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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #3722
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Was their sesh street parties again in Dublin and Cork last night


    In Dublin anyway, it's alright though, the gardai have said 'nothing to see here'.


  • #3723
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Holohan said in the press release that there is a significant number of outbreaks associated with workplaces and funerals.


  • #3724
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Was their sesh street parties again in Dublin and Cork last night

    Hardly call people standing around outdoors a street party now.

    Personally I don't have a major issue with people standing out in the open and not on top of each other


  • #3725
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    A reminder that last Sunday we had 542 cases. It would be nice to see cases moving downwards again but today's number is not awful.


  • #3726
    AnniePowwa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭AnniePowwa


    So that's funerals added to the blame list now too but schools have to stay open no doubt about that


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  • #3727
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    It's the schools, schools and schools.

    NPHET are lying out their arses on schools as other countries (Greece, Germany, Czech Republic, US) are closing schools.
    You cannot have 1 million in buildings with no social distancing and no masks at lunch breaks and expect no response.

    We are going to spend longer in lockdown and/or at level 5.


  • #3728
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gav Reilly quick with the stats again. See below.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1328029221982248960?s=19


  • #3729
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Holohan said in the press release that there is a significant number of outbreaks associated with workplaces and funerals.

    Hospitals are workplaces.
    An average of 50 healthcare workers per day have tested positive over the past 2 weeks.
    They'll also have infected several patients (as the hospital numbers show).

    Maybe Holohan and NPHET should look after the workplaces that he has control over.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/almost-50-health-staff-a-day-test-positive-for-coronavirus-39747977.html


  • #3730
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,265 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Hardly call people standing around outdoors a street party now.

    Personally I don't have a major issue with people standing out in the open and not on top of each other

    Were they council workers street cleaning just taking breaks for a few drinks :rolleyes: I doubt they were keeping social distancing, why do so many have to meet up at once, what's wrong with just 3 or 4?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #3731
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    Fully expect us to be back to 1200 cases a day in another week or two with the schools been open.


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  • #3732
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    It's the schools, schools and schools.

    NPHET are lying out their arses on schools as other countries (Greece, Germany, Czech Republic, US) are closing schools.
    You cannot have 1 million in buildings with no social distancing and no masks at lunch breaks and expect no response.

    We are going to spend longer in lockdown and/or at level 5.

    Ironically this weeks numbers are mostly coming from infections which would have been seeded during mid term break.


  • #3733
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭prunudo


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1328027241058623492?s=09

    Richard Chambers with a thread on Tony Holahans comments this evening.


    Did he show any concern for the outbreaks in hospitals and care homes or is it just the general public who are at fault for numbers rising (and that really depends what metric you use to measure them)


  • #3734
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Jimson wrote: »
    Fully expect us to be back to 1200 cases a day in another week or two with the schools been open.

    You’re joking surely


  • #3735
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    It's the schools, schools and schools.

    NPHET are lying out their arses on schools as other countries (Greece, Germany, Czech Republic, US) are closing schools.
    You cannot have 1 million in buildings with no social distancing and no masks at lunch breaks and expect no response.

    We are going to spend longer in lockdown and/or at level 5.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/
    Data gathered worldwide are increasingly suggesting that schools are not hot spots for coronavirus infections, according to an article in the leading science journal Nature.

    In conclusions that tally with evidence presented by the Health Service Executive in relation to schools in Ireland, the Nature article finds that despite fears, Covid-19 infections have not surged as a result of the reopening of schools and childcare centres.

    It says the international evidence also shows that when outbreaks do occur, they mostly result in only a small number of people becoming ill.


  • #3736
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    It's the schools, schools and schools.

    NPHET are lying out their arses on schools as other countries (Greece, Germany, Czech Republic, US) are closing schools.
    You cannot have 1 million in buildings with no social distancing and no masks at lunch breaks and expect no response.

    We are going to spend longer in lockdown and/or at level 5.

    I thought they are aware Schools being open add to the R rate, but it is an accepted trade off to keep the economy and society functioning as much as possible.

    I think i read somewhere schools account for around 0.2/0.3 of the R rate.

    So we can't really get lower than that, it'll slow down the decline but we should still decline with it at a R rate of around 0.5/0.6 nationally, opening up all retail probably adds 0.2 and hospitality could add 0.4

    It's all about keeping R below 1.0 when we get to low base.

    We have to choose what parts of society are most important to us.


  • #3737
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    owlbethere wrote: »
    The Irish coronavirus group (they added on the UK too because of the North), there's people in that group saying they are testing positive for the virus again, months after the original infection.

    I don't know of these are reported officially as reinfections, but it looks as if reinfections is possible and is happening.

    We probably won't see a true representation or picture of reinfections due to all the measures to slow the spread of the virus but looks likes it's fairly real.

    It’s very hard to find facts and figures on reinfections. Seeing that all positive tests are officially recorded it should not be too hard for the health authorities in various countries to come up with the data on this. We keep hearing about reinfections but only in a anecdotal way.
    Where ar the actual verified statistics. I think the reason we are not seeing any official data suggests that if it is happening at all it must be very rare.


  • #3738
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Jimson wrote: »
    Fully expect us to be back to 1200 cases a day in another week or two with the schools been open.

    I doubt we will reach that high but it will level off at probably 300-400 cases per day with schools open.
    Truly awful if the situation retirned to 1000 cases per day at level 5 (which I do not see happening)


  • #3739
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    I thought they are aware Schools being open add to the R rate, but it is an accepted trade off to keep the economy and society functioning as much as possible.

    I think i read somewhere schools account for around 0.2/0.3 of the R rate.

    So we can't really get lower than that, it'll slow down the decline but we should still decline with it at a R rate of around 0.5/0.6 nationally, opening up all retail probably adds 0.2 and hospitality could add 0.4

    It's all about keeping R below 1.0 when we get to low base.

    We have to choose what parts of society are most important to us.

    What is whether schools open got to do with the economy? Many parents are working from home anyway.


  • #3740
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Strumms wrote: »
    You are the person quoting suicide rates in Japan and Korea, and other Asian countries not me...

    Yes after you making fun of people with mental health issues with your hanky comment. ****ty enough comment in fairness.


  • #3741
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    It's the schools, schools and schools.

    NPHET are lying out their arses on schools as other countries (Greece, Germany, Czech Republic, US) are closing schools.

    Schools are not closed in Germany or many parts of the US. And you say NPHET are lying? Infection rates in the Czech Republic and Greece are a multiple of ours and more drastic action was needed.

    In Ireland, infection rates fell for many consecutive days with schools being open.


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  • #3742
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    You’re joking surely

    Not whatsoever, with the schools been open and proper testing even day probably be closer to 5000 a day.


  • #3743
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    What would be wise is to close schools early for Christmas, this will add 0.2 or 0.3 to the available R rate...

    It could be a case of close the schools, open the pubs for December

    open the schools in Jan and close the pubs!


  • #3744
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Total for the week
    https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1328031042641547265?s=19


  • #3745
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Decent progress seen again this week.

    Cases 2,613 (887 less than last week)
    Reported deaths 34 ( one more than last week)

    In Hospital 249 (32 less than last week)
    In ICU 31 ( 9 less)


  • #3746
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    On current trajectory I think we are down to around 150 cases daily by 1 December, not a bad feat in fairness.

    Then we choose wisely our opening strategy


  • #3747
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    We need a lockdown like March/April but instead we are trying a cake-and-eat-it Lockdown with schools open. In fairness this is the situation across Europe but the tide appears to be changing this week with schools closing in increasing numbers of countries.

    Ireland - NPHET and the politicians - will keep schools opened.

    Therefore level 5 for longer than it should be with the virus never really under control.


  • #3748
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭prunudo


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1328031042641547265?s=19

    Thats how you report positively, nphet seem to think the constant downplaying of positive news is how they keep us on side.


  • #3749
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    What more do you think people can do?

    Stick to the restrictions. Lots of us are doing it and there's lots who aren't.


  • #3750
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    political analyst wrote: »
    What is whether schools open got to do with the economy? Many parents are working from home anyway.

    Don't start this again please.


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  • #3751
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    We need a lockdown like March/April but instead we are trying a cake-and-eat-it Lockdown with schools open. In fairness this is the situation across Europe but the tide appears to be changing this week with schools closing in increasing numbers of countries.

    Ireland - NPHET and the politicians - will keep schools opened.

    Therefore level 5 for longer than it should be with the virus never really under control.

    Schools are not Covid hotspots.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/


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