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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #4562
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Another pathetic press conference performance from the journalist.
    They only ask the questions that NPHET want.

    All about funerals, takeaway pints and travel.

    Glynn even offered up information at one point about limerick Hospital leading to community transmission. Nobody even followed up on that.

    Have NPHET got all the journalists paid off or what?


  • #4563
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    Yeah I'm looking forward to this little bit of ethnic cleansing.

    what the hell is that supposed to mean?


  • #4564
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Back in march and April Ireland and Poland were on a similar trajectory. In fact Poland had less case than us. Just Look at where the respective Numbers are now.
    Ireland has done well to be where we are. There's no way the numbers are going to get much lower than what we're seeing now.
    Zero Covid is a pipedream. Only McConkey really believes it's possible.
    Each day we're closer to the vaccine rollout, that's the only thing that ends this.
    January will be a **** show I'll wager.


  • #4565
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Don't step foot inside these indoor settings until spring, great.

    Try not to be indoor or outdoor if you can help it.

    Maybe stand halfway in a out-facing doorway so you are neither.


  • #4566
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    That was a bit of a downer after the optimism of last week.


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  • #4567
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Back in march and April Ireland and Poland were on a similar trajectory. In fact Poland had less case than us. Just Look at where the respective Numbers are now.
    Ireland has done well to be where we are. There's no way the numbers are going to get much lower than what we're seeing now.
    Zero Covid is a pipedream. Only McConkey really believes it's possible.
    Each day we're closer to the vaccine rollout, that's the only thing that ends this.
    January will be a **** show I'll wager.

    I agree.

    But all the airports should be closed to the public from mid Dec to early Jan.


  • #4568
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Back in march and April Ireland and Poland were on a similar trajectory. In fact Poland has less case than us. Just Look at where the respective Numbers are now.
    Ireland has done well to be where we are. There's no way the numbers are going to get much lower than what wer

    We have taken a much more cautious approach than every country. Pubs and hospitality were never fully open. Schools should be shut for two weeks. All international studies indicated that they lead to greater transmission. When the government have a clear bias to claim that they are not playing a significant role than its harder to convince the public to be compliant.


  • #4569
    Busi_Girl08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,528 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Interesting that they said its imperative that kids get the flu vaccine so they dont spread it to older people, and yet hundreds of them can flock together in schools no problem?


  • #4570
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    froog wrote: »
    nice presser. no graphs, none of the NPHET heavyweights. just ro ro straight talking.

    Straight talking? I don't think he knows the meaning of the phrase, he's pussyfooting on every question he's asked. He comes across as either terrified of offending anyone or more likely terrified of being quoted on anything he says.


  • #4571
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    froog wrote: »
    what the hell is that supposed to mean?

    I think it was a much needed bit of humour / county rivalry

    Made me laugh


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  • #4572
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Another outbreak in a workplace,Fethard Co. Tipperary

    https://twitter.com/TippFM/status/1328321923965612032?s=19


  • #4573
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Back in march and April Ireland and Poland were on a similar trajectory. In fact Poland had less case than us. Just Look at where the respective Numbers are now.
    Ireland has done well to be where we are. There's no way the numbers are going to get much lower than what we're seeing now.
    Zero Covid is a pipedream. Only McConkey really believes it's possible.
    Each day we're closer to the vaccine rollout, that's the only thing that ends this.
    January will be a **** show I'll wager.

    It is technically possible, just hard to do.


  • #4574
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Seamai wrote: »
    Straight talking? I don't think he knows the meaning of the phrase, he's pussyfooting on every question he's asked. He comes across as either terrified of offending anyone or more likely terrified of being quoted on anything he says.

    Terrified of his boss more like.


  • #4575
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    The only age group growing is still the over 85's which is now twice the average of cases per head of population compared to the national average.

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1328384431233654789


  • #4576
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Another outbreak in a workplace,Fethard Co. Tipperary

    https://twitter.com/TippFM/status/1328321923965612032?s=19

    Another meat factory


  • #4577
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    wadacrack wrote: »
    We have taken a much more cautious approach than every country. Pubs and hospitality were never fully open. Schools should be shut for two weeks. All international studies indicated that they lead to greater transmission. When the government have a clear bias to claim that they are not playing a significant role than its harder to convince the public to be compliant.

    The obvious solution was to close schools in Dec and Jan. Everyone knew an Irish winter is ideal for covid spread.

    Bring the students in over Easter and July at primary level to make up the time.

    Secondary schools in over Easter and June and state exams in July.


  • #4578
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,212 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    He just admitted there's no evidence that they're even contributing to spread.

    There are cases and clusters increasing in schools every single day. They're one of the primary sources of spread (if you believe that "household" spread does not include at least a huge proportion of people with school-aged children then you're kidding yourself) and we're allowing it to continue and ignoring it.

    Yes, but his point was if that behaviour continues we would eventually see cases arising from it and saying that he has no definite evidence isn't the same as saying that cases don't arise from instances like that. And also he made the point that it has a detrimental effect on people trying to abide by the rules and to do their best to see those kind of scenes.

    All totally reasonable points IMO.

    Of course there's clusters/cases/outbreaks/ linked to schools. But the question is why you are comparing the necessity of schools staying open with the necessity of Street drinking being allowed to carry on.

    Schools will have cases. Hospitals will have cases. Factories, workplaces will have outbreaks - but these things are deemed essential and that's the cost of keeping them open, there's a calculated risk there that's deemed worth taking.

    Street drinking is discretionary and non essential. That's why it doesn't get the same treatment. And it does pose a risk - come on, I know it's outside but do you really think it poses zero risk with people in close contact and shouting and roaring in each others faces? - and the more of it that goes on the greater that risk becomes.

    I'm not arguing btw that it's solely responsible for the recent rise in numbers. Obviously there's a few factors, but the argument that it - a non essential social activity - is being unfairly singled out, while other essential activities are being let go is a weak argument.

    At the very least it's not sensible behaviour in the context of efforts to suppress the virus. It's behaviour that can be perhaps understood, but in no way justified - but of course, it's boards, so I'm not in the least bit surprised seeing people rush to its defence.


  • #4579
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The only age group growing is still the over 85's which is now twice the average of cases per head of population compared to the national average.

    https://twitter.co
    m/RiochtConor2/status/1328384431233654789

    B*stards still partying while the rest of us make sacrifices.


  • #4580
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,216 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Stheno wrote: »
    Another meat factory

    Did continuous testing stop in those factories?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4581
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The only age group growing is still the over 85's which is now twice the average of cases per head of population compared to the national average.

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1328384431233654789

    Maybe they are fed up as well, they haven't many years left and spending a whole one locked up is not for them.


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  • #4582
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The only age group growing is still the over 85's which is now twice the average of cases per head of population compared to the national average.

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1328384431233654789
    What the f*ck is going on????


  • #4583
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Cartamundi in Waterford confirmed, produces board games
    https://waterford-news.ie/2020/11/16/cartamundi-confirm-a-number-of-covid-cases/


  • #4584
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    prunudo wrote: »
    Schools aren't the problem, little Johnny has covid but is asymptomatic so nobody knows. He brings it home and infects mammy or daddy. They inturn go to work and infect Mick and Mary.
    So therefore it has to be the workplaces, nphet proclaim we're not doing enough and the next 2 weeks are critical.

    If that was the case, then the spread would be uncontrollable. The lack of distancing in the yard would mean it would rip though a school, it would take little time to infect practically all the kids. If a hundred kids from a school are bringing it home to Mammy and Daddy who are then bringing it to work and infecting Mick and Mary then we would be seeing exponential growth. That hasn't been the case and schools have been open several months.


  • #4585
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    What the f*ck is going on????

    They're let out of the nursing homes once a week and go drinking takeaway pints on South William Street?


  • #4586
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Arghus wrote: »
    Yes, but his point was if that behaviour continues we would eventually see cases arising from it and saying that he has no definite evidence isn't the same as saying that cases don't arise from instances like that. And also he made the point that it has a detrimental effect on people trying to abide by the rules and to do their best to see those kind of scenes.

    All totally reasonable points IMO.

    Of course there's clusters/cases/outbreaks/ linked to schools. But the question is why you are comparing the necessity of schools staying open with the necessity of Street drinking being allowed to carry on.

    Schools will have cases. Hospitals will have cases. Factories, workplaces will have outbreaks - but these things are deemed essential and that's the cost of keeping them open, there's a calculated risk there that's deemed worth taking.

    Street drinking is discretionary and non essential. That's why it doesn't get the same treatment. And it does pose a risk - come on, I know it's outside but do you really think it poses zero risk with people in close contact and shouting and roaring in each others faces? - and the more of it that goes on the greater that risk becomes.

    I'm not arguing btw that it's solely responsible for the recent rise in numbers. Obviously there's a few factors, but the argument that it - a non essential social activity - is being unfairly singled out, while other essential activities are being let go is a weak argument.

    At the very least it's not sensible behaviour in the context of efforts to suppress the virus. It's behaviour that can be perhaps understood, but in no way justified - but of course, it's boards, so I'm not in the least bit surprised seeing people rush to its defence.

    Education is also discretionary and non essential (short term)

    Higher priority than street drinking yes but also the indoor crowded nature is inexcusable.

    I saw an excellent suggestion above, close schools now, make up the time in summer when windows can be wide open or even hold classes outdoors.


  • #4587
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    normanoffside wrote: »
    They're let out of the nursing homes once a week and go drinking takeaway pints on South William Street?
    Every single age group decreasing except over 85s and it's not even MENTIONED at the press conference.


  • #4588
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    normanoffside wrote: »
    They're let out of the nursing homes once a week and go drinking takeaway pints on South William Street?

    Then they go to visit the family and infect them :D


  • #4589
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    prunudo wrote: »
    Schools aren't the problem, little Johnny has covid but is asymptomatic so nobody knows. He brings it home and infects mammy or daddy. They inturn go to work and infect Mick and Mary.
    So therefore it has to be the workplaces, nphet proclaim we're not doing enough and the next 2 weeks are critical.

    Exactly.

    NPHET are arranging the stats to suit their conclusion.

    I'm a secondary teacher. A colleague caught COVID and she caught it in the school as there were direct infections in the class she taught. She was out for a number of months and has only just returned.

    When she caught the virus shr received a phone call from the HSE.
    When asked where she felt she caught it she replied

    "At school". . . .

    The response she got was. . . "We'll put that down as a community transmission".


  • #4590
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Maybe they are fed up as well, they haven't many years left and spending a whole one locked up is not for them.


    I agree but...

    Key difference between personal choice to take a risk and society putting you at risk for their own selfish wants.


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  • #4591
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    What the f*ck is going on????

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