Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Sonics2k · 14-11-2020 02:22PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

Man, when will you just step back and realize Trump has been lying to you for years now. Yeah it sucks, you're not a liberal and not a fan of the left, but Trump is not the conservative people have made him out to be. He's deceptive, he's incredibly selfish and doesn't care about the people of the US. At best he cares about his supporters, which is an awful thing in any leader.

We both know if he won this election he'd dismiss and never comment on the possibility of fraud, but now that he's lost he'll do anything to get more money. Hell, the fund he's set up to help with the legal costs isn't even going to the legal costs.

There's nothing wrong with admitting you made a mistake and backed the wrong guy, it's just being human.

y0ssar1an22 · 14-11-2020 02:26PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Biden and the Democrats produced a 100 page policy platform for their convention.

Trump and the Republicans produced a one pager that said their policy was whatever Trump says.

100 pages of nonsense.

raise corporation tax.

stop defending the southern boarder. how bonkers is that!

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

duploelabs · 14-11-2020 02:30PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

100 pages of nonsense.

raise corporation tax.

stop defending the southern boarder. how bonkers is that!

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

Cognative Bias much?

Cody montana · 14-11-2020 02:32PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

100 pages of nonsense.

raise corporation tax.

stop defending the southern boarder. how bonkers is that!

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

The monster.
Have you read the 100 pages?

Trump has run up 7 trillion in debt in only 4 years.
They have to do something.
Where did Biden say he'll stop defending the BORDER?

ExMachina1000 · 14-11-2020 02:33PM

VinLieger wrote: »

J+J have admitted that the one shot may not work and that a 2nd could be required down the line.

Also what you forgot to mention is the mRna vaccines are far easier to produce as they dont need to be cultivated. Since viral vector and protein based both need to be grown the scale and timeframe is far more complex and hardly any less a logistical issue than the storage of the Pfizer vaccine which can be created at a large scale far easier and faster.

Another thing is that yes Pfizers requires a -70 storage but Modernas mRna vaccine which will be delivering results soon only requires -4 so as usual you are being incredibly selective with your facts.

My facts?

I didn't mention moderna. I spoke about JandJ who are the world's biggest pharmaceutical company. You added in Moderna and brought the goal posts with you.

Pfizer vaccine needs 2 doses within 3 weeks and possibly booster shots inbetween. Coupled with unrealistic for most storage requirements it's not the most practical.

That is all

y0ssar1an22 · 14-11-2020 02:38PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Cognative Bias much?

not sure what that means. i googled it and am still non the wiser! who knows, maybe that the problem :P

those 3 points i made are true or not, surely that's the only thing that matters.

y0ssar1an22 · 14-11-2020 02:47PM

Cody montana wrote: »

The monster.
Have you read the 100 pages?

Trump has run up 7 trillion in debt in only 4 years.
They have to do something.
Where did Biden say he'll stop defending the BORDER?

trump was building a wall to stop illegal immigration. biden has said that wall will be no longer be built. if that's not an invitation i don't know what is

from his website:

End the so-called National Emergency that siphons federal dollars from the Department of Defense to build a wall

A wall is not a serious deterrent for sophisticated criminal organizations that employ border tunnels, semi-submersible vessels, and aerial technology to overcome physical barriers at the border

its grand though if you are not a sophisticated criminal organisation. Come on in guys!

astrofool · 14-11-2020 02:48PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

False, donny's administration implemented the policy:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556

If you want to be pedantic, the holding cells were built during the previous administration, but were not intended for dividing up families as trump ordered.

500+ kids are parentless right now with him directly responsible.

He's an as*hole of epic proportions.

astrofool · 14-11-2020 02:51PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

trump was building a wall to stop illegal immigration. biden has said that wall will be no longer be built. if that's not an invitation i don't know what is

from his website:

End the so-called National Emergency that siphons federal dollars from the Department of Defense to build a wall

A wall is not a serious deterrent for sophisticated criminal organizations that employ border tunnels, semi-submersible vessels, and aerial technology to overcome physical barriers at the border

its grand though if you are not a sophisticated criminal organisation. Come on in guys!

Walls are easily defeated by ladders, tunnels and angle grinders, there are ways to police the border, spaffing billions (intended for schools of military personnel) against a wall that doesn't work is incredibly dumb, but not surprising given how the whole administration has been a story of tweedle dum and tweedle dumber outdoing each other all the way through.

Cody montana · 14-11-2020 02:54PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

trump was building a wall to stop illegal immigration. biden has said that wall will be no longer be built. if that's not an invitation i don't know what is

from his website:

End the so-called National Emergency that siphons federal dollars from the Department of Defense to build a wall

A wall is not a serious deterrent for sophisticated criminal organizations that employ border tunnels, semi-submersible vessels, and aerial technology to overcome physical barriers at the border

its grand though if you are not a sophisticated criminal organisation. Come on in guys!

He has build 12 miles of NEW wall in 4 years.
3 miles a year.
Biden didn't say he doing to stop defending the border.
Stop making stuff up.

y0ssar1an22 · 14-11-2020 02:57PM

astrofool wrote: »

False, donny's administration implemented the policy:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556

If you want to be pedantic, the holding cells were built during the previous administration, but were not intended for dividing up families as trump ordered.

500+ kids are parentless right now with him directly responsible.

He's an as*hole of epic proportions.

then i understand incorrectly. are you saying biden was part of an administration that never separated kids from adults after crossing the border illegally?

14-11-2020 02:59PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

not sure what that means. i googled it and am still non the wiser! who knows, maybe that the problem :P

It simply refers to a bias in decision-making. It's a very broad term that covers many different sub-types, as shown below. I'd say the main one that Trumpists seem to be susceptible to is confirmation bias (number 7).

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto,w_728/v1555916687/shape/mentalfloss/cognitive_biases.png?itok=P3NDUz1D

y0ssar1an22 · 14-11-2020 02:59PM

astrofool wrote: »

Walls are easily defeated by ladders, tunnels and angle grinders, there are ways to police the border, spaffing billions (intended for schools of military personnel) against a wall that doesn't work is incredibly dumb, but not surprising given how the whole administration has been a story of tweedle dum and tweedle dumber outdoing each other all the way through.

i dunno, i think a wall is a pretty good deterrent to prevent illegal immigration.

what message do you think that sends out to illegals? be that the wall, or the defunding of it

y0ssar1an22 · 14-11-2020 03:00PM

Cody montana wrote: »

He has build 12 miles of NEW wall in 4 years.
3 miles a year.
Biden didn't say he doing to stop defending the border.
Stop making stuff up.

so there was a wall previously? if it dont work, i wonder why its there in the 1st place?

astrofool · 14-11-2020 03:01PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

then i understand incorrectly. are you saying biden was part of an administration that never separated kids from adults after crossing the border illegally?

I'm saying that in 2018 trump put in place the policy that caused lots of children to be separated from their parents, up till that point, no policy to separate children from their parents was in place.

trump then tried to blame this on the previous administration because they had built the holding cells in an attempt to not take the blame for removing lots and lots of children from their parents because he knows that is something that only a complete and utter as*hole would do, and as he had done it, everyone now knows that he is a complete and utter as*hole, so he tried to deflect it and some stupid people believe the deflection.

ExMachina1000 · 14-11-2020 03:32PM

astrofool wrote: »

I'm saying that in 2018 trump put in place the policy that caused lots of children to be separated from their parents, up till that point, no policy to separate children from their parents was in place.

trump then tried to blame this on the previous administration because they had built the holding cells in an attempt to not take the blame for removing lots and lots of children from their parents because he knows that is something that only a complete and utter as*hole would do, and as he had done it, everyone now knows that he is a complete and utter as*hole, so he tried to deflect it and some stupid people believe the deflection.

Do you think that there should be a border wall to deter illegal immigration?

robinph · 14-11-2020 03:41PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

so its alright for internal (to the US) sources to attempt to influence the public?

Correct.

But every country will also have their own regulations on how much an individual can donate towards political parties and how all those amounts need to be declared. A Russian company/ individual funding a US political party and their advertising, or using the likes of Cambridge Analitica to target people with specific disinformation advertising campaigns is not legal.

Leroy42 · 14-11-2020 03:42PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Do you think that there should be a border wall to deter illegal immigration?

Trump doesn't since he built so little new wall.

So the answer seems to be that a wall isn't that important.

Whilst there is no wall between Mexico and US, the opposite direction is also true. Yet, there doesn't seem to be the same issue. Why is that?

ExMachina1000 · 14-11-2020 03:44PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Trump doesn't since he built so little new wall.

So the answer seems to be that a wall isn't that important.

Whilst there is no wall between Mexico and US, the opposite direction is also true. Yet, there doesn't seem to be the same issue. Why is that?

Thanks for that but I was asking the other poster if he believes in the use of walls for border crossing control.

Guy:Incognito · 14-11-2020 03:45PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

so there was a wall previously? if it dont work, i wonder why its there in the 1st place?

Do you genuinely know nothing about america beyond the words in whatever trump says or are you pretending to know nothing?

Inquitus · 14-11-2020 03:57PM

The USA only gave Pfizer a promise to buy $1.95bn worth of the vaccine if it passed trials and was successful. Pfizer were not part of operation Warp Speed, Pfizer took on all risk of developing the drug and only received funding from the German Government. Trump as usual is a liar, a needless lie that just poisons the well of Pfizers good will!

Cody montana · 14-11-2020 04:02PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

so there was a wall previously? if it dont work, i wonder why its there in the 1st place?

What?

Boggles · 14-11-2020 04:07PM

He is up

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327619654592892931

RasTa · 14-11-2020 04:07PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

No. The link you posted even stated this.

Inquitus · 14-11-2020 04:15PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

No they received a promise to buy Vaccine if development was successful, they assumed all risk themselves and took no money from the USA to fund development.

alchemist33 · 14-11-2020 04:24PM

The battle for Georgia is going to be absolutely brutal. I wonder if some of these seemingly frivolous lawsuits Trump is instigating (in other states, I know) are partly preparation

Inquitus · 14-11-2020 04:35PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

The battle for Georgia is going to be absolutely brutal. I wonder if some of these seemingly frivolous lawsuits Trump is instigating (in other states, I know) are partly preparation

Trump needs to flip 3 states PA, AZ and GA, to his side, in order to win. It is next to impossible to see this happening the Biden margins are as follows:

PA - 63K (outside of recount range)
AZ - 10K
GA - 14K

astrofool · 14-11-2020 04:46PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Do you think that there should be a border wall to deter illegal immigration?

Do you think the billions spent by the trump administration on replacing the current wall was money well spent?

A lot of the border has no wall or fence at all, do you think they should spend billions adding fencing and walls to those locations?

Majority of immigration happens across border crossing with roads, should a wall be erected over the road?

What do you believe the correct mix of patrol/fence/wall should be on the US border? Is it mostly wall as trump has done (and failed) or something else?

Do you think that children should be separated from their parents?

I think the trump administration spending billions on walls was really dumb, like one of the stupidest wastes of money in a country that already wastes a lot off money on stupid things, and much more could be achieved at much less cost by engaging properly with Mexico, working out a bipartisan immigration strategy, and having fencing and patrols in place.

everlast75 · 14-11-2020 04:58PM

astrofool wrote: »

Do you think the billions spent by the trump administration on replacing the current wall was money well spent?

A lot of the border has no wall or fence at all, do you think they should spend billions adding fencing and walls to those locations?

Majority of immigration happens across border crossing with roads, should a wall be erected over the road?

What do you believe the correct mix of patrol/fence/wall should be on the US border? Is it mostly wall as trump has done (and failed) or something else?

Do you think that children should be separated from their parents?

I think the trump administration spending billions on walls was really dumb, like one of the stupidest wastes of money in a country that already wastes a lot off money on stupid things, and much more could be achieved at much less cost by engaging properly with Mexico, working out a bipartisan immigration strategy, and having fencing and patrols in place.

It was always the message of building the wall, rather than doing anything about immigration.

There was no immigration reform, no aid or assistance to go to the areas to prevent them from needing to leave. You could tell that everytime it was politically convenient, FOX would bang on about the caravans coming.

Obama's manner of dealing with immigration worked.

All the facts and figures supplied by Trump were lies.

Ffs - if building the wall was so important why, when Banon was lifted for scamming people donating to it, was Trump not slating him?

It is all a big con.

Build the wall!
Mexico will pay for it!

All absolute paranoia inspiring distraction nonsense.

dasdog · 14-11-2020 04:59PM

Inquitus wrote: »

No they received a promise to buy Vaccine if development was successful, they assumed all risk themselves and took no money from the USA to fund development.

The stable genius disagrees:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327638502280925184?s=20

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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