Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

France the standout in Europe today, reporting 932 new deaths and 24,000 new cases.


https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1327369434315558914


Only the constant applied pressure of restrictions can prevent a blowout of cases across the continent - this is why it is vital the toughest restrictions remain until a vaccine is widely distributed - i'm thinking the latter half of Spring, if lucky.

Stheno wrote: »

So these people could then become persistent sources of infection within the health environment and the vicious cycle continues?

Especially if they are asymptomatic? And given the if one is a HCW, they may feel a sense of duty to go into work if required to do so, is this not the makings of a.perfect storm?

They are tested though. I saw this happen in my workplace. Someone was positive, four other people were identified as potential close contacts. They left work and isolated until they had a negative PCR test. They were allowed return to work after a negative result due to a derogation as they had no symptoms. They had to take their temperature hourly and log it, and if was above a certain amount they had to leave work. They had a second PCR test at day seven. Thankfully again, all were negative.

To be honest, it was essential that they come back if negative, as we couldn't run properly with that many people gone. All of us knew the situation and were ultra cautious about any interactions. We all wear masks all the time anyway, but we limited the amount of people in the labs at any one time.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

France the standout in Europe today, reporting 932 new deaths and 24,000 new cases.


https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1327369434315558914


Only the constant applied pressure of restrictions can prevent a blowout of cases across the continent - this is why it is vital the toughest restrictions remain until a vaccine is widely distributed - i'm thinking the latter half of Spring, if lucky.

Level 5 until a vaccine? Yeah as much as you might want that it ain't happening for very obvious reasons

gigantic09 wrote: »

Was around town at lunchtime yesterday. Large gangs of school kids hanging around outside various shops. They were huddled together like a colony of penguins in a David Attenborough documentary. Some were wearing masks but alot seemed to put them back in the pockets once they came out of shops. Hadn't really witnessed this before but assume its an every day occurrence. To be honest it's sickening that half the country is forced to close down yet this is happening, its rubbing people's noses in it and making a joke of our whole covid plan of action.

Yep, came out of work at half seven this evening, and a gang of dolled up teenage girls were waiting to get onto a Luas. Clearly off to some kind of social event. There were lots of people waiting at the Luas stops, as well, and very few of them seemed like workers heading home. I'm guessing a lot of 15-25 year olds still think they don't have any part to play in containing this pandemic.

Deleted User wrote: »

A blowout of cases is the key word there though.

Only small numbers dying. And generally the very elderly with multiple underlying conditions.

Restrictions are only really causing social and economic harm.

To be fair the number of deaths is not small at all least of all in the case of France, 7000 French people have died in the last two weeks with COVID

In an average fortnight 24,000 French people die. To call that a small number of deaths is pretty shocking statement!

If we have vaccines with 90% effectiveness which are due to become widely available, we don't need zero Covid any more - that was a strategy for long-term suppression of the virus where a vaccine was uncertain. We need to get ourselves to the vaccine finishing line with as few unnecessary deaths and suffering as possible. That's probably going to be Level 3 for a few months. People need a bit of patience, and the government needs to keep the chequebook out.

If we got to (say) mid-Summer and most restrictions are lifted, can you imagine how busy the travel and hospitality industries will be for the rest of the year?

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Limerick hospital has a good few staff out with Covid

188 ...affecting elective general admissions there .

I’d say workplaces will be encouraged to go back to a ‘staggered’ normalization. Say 70% remaining at home 30% in the office.

Same for social events, pubs and cinemas might get the go ahead a few months before gigs.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Probably one to worry about later, but I’d love to understand what the “end game” might look like. Let’s say by some miracle we’re all vaccinated by mid summer, or at least all >65 and vulnerable are, but the vaccine results in a 90% reduction in severe cases as opposed to full immunity. When do we ramp down testing?

I would guess myself that we'll see another wave of cases build in the new year, but it will be competing with vaccines, rapid home/office testing and possibly an extended level 3 lockdown so should not reach that same threat of overwhelming the hospitals.

That will allow track and trace really come into its own, and possibly you might see a similar ring vaccination strategy to Ebola where if you are a close contact you get vaccinated, along with your own close contacts. That will allow us to step down the Levels as outbreaks become more isolated and easier to trace.

Eventually then hopefully we get broad population herd immunity which will effectively end the virus on the island and most of the richer parts of the world. I know the anti-vaxxers don't like it, but I expect you will require a vaccination cert or a recent negative test to travel and to do a lot of other day-to-day activities.

Cork2021 wrote:

It’s just beggars belief that some people think level 5 can just keep going on and on until we all get vaccinated or COVID burns out. We’d be in a depression not a recession. Just imagine the impact on people’s lives from losing their job or business...... not worth bearing thinking about. It’s bleak

And what about the impact on people of losing their lives?

GT89 wrote: »

This man is hero pity there are not more like him. The guy in the high vis trying to force entry should be done for criminal damage.
https://twitter.com/LeahButlerSmith/status/1327299949424480257?s=19

Yellow high vis guy, little hitler, imagine the type of people that apply for these COVID COMPLIANCE OFFICER jobs ?



Evil little sociopathic thugs.