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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #4472
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    There's Ronan Glynn.

    I was wondering when we would see him again.


  • #4473
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    More cases than swabs today unfortunately

    Swabs were higher by 35


  • #4474
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Wasn't there 491 swabs

    Yes a misread on my part

    Thought it was 419


  • #4475
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,309 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Flu harms kids but Covid doesn't, I'm confused.


  • #4476
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Big outbreak in UL obviously

    We need hard questions to Tony and this Cabal about where the infection is occurring.

    **** is going down in hopsitalas and healthcare settings and they are trying to blame some twits drinking outside

    Tony not there tonight by the looks of it.


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  • #4477
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    85 cases in Limerick, Clare and Meath are high too outside the usual suspects. Wicklow less than 5 so that should help the negative tweets that were doing the rounds yesterday.


  • #4478
    NH2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭NH2013


    NH2013 wrote: »
    To be honest I'm actually in the camp of thinking the R0 isn't close to 0.5 or 0.6 anymore given the reduction in rate of decrease over the past 5-6 days. Now I'm only basing this on pure guesswork but I'd say its currently closer to 0.8-0.9. Still decreasing and not increasing, but no where close to the same level of decrease we'd been seeing for the previous 3 weeks.

    I'm gonna throw this theory out there, but to be honest I don't think the lockdown itself is working, or ever did. I think the only thing that worked back in March, and again at in the last 3-4 weeks, was fear.

    In March, everyone was afraid, numbers surged, we didn't know anything about it so we all hid away, reduced contacts and the numbers went down.

    Same again 3-4 weeks ago, we hit a number of days of over 1,000 cases, numbers were skyrocketing and the numbers in hospitals doubled in the space of 2 weeks, people copped on and realised something needed to change, they limited contacts, cancelled plans for the weekend etc. At the same time lockdown occured. Numbers started diving again, people started to relax, the fear of the virus this past week has been nowhere close to the fear of it 3-4 weeks ago as a result of the ability we had to control it, so people have again decided that actually it's not that risky, I'll just pop over to 1-2 other people for a coffee/chat/dinner etc and we see the reduction slow down.

    I think this has been the way it's been all along, the virus was never massively transmitted in work places or barbers/hairdressers/cafés etc, particularly during the outdoor dining stage. It was always down to personal behaviours and the numbers of contacts we had, people cut those back massively 3-4 weeks ago, the cases shot down, people see the situation getting under control now so are happy to take a few more risks/meet more people etc.

    Ultimately I think there's little the government actually can do, lockdowns work but only in so far as they highlight to people the importance of the situation, the measures themselves I don't think are entirely effective, it all comes down to compliance and personal behaviour.

    Just to quote my own post from two days ago but I really do now feel that we've turned another corner with this disease and that the R0 is probably now closer to 0.8-0.9, if not even 1.

    The restrictions aren't working as no one is as interested anymore, the numbers fell off a cliff when we introduced the restrictions so people's fear has eased up, the announcements now of two vaccines both last week and this has also meant that people now fear the virus much less so than we did 3-4 weeks ago when we had 1,200 cases a day for a few days in a row.

    While South William Street and Dame lane over the weekend probably won't cause much of a spike realistically as it was outdoors, I think it's a good gauge of public mood and perception of the virus, people have definitely relaxed.

    Questions need to be asked how we proceed with this in the next 4-5 months it'll take to vaccinate everyone that needs it the most if even if in level 5 cases are rising.

    I'm firmly of the opinion that the only thing that controls this virus is personal behaviours, which ultimately all come down to a personal assessment of the risks and the fear surrounding it, when we've spikes like 3-4 weeks ago people take it seriously and cancel plans to meet up etc, when it looks like it's under control people get more comfortable and take more risks, that's all it comes down to I think.

    You could've had the pubs wide open 4 weeks ago when cases were at 1,200 and many wouldn't have gone, or like the weekend just gone, you can have all pubs closed but with cases on the decline and the end in sight, people will still chose to congregate.

    There's little that can actually be done to control this other than personal behaviour, which is entirely dependent on people's mood and personal risk assessment.


  • #4479
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,226 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Big outbreak in UL obviously

    We need hard questions to Tony and this Cabal about where the infection is occurring.

    **** is going down in hopsitalas and healthcare settings and they are trying to blame some twits drinking outside

    Do you mean UHL ( the hospital ) not UL ( the university)
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4480
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Workplaces causing an issue apparently. I reckon employers have abandoned the WFH aspect.


  • #4481
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Next 2 weeks are critical : Dr Ro Ro


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  • #4482
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Workplaces causing an issue apparently. I reckon employers have abandoned the WFH aspect.

    Hospitals and Nursing homes are workplaces


  • #4483
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Big outbreak in UL obviously

    We need hard questions to Tony and this Cabal about where the infection is occurring.

    **** is going down in hopsitalas and healthcare settings and they are trying to blame some twits drinking outside

    It is the TWITS drinking outside and not following guidelines. Hopefully cabinet ban takeaway pints and drinks tomorrow. It's needed ASAP.


  • #4484
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Not liking the soundbites in the media today. Seems the situation has shifted in the wrong direction.

    I was in a call today for a course I'm doing related to my work. 4 of the people on the call were in Belfast and requested to do the group activity together as they were all in the same meeting room sitting with each other.

    That pissed me right off. Like the course was being delivered virtually online ffs. We have to share a border with this nonsense.


  • #4485
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Workplaces causing an issue apparently. I reckon employers have abandoned the WFH aspect.

    Traffic this morning was utterly crazy in Dublin.
    They cannot all have been nurses and teachers.


  • #4486
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shocksy wrote: »
    It is the TWITS drinking outside and not following guidelines. Hopefully cabinet ban takeaway pints and drinks tomorrow. It's needed ASAP.

    Always the pubs. Never the schools, universities, factories or hospitals. You ingenuously take one scenario in Dublin and then apply it to the rest of Ireland. Get ta f*ck.


  • #4487
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Workplaces causing an issue apparently. I reckon employers have abandoned the WFH aspect.

    How accurate are the source figures, is it down to the honesty of the infectee. Say for arguments sake, if im positive and the contact tracer asks where I've been in the last few days, I'm too ashamed or afraid of the consequences to say i was at a house party so I'll just say, only place ive been to is work and home.
    Does that then get flagged as gospel and put in the workplace column.


  • #4488
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    shocksy wrote: »
    It is the TWITS drinking outside and not following guidelines. Hopefully cabinet ban takeaway pints and drinks tomorrow. It's needed ASAP.

    So, close all off licenses?


  • #4489
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Flu harms kids but Covid doesn't, I'm confused.

    1200 kids are hospitalised with Flu each year. Covid has resulted in around 50 hospitalised kids.


  • #4490
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Just on the numbers, okay it appears its a bit of a speed bump but its not all doom and gloom.
    Italy has had about 35k cases a day the last few days, that would be equivalent to us getting 3k cases a day, just imagine how up ****s creek we would be then.


  • #4491
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    7 day average is 399 cases per day. This time last week it was 429.

    274 people in hospital, 33 in ICU. Last Monday it was 291 in hospital and 40 in ICU.


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  • #4492
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    So, close all off licenses?

    I'd have no objection to that whatsoever, 99% of people on here would though, because god forbid they had to go without a sip of alcohol for a few weeks.

    The pubs and restaurants serving the drink should be stopped anyway. The off licences can carry on as they were throughout the first lockdown. The gatherings in Cork and Dublin aren't from off licences, they're from pubs serving take out pints and people hanging around outside them that is causing the problems.


  • #4493
    [Deleted User]
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    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Traffic this morning was utterly crazy in Dublin.
    They cannot all have been nurses and teachers.

    Yep, and evening traffic is heavy again. If you look at traffic on google maps any day the last few weeks it's looked relatively normal. The numbers that went onto the PUP at level 5 are also nowhere near what the Government had planned for.

    It kind of feels like it's just the night-time economy and hospitality sector that has been put on lockdown, everyone else has defined themselves as essential.


  • #4494
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    All border counties reasonable numbers today. 11 donegal, 5 or less for Cavan, Monaghan and Leitrim and Sligo.

    Louth 17 too.


  • #4495
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I find it hard to believe that Glynn can't pinpoint where these cases are coming from. They didn't just appear out of thin air.


  • #4496
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,180 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Gavan is right here. We're a great country for bringing in new measures instead of actually enforcing ones that are already in place. Whether Gardai have told government that they don't have the resources to enforce or could only move people on is another issue. That said Gardai seemed to have no issues giving out fines to students drinking on the streets for RAG week.


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1328367972587597827


  • #4497
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    As someone posted today Dublin has had restrictions since March with no break. No other country has had that level of restrictions for that long, not even close to it. People need a break, they are fed up with it.


  • #4498
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Glynn - The positive trajectory in preventing the spread of the virus has at best stalled.

    Later says - Can't pinpoint exactly where the issues are occurring, no one thing causing this (I find that hard to believe)


  • #4499
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Glynn - The positive trajectory in preventing the spread of the virus has at best stalled.

    Later says - Can't pinpoint exactly where the issues are occurring, no one thing causing this (I find that hard to believe)
    They absolutely know what it is but won't say. Why is Limerick so high today? Just random? Ridiculous.


  • #4500
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Gavan is right here. We're a great country for bringing in new measures instead of actually enforcing ones that are already in place. Whether Gardai have told government that they don't have the resources to enforce or could only move people on is another issue. That said Gardai seemed to have no issues giving out fines to students drinking on the streets for RAG week.


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1328367972587597827

    That was my whole point earlier today.

    The laws that they need are already there, just a case of actually enforcing the current ones. Problem solved


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  • #4501
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Always the pubs. Never the schools, universities, factories or hospitals. You ingenuously take one scenario in Dublin and then apply it to the rest of Ireland. Get ta f*ck.

    Spot on. We even had one poster on here a couple of days ago saying that the increase in the 5 day average was due to loads of Halloween parties taking place across the country.

    So far we have seen it blamed on and in no particular order, the young people, the hospitals, the meat factories, house parties, restaurants/pubs, Italian rugby fans, folk shopping, the border, nursing homes, the holy communions, the GAA celebrations, private households and now street parties but never ever the schools! Nothing to see there at all, folks! The virus seemingly can't exist in schools. It's great altogether!


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