Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

CruelSummer · 13-11-2020 07:22PM

polesheep wrote: »

Again!

Exactly, instead of keeping up regular testing of nursing home residents, NPHET reduce it to once a fortnight and then wonder how it got in there...nonsensical

1. Open up retail
2. Open up hairdressers and barbers
3. Level 2 for December.

If they don't do this now, there'll be huge crowds come December, many house parties with no controls. No-one is listening to the endless fearmongering of Dr Tony, George Lee & Tómas Ryan, McConkey, Staines, etc anymore..people have jobs to try and preserve and food to put on the table.

Don't even get me started on the amount of job cuts coming due to this...

Wolf359f · 13-11-2020 07:24PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You can't call it based off of kids because most of them are asymptomatic.
Cases in the home is what we have to look at. If cases in the home start growing then we have to look at the schools.

Are cases in the homes increasing? Did they decrease while schools were closed and are increasing now that schools are open? If people want to state an increase in cases is down to schools, it would be nice to have a reason backed up by some figures.

Now if the government decided to release figures of incidence rate in homes broken down by people living alone, multigenerational households and households with school age children. Then if you see an increase in incidence rate within households with children, while the rest reduce, that would be pretty definitive.

But it looks like we're back to schools causing the spread again. Donegal must have an aweful lot of schools.

Zebra3 · 13-11-2020 07:24PM

polesheep wrote: »

If it's back in the nursing homes via the hospitals heads have to roll.

Not in Ireland.

Just blame the plebs.

JP100 · 13-11-2020 07:28PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'm sure he knows that but if he spoke out about it he would cause a massive right between NPHET and the government, which is determined to keep the schools open come what may.

As a public health doctor, honesty should inform everything he does not second guessing what people may think of said honesty.

eagle eye · 13-11-2020 07:29PM

Wolf359f wrote:

Now if the government decided to release figures of incidence rate in homes broken down by people living alone, multigenerational households and households with school age children. Then if you see an increase in incidence rate within households with children, while the rest reduce, that would be pretty definitive.

Cases in the home dropped sharply during this lockdown. If they go back up again now can you give me reasons why this would happen?

gigantic09 · 13-11-2020 07:30PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

The plan is so schools can stay open. Theres no one in control of them (secondary mostly) once they leave the school property.

I know there isn't. The is however cops on the roads questioning people on their travel plans and such nonsense. It's a joke.

brighterspark · 13-11-2020 07:33PM

gigantic09 wrote: »

Was around town at lunchtime yesterday. Large gangs of school kids hanging around outside various shops. They were huddled together like a colony of penguins in a David Attenborough documentary. Some were wearing masks but alot seemed to put them back in the pockets once they came out of shops. Hadn't really witnessed this before but assume its an every day occurrence. To be honest it's sickening that half the country is forced to close down yet this is happening, its rubbing people's noses in it and making a joke of our whole covid plan of action.

I find your view very hard to understand - our young people taking their masks off when in the open air - what is the problem with that? They have been cooped up all day with masks on in class. They are meeting their friends in the fresh air (far safer than someones house) where they have to put up with the dirty looks and finger pointing from people with little else to be doing! This attitude is driving our young people indoors the opposite of what everyone wants!

Indeed many experts have stated that masks outdoors make little difference.

is_that_so · 13-11-2020 07:35PM

polesheep wrote: »

If it's back in the nursing homes via the hospitals heads have to roll.

It might be but nursing homes need to be on their game too. Some of them were not in March.

JP100 · 13-11-2020 07:40PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Donegal must have an aweful lot of schools.

They have the same as anywhere else but they do share a very close and unique border situation with Northern Ireland. A place where the virus is completely out of control and where no doubt the schools are also playing a significant role in continuing to drive those numbers.

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 07:41PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1327318630019854338?s=19

gigantic09 · 13-11-2020 07:42PM

brighterspark wrote: »

I find your view very hard to understand - our young people taking their masks off when in the open air - what is the problem with that? They have been cooped up all day with masks on in class. They are meeting their friends in the fresh air (far safer than someones house) where they have to put up with the dirty looks and finger pointing from people with little else to be doing! This attitude is driving our young people indoors the opposite of what everyone wants!

Indeed many experts have stated that masks outdoors make little difference.

Why then do we practice social distancing when we queue to enter a premises. Why are we not allowed attend outdoor sporting social events?. They're huddled together in large groups.lf this is considered safe then our whole approach to this virus is a joke.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 07:42PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s. The. Schools.

The infections among school going aged children are dropping though.

This is the 14 day average by age group up to what was released yesterday:

And Today:

mcburns07 · 13-11-2020 07:45PM

Please dont let science get in the way of that poster’s tantrum!

polesheep · 13-11-2020 07:47PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It might be but nursing homes need to be on their game too. Some of them were not in March.

I agree, but Jim mentioned residents transferred from hospital.

Funsterdelux · 13-11-2020 07:49PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Please dont let science get in the way of that poster’s tantrum!

Yeah, science.

Just ask the scientician

Jinglejangle69 · 13-11-2020 07:50PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s. The. Schools.

Stop with this condescending attitude to us here.

As if you know it all and we are all kids.

Spare us.

You're just waiting everyday to put up your

It's.the.schools.

Show us some evidence?

igCorcaigh · 13-11-2020 07:52PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1327318630019854338?s=19

Does that say 45 cases for yesterday November 12in Cork? 45 is today's case number?

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 07:54PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Cases in the home dropped sharply during this lockdown. If they go back up again now can you give me reasons why this would happen?

They actually didn't, it fluctuates every week, I could go back to the start of October and there still wouldn't be a visible trend.

There were 461 clusters in households in week 42 up to 17th October

There were 521 clusters in households in week 43 up to 24th October

There were 320 clusters reported in households in week 44 up to 31st October.

There were 443 clusters in households in week 45 up to 7th November.

igCorcaigh · 13-11-2020 07:56PM

If today's cases arr attributed to hospital clusters, why only an increase of 12?

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1327323762065334272?s=19

Loafing Oaf · 13-11-2020 07:59PM

JP100 wrote: »

As a public health doctor, honesty should inform everything he does not second guessing what people may think of said honesty.

Unfortunately medical people have to operate in the political sphere when it comes to the formation of national policy.

I'd say he and NPHET have made the calculation that it should be just about possible to suppress the virus down to the desired level with the schools staying open, if virtually everything else is done the way they want it. If he decided it wasn't possible, I reckon he would have chosen to die on that hill.

wadacrack · 13-11-2020 08:01PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

If today's cases arr attributed to hospital clusters, why only an increase of 12?

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1327323762065334272?s=19

12 hospitalizations mean people who required medical care in hospital. It has nothing to do with where the virus was picked up

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 08:01PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

If today's cases arr attributed to hospital clusters, why only an increase of 12?

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1327323762065334272?s=19

Hospital numbers have actually came down a lot there (wasn't it something like 285 earlier).

AFAIK 12 refers to the admissions of patients with Covid (there must have been more than 40 discharges); if you get it in the hospital having already been there you are not counted as a Covid admission.

I'd imagine if someone was in hospital for a routine (not life threatening) operation or treatment and then contracted Covid in hospital they would be sent home to recover if well enough.

boggerman1 · 13-11-2020 08:04PM

gigantic09 wrote: »

Was around town at lunchtime yesterday. Large gangs of school kids hanging around outside various shops. They were huddled together like a colony of penguins in a David Attenborough documentary. Some were wearing masks but alot seemed to put them back in the pockets once they came out of shops. Hadn't really witnessed this before but assume its an every day occurrence. To be honest it's sickening that half the country is forced to close down yet this is happening, its rubbing people's noses in it and making a joke of our whole covid plan of action.

Ffs let kids be kids.this crap of blaming everyone else is tiresome.the sooner financial reality kicks in here the better to rid us of the lockdown forever shower

boggerman1 · 13-11-2020 08:06PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Exactly, instead of keeping up regular testing of nursing home residents, NPHET reduce it to once a fortnight and then wonder how it got in there...nonsensical

1. Open up retail
2. Open up hairdressers and barbers
3. Level 2 for December.

If they don't do this now, there'll be huge crowds come December, many house parties with no controls. No-one is listening to the endless fearmongering of Dr Tony, George Lee & Tómas Ryan, McConkey, Staines, etc anymore..people have jobs to try and preserve and food to put on the table.

Don't even get me started on the amount of job cuts coming due to this...

Correct totally.i notice Mcdonkey has disappeared a bit since before mid term break

Non solum non ambulabit · 13-11-2020 08:13PM

It didn't take long for the close the schools brigade to reappear. They'll disappear again I'm sure when we return to daily decline.

Schools were closed for one week. The downward trend has been happening for several weeks. It continues today despite the small uptick in daily cases.

prunudo · 13-11-2020 08:26PM

I wouldn't fall into either extreme of what to do with the schools but it would be naive to think that they don't cause spread. Thats not to say they're a massive contributor to numbers but given the mixing before, during and after school there has to be some level of spread happening.
Now whether it is significantly different to when they are hanging around during the holidays or at weekends remains to be seen.

ElTel · 13-11-2020 08:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Certainly looks that way. HPSC data will be interesting for this week in terms of outbreak locations

I took a look through the weekly HCW reports from week 24 to week 41
The weeks number of HCW cases is always lower than the updated total from the previous week.

From wk25 to wk41 there is a difference of 300+ cases
98 of this total is from the last 2 weeks (50 in wk 40 and 48 in wk 41)

I though I might be able to see if any cases were added as a result of a HCW sero study someone linked here a while ago (I cant find it again

) which showed HCW with antibodies who never tested positive.

I know these figures are subject to change with suspected cases included and denotifications etc and the report dated 11th Aug actually had a table in it that updated the numbers but they showed only minor differences.

I don;t know where else to look for weekly reports 42,43 or 44

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19casesinhealthcareworkers/

The latest report in the link above is not a weekly report. It covers wk32 to wk45

This suggests 1361 HCW cases since the last weekly report (wk41) and states that there were 322 HCW cases in wk45

CIARAN_BOYLE · 13-11-2020 08:34PM

On my bus home from work there was a large group of teenagers ignoring the seating rules on the bus sitting in a cluster at the back of the bus. They were discussing a gaff party they were going to that night.

What I picked up was I guess it's better they are under control in schools rather than free range.

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 08:34PM

ElTel wrote: »

I took a look through the weekly HCW reports from week 24 to week 41
The weeks number of HCW cases is always lower than the updated total from the previous week.

From wk25 to wk41 there is a difference of 300+ cases
98 of this total is from the last 2 weeks (50 in wk 40 and 48 in wk 41)

I though I might be able to see if any cases were added as a result of a HCW sero study someone linked here a while ago (I cant find it again ) which showed HCW with antibodies who never tested positive.

I know these figures are subject to change with suspected cases included and denotifications etc and the report dated 11th Aug actually had a table in it that updated the numbers but they showed only minor differences.

I don;t know where else to look for weekly reports 42,43 or 44

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19casesinhealthcareworkers/

The latest report in the link above is not a weekly report. It covers wk32 to wk45

This suggests 1361 HCW cases since the last weekly report (wk41) and states that there were 322 HCW cases in wk45

Yeah I was looking for the report myself and the healthcare one seems to have not been published since week 32, it had been published weekly prior.

322 is very high for HCW for one week.

JP100 · 13-11-2020 08:43PM

normanoffside wrote: »

The infections among school going aged children are dropping though.

How many times does this need to be repeated, most children are asymptomatic but can pass it on to somebody else who is not asymptomatic, such is the chain of the virus.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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