Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

prunudo · 15-11-2020 01:04PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You do realise at the 7 day rate we are at now it could take over 25 years to reach 70% herd immunity. I do agree with the rest of your post.

Agree, probably should rephrase, i don't mean full on herd immunity, but surely it makes sense to allow a certain amount of natural immunity. Both to covid and other infections.

Away With The Fairies · 15-11-2020 01:05PM

AdamD wrote: »

This idea that its better to push people indoors is hilarious. People are going to socialise, its pretty clear the government can't stop that. So continuing to ban things like takeaway pints would merely push the socialising indoors and cause more issues. Head in the sand stuff.

I've been saying this since the beginning, they have to encourage outdoor activities, because people are socialising and will continue to do so.

There's no encouraging outdoor activities when it comes to this virus. Not in Ireland.

I talked about walking out of a job back in the summer because I didn't feel safe. No face masks and little distancing.

The same workplace had outdoor seating which they locked away because apparently it was better to be inside spaced out sitting in your box, not a medically sealed box but just a box taped on the floor!

I'm convinced the HSE wants this virus to spread because their advice and measures have been absolutely crap.

Thierry12 · 15-11-2020 01:14PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Yet deaths in nursing homes happened in February, March at a high rate within a short time period.

Yes exponential growth

In mid June we had 7 cases a day in mid October 1017 cases a day

It was left to build up almost unchecked in late summer and autumn here, like we had last Winter

It doubled every 2-3 weeks to reach that 1000+ cases

s1ippy · 15-11-2020 01:15PM

MOR316 wrote: »

I reckon being a mammy to a few kids, approaching middle age and juggling three jobs for her employer might explain the tiredness part

Yeah clearly you know more about Claire Byrne's mental state and physical health than the woman herself.

You should probably get that checked.

road_high · 15-11-2020 01:21PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah clearly you know more about Claire Byrne's mental state and physical health than the woman herself.

You should probably get that checked.

Well having watched a few of her programmes you really would have to wonder about her

blade1 · 15-11-2020 01:22PM

prunudo wrote: »

Could easily be down to the lifestyle that goes with the music industry. All the partying, travelling, long hours on the road away from routine takes its toll on the body. He might not have underlying conditions but thats not to say he had a healthy life either.

If that's the case a lot more would be in trouble.

MOR316 · 15-11-2020 01:24PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah clearly you know more about Claire Byrne's mental state and physical health than the woman herself.

You should probably get that checked.

Grab a spoon...You'll know what to do

wakka12 · 15-11-2020 01:26PM

prunudo wrote: »

Could easily be down to the lifestyle that goes with the music industry. All the partying, travelling, long hours on the road away from routine takes its toll on the body. He might not have underlying conditions but thats not to say he had a healthy life either.

I think it's over analysing, deaths and serious illness among the under 50's is very rare even though there are thousands who are obese, alcoholic, diabetic, drug addicated, hypertensive etc. More than likely he's just very unlucky

prunudo · 15-11-2020 01:28PM

blade1 wrote: »

If that's the case a lot more would be in trouble.

Maybe they haven't been infected, maybe they have stronger immune systems, maybe he got a larger viral infection. There's so many unknowns with this virus. While i understand that underlying conditions play a part, when I see reports of a young seemingly healthy person in a bad way with it, I'm always sceptical of the story without knowing the full story.

Strumms · 15-11-2020 01:59PM

440Hertz wrote: »

It would seem far more likely that the issues are people congregating indoors as temperatures drop and it gets wetter, windier and generally less pleasant.

If you take something like eating outside, right now in Ireland that's more or less impossible a lot of days where it's too wet, windy and cold and that's going to get worse until March.

In most of Europe it's far too cold to sit outside from now until spring, varying from unpleasant to downright dangerous if you get into the Nordic areas and Central Europe as it starts to get closer to December. The same applies to most of the continental United States and Canada.

I mean, yeah we'll get a few good days here and there, but the last week for example in Cork has just been completely unpredictable and often persistently raining. Even going for a walk can be a bit off putting at the moment.

Agreed So you just cut you cloth to meet your measure...

Don’t congregate indoors.

When weather is bad, Use Skype, facebook, zoom, WhatsApp to communicate and interact with others. A good day, go to your local park, have a socially distanced picnic, a kickabout, whatever...

From now on its going to be hard, weather is fast closing in so people just have to accept that for the next three and a half months or thereabouts it’s going to be difficult. Socially different and difficult..it’s the middle of a pandemic.

Pubs, restaurants, standard takeaways, all doing takeout - Asian, Italian, chippers, Indian... so just get onto the fact that technology is going to be bringing us together.

Stheno · 15-11-2020 02:11PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I don't understand why my post was deleted.

Just to reiterate, I think it's worth mentioning that downplaying the experience that Claire Byrne shared as "mom and work" tiredness issues and not covid like she claims (or an opportunity to sell a book?), and blaming Jeremih's partying lifestyle as an explanation as to why he's on a ventilator is completely reprehensible.

Clearly whatever I said about the posters getting a bit of perspective instead of downplaying and blaming the experience of victims of covid was worth censoring but the opinions above are fine to express.

Not sure if I should PM a mod instead of putting this in the thread, but my post has just been disappeared with no note so I don't know who to ask about this, apologies in advance if it's not the right thing to do.

Pm a mod.

bodhrandude · 15-11-2020 02:18PM

Strumms wrote: »

Agreed So you just cut you cloth to meet your measure...

Don’t congregate indoors.

When weather is bad, Use Skype, facebook, zoom, WhatsApp to communicate and interact with others. A good day, go to your local park, have a socially distanced picnic, a kickabout, whatever...

From now on its going to be hard, weather is fast closing in so people just have to accept that for the next three and a half months or thereabouts it’s going to be difficult. Socially different and difficult..it’s the middle of a pandemic.

Pubs, restaurants, standard takeaways, all doing takeout - Asian, Italian, chippers, Indian... so just get onto the fact that technology is going to be bringing us together.

Or not, I remember during the first lockdown there was streaming problems in loads of sites, Netflix and Youtube included. It seemed everyone was online at the one time and streaming companies had to increase their bandwidth. Didn't some of the streaming sites increase their prices too because of this.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 02:23PM

Strumms wrote: »

Agreed So you just cut you cloth to meet your measure...

Don’t congregate indoors.

When weather is bad, Use Skype, facebook, zoom, WhatsApp to communicate and interact with others. A good day, go to your local park, have a socially distanced picnic, a kickabout, whatever...

From now on its going to be hard, weather is fast closing in so people just have to accept that for the next three and a half months or thereabouts it’s going to be difficult. Socially different and difficult..it’s the middle of a pandemic.

Pubs, restaurants, standard takeaways, all doing takeout - Asian, Italian, chippers, Indian... so just get onto the fact that technology is going to be bringing us together.

Just because its easy for you to accept doesn't mean its easy for others or that others have interest in zoom calls, I mean that zoom, Skype stuff got old very quick. On your point of takeaways, its driving obesity levels higher which is one of the main underlying condition that covid thrives on.

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 02:26PM

There is zero, I repeat, zero comparison between using technology and being in person.

Source: I’m in full time online university, studying technology.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-11-2020 02:36PM

We can't post what every other country is going through atm (apart from China - China strong) but there is a reason things are as they are with regard to restrictions that NOBODY wants. We don't want to end up like this. Our goal as a country has to be to avoid chaos in our health system.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1327481868200124416

And we are doing a good job - best in Europe actually. But that won't last if we don't accept that the restrictions are needed because without them it will spread like wildfire through this population and we won't be able to cope. It's as simple as that. We just won't.

I posted a paper from Goldman Sachs about the correlation between reducing temperature and growth in cases and it's absolutely undeniable that we face serious challenges this winter. I'll find it and post it again.

Loafing Oaf · 15-11-2020 02:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We can't post what every other country is going through atm (apart from China - China strong) but there is a reason things are as they are with regard to restrictions that NOBODY wants. We don't want to end up like this. Our goal as a country has to be to avoid chaos in our health system.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1327481868200124416

What does 'code' mean in this context? I presume they're not doing a bit of deathbed programming?

Stheno · 15-11-2020 02:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There is zero, I repeat, zero comparison between using technology and being in person.

Source: I’m in full time online university, studying technology.

Agreed

Since level 5 came in I've had one in person interaction with someone other than my OH and that was the nurse who gave me my flu jab

I work in IT and prior to this could and did work from home regularly and spent most of my days on video/conference calls, even in the office less than 20% of my time was in person meetings as we are a global team

I see it now with myself and other colleagues that frustration/loneliness is kicking in after eight months of no in person interaction

Plus although we are achieving more in terms of output than we did in the past, we all seem to be working more, commute time is now time for more meetings

Most of the time we're fine but there do seems to be odd days where collectively its " ah feck this ****"

Most of the people in my social circle and family live outside my county too, so the travel restrictions are the worst thing imo

I am hopeful that the end is in sight in the next few months though

15-11-2020 02:44PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

What does 'code' mean in this context? I presume they're not doing a bit of deathbed programming?

Code is slang for cardiac arrest, if you've ever watched a medical drama it's where an alarm goes off based on a patients vitals and they attempt to get the heart back to a normal rhythm. Normally by shocking the heart.

iamwhoiam · 15-11-2020 02:51PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

What does 'code' mean in this context? I presume they're not doing a bit of deathbed programming?

Cardio pulmonary arrest .It comes from having to call a code red when someone arrests and you need the resus team

Stheno · 15-11-2020 03:05PM

Jeez some of the responses are harsh"its your job" type stuff

wadacrack · 15-11-2020 03:08PM

https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1327976082600054786

Stheno · 15-11-2020 03:11PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1327976082600054786

Positivity appears to be slowly dropping from 20% to about 17% the past.few days

Strumms · 15-11-2020 03:11PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Level 3 plus household visit ban would have sufficed in my opinion to see out this wave.

Ireland’s economy is unfortunately far from ‘robust’. It is a small open economy relying heavily on foreign direct investment to function and maintain our standard of living. It is the most affected when a major economic event, eg. 2008 crash, and now Covid takes. place.
On top of this, we’ve allowed NPHET to dominate the airwaves with negativity daily. Holohan statement re ‘concern’ re 14 day case incidence yesterday which is really just about NPHET covering themselves.

In your opinion ? What expertise and qualification enables you outthink the experts ?

We have allowed NPHET to dominate the airwaves ? So you want NPHET - National Public Health Emergency Team... to have less ability to communicate with the public, during a national public health emergency the likes we’ve never seen in the history of the state ? Right, sound logic there :rolleyes:

Last I heard, article 40 of the constitution enables freedom of speech, the government need to enable experts like NPHET to do their jobs for the people of this country. Fûck anybody who thinks otherwise.

funnydoggy · 15-11-2020 03:11PM

Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755

SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy.

Crazy stuff :-|

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 03:29PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755

Crazy stuff :-|

It makes sense. Exponential growth from undetectable to detectable levels would take circa 13 weeks.

Strumms · 15-11-2020 03:29PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Just because its easy for you to accept doesn't mean its easy for others or that others have interest in zoom calls, I mean that zoom, Skype stuff got old very quick. On your point of takeaways, its driving obesity levels higher which is one of the main underlying condition that covid thrives on.

People need to accept it. It’s a pandemic. Got old ? fine, don’t use it, but then don’t be pissing and moaning that you can’t communicate with people and wibbling into your mental health hanky.

Takeaways in this pandemic are not driving obesity levels higher. You are truly the queen of misinformation

There are a host of restaurants and pubs selling varied takeaway meals which are healthy, very healthy... I know of four within walking distance here. there are literally hundreds if not thousands all over Dublin as an example doing the same. Healthy and delicious.

Antares35 · 15-11-2020 03:30PM

I ask this honestly without agenda, but how is it that the rest of Europe would appear to be crippled with covid, yet in Ireland, where people are generally not compliant, we are patting ourselves on the back for how good our numbers are? Am I missing something?

Stheno · 15-11-2020 03:32PM

Antares35 wrote: »

I ask this honestly without agenda, but how is it that the rest of Europe would appear to be crippled with covid, yet in Ireland, where people are generally not compliant, we are patting ourselves on the back for how good our numbers are? Am I missing something?

We never opened up to the same extent tbh

That's probably the big difference

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 03:44PM

Strumms wrote: »

People need to accept it. It’s a pandemic. Got old ? fine, don’t use it, but then don’t be pissing and moaning that you can’t communicate with people and wibbling into your mental health hanky.

Takeaways in this pandemic are not driving obesity levels higher. You are truly the queen of misinformation There are a host of restaurants and pubs selling varied takeaway meals which are healthy, very healthy... I know of four within walking distance here. there are literally hundreds if not thousands all over Dublin as an example doing the same. Healthy and delicious.

Suicide rates have seen big increases in Japan, Korea and other Asian countries, far more than died of this disease, if only someone told them to get on a zoom call rather than kill themselves.

Salads from takeaways now as well. You really are out of touch with the normal person.

MerlinSouthDub · 15-11-2020 03:45PM

Stheno wrote: »

We never opened up to the same extent tbh

That's probably the big difference

And we took action faster than anywhere else - closing restaurants in Dublin in mid September, for example. I don't think anywhere else in all of Europe had any restrictions as severe as that at that time.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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