Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Loafing Oaf · 15-11-2020 03:46PM

Antares35 wrote: »

I ask this honestly without agenda, but how is it that the rest of Europe would appear to be crippled with covid, yet in Ireland, where people are generally not compliant,

Generalisation much? We reintroduced serious restrictions sooner than everybody else. Even if compliance is not all it might be we managed to stop the second wave in its tracks to a large extent

CIARAN_BOYLE · 15-11-2020 03:46PM

Antares35 wrote: »

I ask this honestly without agenda, but how is it that the rest of Europe would appear to be crippled with covid, yet in Ireland, where people are generally not compliant, we are patting ourselves on the back for how good our numbers are? Am I missing something?

We have or had higher restrictions then the rest of Europe. The fact that a lot of people aren't following them is irrelevant. A lot of people are. It means out toal level of lockdown is higher than somewhere with less restrictions but higher compliance.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 03:49PM

Antares35 wrote: »

I ask this honestly without agenda, but how is it that the rest of Europe would appear to be crippled with covid, yet in Ireland, where people are generally not compliant, we are patting ourselves on the back for how good our numbers are? Am I missing something?

We have had the longest lockdown in the whole of Europe.

Stheno · 15-11-2020 03:50PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

And we took action faster than anywhere else - closing restaurants in Dublin in mid September, for example. I don't think anywhere else in all of Europe had any restrictions as severe as that at that time.

That's right it seems to me that there is a cycle of exponential spread of about three to four months to when it peaks and drops so you get to low cases, ease up and then start from zero again essentially

Thats purely my own opinion tbh, but if you take March to June, then July to October it seems to fit and basically we d on that we might be back again the end of February/March

Germany just said this morning they expect another five months of severe restrictions which almost fits too

I might be completely wrong though

fits · 15-11-2020 03:50PM

Anyone know how long results are taking now? Family member tested at 12.30 today.

funnydoggy · 15-11-2020 03:53PM

fits wrote: »

Anyone know how long results are taking now? Family member tested at 12.30 today.

Hearing between 1 and 3 days!

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 03:53PM

fits wrote: »

Anyone know how long results are taking now? Family member tested at 12.30 today.

tomorrow night or tuesday morning latest

fits · 15-11-2020 04:01PM

Thanks. Really hope we get them tomorrow.

Strumms · 15-11-2020 04:28PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Suicide rates have seen big increases in Japan, Korea and other Asian countries, far more than died of this disease, if only someone told them to get on a zoom call rather than kill themselves.

Salads from takeaways now as well. You really are out of touch with the normal person.

I’m not concerned about Japan or Korea, I live in Ireland.

Covid has killed 1978 people so far in Ireland.

In 2019 there were 421 suicide deaths in Ireland.

We are only in November yet suicides in comparison to covid deaths of which there will be more are only in the region of 21%.

So by all means, keep bleating on about this disingenuous ‘suicide’ lark ( in Japan and Korea of all places) and forget about a virus that has the potential to be 6 to 7 times more deadly than suicide by December 31st .

hmmm · 15-11-2020 04:34PM

Antares35 wrote: »

I ask this honestly without agenda, but how is it that the rest of Europe would appear to be crippled with covid, yet in Ireland, where people are generally not compliant, we are patting ourselves on the back for how good our numbers are? Am I missing something?

From what I can see, the vast majority are doing their best to comply in this country. There's a number of countries now which are using their police to enforce restrictions, Germans are using water-cannons and anti-mask demonstrations etc.

eagle eye · 15-11-2020 04:45PM

niallo27 wrote:

We have had the longest lockdown in the whole of Europe.

Yes, thankfully we have lots of people with cop on doing the right thing and also forcing the government to make sensible decisions.

Jim_Hodge · 15-11-2020 04:52PM

Strumms wrote: »

I’m not concerned about Japan or Korea, I live in Ireland.

Covid has killed 1978 people so far in Ireland.

In 2019 there were 421 suicide deaths in Ireland.

We are only in November yet suicides in comparison to covid deaths of which there will be more are only in the region of 21%.

So by all means, keep bleating on about this disingenuous ‘suicide’ lark ( in Japan and Korea of all places) and forget about a virus that has the potential to be 6 to 7 times more deadly than suicide by December 31st .

Don't you know we shouldn't let facts ruin a story.

Of Irish interest.

Initial data from the National Self-Harm Registry indicates a 25% fall in the number of people attending hospitals because of self-harm in April, with the National Suicide Research Foundation adding that preliminary data also indicates no rise in suicides.

Speaking during a webinar organised by the NSRF, Dr Paul Corcoran presented data which he said showed no evidence of an increase in hospital presentations of self-harm

440Hertz · 15-11-2020 05:09PM

Japan has always had very serious issues with suicide, driven by social pressures including people literally dying from over working. It’s widely documented in all sorts of research, studies, documentaries etc and is an known issue.
Korea for whatever reason, has the highest suicide rate in the world, over 2X Ireland.

Culturally and socially they are extremely different from here in many respects and there’s no real way of drawing direct comparison. They’re also countries with absolutely vast, often very anonymous urban areas. Tokyo alone has a population of over 24 million. Removing access to public spaces or expecting people to work from home in somewhere like that is hugely different to Ireland (or countries like the USA, Canada or Australia and NZ etc)

https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/suicide-rates.htm

Personally, I wouldn’t use them as a model for predicting social outcomes anywhere in this part of the world as they’re just not comparable, across a whole range of issues.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 05:15PM

Strumms wrote: »

I’m not concerned about Japan or Korea, I live in Ireland.

Covid has killed 1978 people so far in Ireland.

In 2019 there were 421 suicide deaths in Ireland.

We are only in November yet suicides in comparison to covid deaths of which there will be more are only in the region of 21%.

So by all means, keep bleating on about this disingenuous ‘suicide’ lark ( in Japan and Korea of all places) and forget about a virus that has the potential to be 6 to 7 times more deadly than suicide by December 31st .

It was you that brought up the mental health topic not me.

Steve012 · 15-11-2020 05:21PM

This anti sars 2 Nasal spray looks very promising!!, could be a game changer, like the AZD1222.

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/could-nasal-spray-prevent-coronavirus-transmission

owlbethere · 15-11-2020 06:17PM

The Irish coronavirus group (they added on the UK too because of the North), there's people in that group saying they are testing positive for the virus again, months after the original infection.

I don't know of these are reported officially as reinfections, but it looks as if reinfections is possible and is happening.

We probably won't see a true representation or picture of reinfections due to all the measures to slow the spread of the virus but looks likes it's fairly real.

manniot2 · 15-11-2020 06:18PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The Irish coronavirus group (they added on the UK too because of the North), there's people in that group saying they are testing positive for the virus again, months after the original infection.

I don't know of these are reported officially as reinfections, but it looks as if reinfections is possible and is happening.

We probably won't see a true representation or picture of reinfections due to all the measures to slow the spread of the virus but looks likes it's fairly real.

Or these tests are bollox

wadacrack · 15-11-2020 06:19PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The Irish coronavirus group (they added on the UK too because of the North), there's people in that group saying they are testing positive for the virus again, months after the original infection.

I don't know of these are reported officially as reinfections, but it looks as if reinfections is possible and is happening.

We probably won't see a true representation or picture of reinfections due to all the measures to slow the spread of the virus but looks likes it's fairly real.

Are these people suffering from symptoms on both occasions?

owlbethere · 15-11-2020 06:27PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Are these people suffering from symptoms on both occasions?

From what I read today from one poster - had covid back in March, and suffered with long covid. Showed symptoms again recently and they have a child in school who was showing symptoms. Child tested positive as did she.

The other poster had symptoms of flu back in the spring and test positive for the virus, developed long long covid, tested again recently because child was showing symptoms and tested positive, this time no symptoms but still suffering from long covid.

It's a mixed bag from the group.

redarmy · 15-11-2020 06:29PM

One more person has died with #COVID19.

378 new cases confirmed.

normanoffside · 15-11-2020 06:31PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The Irish coronavirus group (they added on the UK too because of the North), there's people in that group saying they are testing positive for the virus again, months after the original infection.

I don't know of these are reported officially as reinfections, but it looks as if reinfections is possible and is happening.

We probably won't see a true representation or picture of reinfections due to all the measures to slow the spread of the virus but looks likes it's fairly real.

We had 29 denotifications yesterday.
The test is so sensitive that it keeps picking up dead virus months after infection, people who test positive a 2nd time like this have their 'case' denotified after data is verified.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1327689152587063301

Deeper Blue · 15-11-2020 06:32PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The Irish coronavirus group (they added on the UK too because of the North), there's people in that group saying they are testing positive for the virus again, months after the original infection.

I don't know of these are reported officially as reinfections, but it looks as if reinfections is possible and is happening.

We probably won't see a true representation or picture of reinfections due to all the measures to slow the spread of the virus but looks likes it's fairly real.

Do you have a link to that study?

Russman · 15-11-2020 06:32PM

Antares35 wrote: »

I ask this honestly without agenda, but how is it that the rest of Europe would appear to be crippled with covid, yet in Ireland, where people are generally not compliant, we are patting ourselves on the back for how good our numbers are? Am I missing something?

As a follow on to this, for those that push the “open up and let people carry on” agenda, is there any reason why we wouldn’t end up like Belgium, Italy, the US etc if we did that ? What makes us special ?

I’m genuinely curious if people think it wouldn’t happen here just, well, because, or if they’d rather we got to Belgium-like levels of being overrun before we took action ?
Or do we just view everything through the narrow prism of our own individual circumstances rather than as a society ?

JP Liz V1 · 15-11-2020 06:32PM

Was their sesh street parties again in Dublin and Cork last night

Gael23 · 15-11-2020 06:32PM

redarmy wrote: »

One more person has died with #COVID19.

378 new cases confirmed.

Still too much but buy in just not there

wadacrack · 15-11-2020 06:33PM

Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, said:

"The average daily 5 day case count is rising and is now over 400 per day. This is a worrying development which has persisted for the last few days. We are seeing a number of things which concern us. There are examples of small numbers of people congregating for social purposes and simply ignoring the important public health messages. They are putting our collective progress at risk.

"We are also seeing number of outbreaks across the country. These include outbreaks in association with funerals. We understand that this is a difficult time for families but it is really important that we do everything we can to avoid the circumstances which promote transmission of the virus.

"There have also been outbreaks associated with workplace settings. As we head into a new working week, we need stay at home other than for essential reasons and for personal exercise within 5km. Anyone who can work from home, should work from home."

stephenjmcd · 15-11-2020 06:33PM

124 in Dublin, 34 in Donegal, 23 in Louth, 19 in Cork, 19 in Limerick and the remaining 159 cases are spread across 20 other counties

KrustyUCC · 15-11-2020 06:34PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Still too much but buy in just not there

What more do you think people can do?

Strumms · 15-11-2020 06:34PM

niallo27 wrote: »

It was you that brought up the mental health topic not me.

You are the person quoting suicide rates in Japan and Korea, and other Asian countries not me...

Antares35 · 15-11-2020 06:35PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Generalisation much? We reintroduced serious restrictions sooner than everybody else. Even if compliance is not all it might be we managed to stop the second wave in its tracks to a large extent

I really don't think we have been compliant, certainly not from what I've seen and heard. Introduction of restrictions doesn't mean anything unless they are abided by and enforced.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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