19 non replicating vaccines rolling out next year,

Light at the end of this mad tunnel. By October next year, hopefully be more like a normal one?

Didn't a Irish based company produce a mask spray over 95% effective, non invasive or harmful even to digest. not that ya would.
Colombia college nasal spray too.
Good progress

Spanish Eyes · 16-11-2020 10:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

An Post is buckling at it's knees this week. I don't think we even have the infrastructure to move entirely online for Christmas.

Apart from letter post which is largely non existent, their courier delivery service is ace, a couple of days from order to delivery for me. Shocker

Roger_007 · 16-11-2020 10:19PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Poor man. A shocking infliction. Thankfully the long Covid support groups are there for him.

In the future there will be no ‘man flu’, there will just be ‘long Covid’.

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 10:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

An Post is buckling at it's knees this week. I don't think we even have the infrastructure to move entirely online for Christmas.

Yeah they're fairly screwed at the moment, got something delivered there today had been sitting in the depot for the last few days, chap that delivered it this morning said their swamped just can't work through the stuff quick enough.

Likewise DPD absolutely buckling under pressure.

eagle eye · 16-11-2020 10:19PM

Just got a call from friends who are both working from home, taking no chances and they have the virus. They are 100% certain it had to come from the school and there's another family with a kid in the same class who have it at home as well. I don't know this second family but my friend says they are very careful and are adamant it had to come from the school.
There's been no confirmed cases in the class but both kids from the class have been tested and have it but are asymptomatic.
I'm waiting to hear back from them in the next couple of days as to what the HSE and the school say.

ACitizenErased · 16-11-2020 10:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah they're fairly screwed at the moment, got something delivered there today had been sitting in the depot for the last few days, chap that delivered it this morning said their swamped.

Likewise DPD absolutely buckling under pressure.

I'm waiting for UPS to collect a parcel from me since last Wednesday. Haven't got enough drivers to keep up.

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 10:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm waiting for UPS to collect a parcel from me since last Wednesday. Haven't got enough drivers to keep up.

The An Post lad mentioned as well that there's alot of returns which also seem to be slowing them up, just simple volume that shops would normally look after.

Happydays2020 · 16-11-2020 10:23PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

It's not mismanagement.
It's corruption - 2 billion on one hospital ffs. . . and it's still not built.

We are currently underpaying staff leaving us 500 consultants and 2000 nurses short.
If we do not want to pay them properly with proper working conditions and career structure. . . others in the UAE, UK, US and Australia will

2 billion on a hospital? We spent 1billion plus on PPE so far and the Pandemic has cost 30 billion and counting. I think a few more 2 billion hospitals may well have been very good value for money right now.

wakka12 · 16-11-2020 10:32PM

Eivor wrote: »

I don’t understand the panic around the cases we’re seeing right now. Are the hospitals and ICUs under pressure? I thought we were trying to keep the cases at a manageable level, not get rid of the virus.

People need to stop freaking out, the situation is nowhere near as bad as this thread would have you believe.

It's really easy to lose sight of this so it needs to be said, COVID is not a major illness and the main characteristic that distinguishes it from other common respiratory viruses is that when unchecked it can topple a healthcare service, a few hundred people getting it per day is not bad, hardly anybody is dying, it's really not a worry or major public health threat until it gets to a point of unstoppable and rapid growth

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 10:46PM

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1328449049947725825?s=19

ArthurDayne · 16-11-2020 10:51PM

Arghus wrote: »

I don't see any contradiction. Understanding a person's motivation for doing something - and I do understand their motivations, you've outlined a lot them yourself above - doesn't mean that you have to view their course of action as justified. That's not mutually exclusive.

Can I understand why someone did something - yes. Do I think they were right to do it - pernaps not.

Yes, but by saying you understand why people do these things, you are essentially confirming that you understand that people need an outlet — and if you understand that people need an outlet you can therefore understand the fundamental problem with chipping away at the outlets that are available to them. The more you take away, the more people will want back — the more normality you deprive people of, the greater their enthusiasm will be to reclaim it. And this is an example in motion — you deprive people of the ability to gather indoors with a few friends for some food and drink (something human beings have done together over thousands of years), they then gravitate towards something else .... in this case drinking in the supremely well-ventilated surroundings of outdoors. Deprive them of that, where then will they go? To eachothers’ houses of course.

And then the State will let everyone loose at Christmas, with strict guidelines that only a fool could expect people to follow closely after months of their lives being frozen, and suddenly the narrative will change to socialising being OK again. Then come January the narrative will find a new scapegoat to blame for the inevitable rise in cases.

Polar101 · 16-11-2020 10:51PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The An Post lad mentioned as well that there's alot of returns which also seem to be slowing them up, just simple volume that shops would normally look after.

I had a lot of problems with An Post not delivering stuff during the summer. Now Amazon has started their own delivery company (Amazon Logistics) and taken over Amazon deliveries from An Post in my area.. probably not a coincidence.

(For those wondering what this has to do with Covid - big increase in online shopping since the start of the pandemic)

mcburns07 · 16-11-2020 10:54PM

Akesh wrote: »

It will be impossible to impose a lockdown from December 1st. Majority of people had their fill of nonsense from NPHET and the government at this stage.

Any more damage to the economy and the government will be out on their feet the minute a vaccine is available.

In fairness to NPHET, they are mostly HSE management trying to protect a disaster of a health service, but real leadership and tough decisions will have to be made in order to avert a complete disaster.

People aren't going to accept the government sitting on their hands waiting for a vaccine by mid 2021.

They are all out of political capital at this point and more nonsense today from Ronan Glynn on 'hundreds of thousands' of cases if people come home for Xmas.

People have been making statements like this since March. Sadly you're wrong.

WoollyRedHat · 16-11-2020 10:55PM

Over 85s at it again I see. The illegal bingo halls across the island will bring this country to it's knees.

MOR316 · 16-11-2020 11:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1328449049947725825?s=19

I know The Lighthouse in Dun Laoghaire don't allow you to drink within 20 metres of the place.
The pubs in the area I live in, no one has been outside drinking there but, then again, they're selling "Growlers" so you can't really be stood outside with them

majcos · 16-11-2020 11:17PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Over 85s at it again I see. The illegal bingo halls across the island will bring this country to it's knees.

I heard it’s the underground Masses that are causing the current growth in cases in the over 85s.

MOR316 · 16-11-2020 11:25PM

growleaves wrote: »

What's a "Growler"?

Can fit 5 pints apparently

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 11:25PM

HSE Operations update

266 covid paitents in hospital, down 5

34 in ICU - Up 4
20 on ventilators, down 1

22 cases reported from hospital labs up to 8pm.

kenmc · 16-11-2020 11:33PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Can fit 5 pints apparently

Maybe in the us. Mostly here are 1litre, some 750ml.

Cork2021 · 16-11-2020 11:39PM

Claire Byrne live going all out on the doom!!

Jinglejangle69 · 16-11-2020 11:41PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Claire Byrne live going all out on the doom!!

Are they promoting breaking the rules?

Like why have this chap on????

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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