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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #3752
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    If I was advising government I would suggest extending level 5 lockdown until 7 December.

    Moving to Level 2.5

    Bringing Christmas school holidays forward to 13 December

    This keeps the R below 1 with daily rates around 100 daily


  • #3753
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Don't start this again please.

    I wasn't starting anything!


  • #3754
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    We need a lockdown like March/April but instead we are trying a cake-and-eat-it Lockdown with schools open. In fairness this is the situation across Europe but the tide appears to be changing this week with schools closing in increasing numbers of countries.

    Ireland - NPHET and the politicians - will keep schools opened.

    Therefore level 5 for longer than it should be with the virus never really under control.

    The only countries which have closed schools are those with enormous infection rates. Quite rightly, governments across Europe have prioritised children over pubs and restaurants.


  • #3755
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    On Zara King's tweet. . . . There was always going to be a drop because fewer are at work.
    The question is to what level.

    Is it to a level where the economy can reopen?

    If not then in permanent Level 5 after December 1 with a brief respite with Level 3 for Xmas (which is basically Level 5 with bells & whistles).


  • #3756
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    political analyst wrote: »
    I wasn't starting anything!

    When you start with the most parents are working from home anyway so close the schools line you know what you're starting.

    Old ground.


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  • #3757
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,308 ✭✭✭gipi


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Holohan said in the press release that there is a significant number of outbreaks associated with workplaces and funerals.

    Funeral crowds are definitely increasing in my local area. The churches for the most part keep a control over the indoor attendance, but nobody can control the numbers outside who are congregating at the church, walking to the cemetery with the cortege, or sympathising with families (and social distancing is being ignored in a lot of situations).
    It's tough on the funeral directors who try their best to keep the families (and themselves) safe.


  • #3758
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The only countries which have closed schools are those with enormous infection rates. Quite rightly, governments across Europe have prioritised children over pubs and restaurants.

    We have very high infection rates.
    Don't kid yourself.


  • #3759
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    If I was advising government I would suggest extending level 5 lockdown until 7 December.

    Moving to Level 2.5

    Bringing Christmas school holidays forward to 13 December

    This keeps the R below 1 with daily rates around 100 daily

    Closing schools in the run up to Christmas would be a crazy decision. Highly likely that people would see it as an opportunity to visit friends relatives etc without the constraint of kids being in school. The kids don't vanish into thin air when they are not in school, you know


  • #3760
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    We have very high infection rates.
    Don't kid yourself.

    Well, the third lowest in Europe and falling numbers in hospital and ICU. Take a look at the data, open your mind a little bit. How do you think we could have falling hospitalisation numbers with the high infection rates that you claim exist?


  • #3761
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    titan18 wrote: »
    Stick to the restrictions. Lots of us are doing it and there's lots who aren't.


    Plenty of mini raves / major sessions happening all over if my IG feed is to be believed.


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  • #3762
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    Plenty of mini raves / major sessions happening all over if my IG feed is to be believed.

    Funny...

    I said this the other day and that it would happen at Christmas and I got patronising responses. People denying it's happening and that it will happen

    Some people don't live in the real world...


  • #3763
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    When you start with the most parents are working from home anyway so close the schools line you know what you're starting.

    Old ground.

    No, I don't know.


  • #3764
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Well, the third lowest in Europe and falling numbers in hospital and ICU. Take a look at the data, open your mind a little bit.

    It's not a competition.
    Each country is different.

    Other EU countries have higher rates, for sure, but they have health services to deal with those higher rates.

    South Korea only reopened schools when there was 1 case per MILLION people and then proceeded to close them again.


  • #3765
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    titan18 wrote: »
    Stick to the restrictions. Lots of us are doing it and there's lots who aren't.

    What the punishment for people though, nphet and the government will open **** all in December anyway. Where is the incentive to stick to the restrictions strictly.


  • #3766
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The only countries which have closed schools are those with enormous infection rates. Quite rightly, governments across Europe have prioritised children over pubs and restaurants.

    I find "prioritising children" to be good marketing and not much more.

    Kids will survive and adapt better than the adults and education should be low priority.


  • #3767
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    political analyst wrote: »
    Schools are not Covid hotspots.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/

    Yes it is, next two weeks will show but most students will be asymptomatic.

    Expect us to be back 1200 in another two weeks


  • #3768
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    titan18 wrote: »
    Stick to the restrictions. Lots of us are doing it and there's lots who aren't.

    Thats fine but what more can those who are sticking to the restrictions do?

    Nothing is the answer


  • #3769
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    What would be wise is to close schools early for Christmas, this will add 0.2 or 0.3 to the available R rate...

    It could be a case of close the schools, open the pubs for December

    open the schools in Jan and close the pubs!

    I could certainly foresee a scenario where schools close earlier to allow more retail to open, or people to travel. But not to open the fcuking pubs!


  • #3770
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    nofools wrote: »
    I find "prioritising children" to be good marketing and not much more.

    Kids will survive and adapt better than the adults and education should be low priority.

    The primary reason why kids are in school is so that there their parents are free to work at home.


  • #3771
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Jimson wrote: »
    Yes it is, next two weeks will show but most students will be asymptomatic.

    Expect us to be back 1200 in another two weeks

    It was a leading science journal that said schools are not Covid hotspots.


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  • #3772
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Thats fine but what more can those who are sticking to the restrictions do?

    Nothing is the answer

    Yes, but it's the people who are not sticking to them that are the issue. If everyone stuck to them, we'd be ok. I said the same at level 3. When you've plenty who think it doesn't apply to them cos they're special, we're fcuked.


  • #3773
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    The primary reason why kids are in school is so that there their parents are free to work at home.

    But working from home means no need for babysitters.


  • #3774
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Tony with a few more targeted blame comments this evening. “I’ll talk ****e about funerals and they won’t notice the spread going on in hospitals and nursing homes, let’s raise the level of guilt,shame and fear, and get the plebs fighting among each other“


  • #3775
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    political analyst wrote: »
    But working from home means no need for babysitters.

    So the younger primary school kids can mind themselves for 8 hours a day? Nice. I didn't get that memo.


  • #3776
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,855 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes after you making fun of people with mental health issues with your hanky comment. ****ty enough comment in fairness.

    Quote where ive ‘made fun’ of people with mental health issues ? ;)


  • #3777
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What the punishment for people though, nphet and the government will open **** all in December anyway. Where is the incentive to stick to the restrictions strictly.

    That seems like a very short-term and juvenile attitude tbh but it's also based on the incorrect assumption that NPHET and government don't want to ease restrictions. They both do but obviously only can if cases ease enough.


  • #3778
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    political analyst wrote: »
    It was a leading science journal that said schools are not Covid hotspots.

    Whats the difference between a school and a house party


  • #3779
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Strumms wrote: »
    Quote where ive ‘made fun’ of people with mental health issues ? ;)

    Crying in their hankies. I presume you didn't mean it in a bad way but came across a bit ****ty


  • #3780
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭prunudo


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Tony with a few more targeted blame comments this evening. “I’ll talk ****e about funerals and they won’t notice the spread going on in hospitals and nursing homes, let’s raise the level of guilt,shame and fear, and get the plebs fighting among each other“

    Its what he does best, he won't change his tune now.


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  • #3781
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Jimson wrote: »
    Whats the difference between a school and a house party

    You would hope there isn't a lot of kissing going on in classrooms


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