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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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  • #4502
    imme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Fair enough, I was wrong about who released it first. I was listening to Mary Lou on the radio after the fact and didn't realise it.
    She was saying that care had to be taken in the approach to these things, or words to that effect.
    Core of my point still stands.

    But SF (officially) didn't release the result, Danny did.p
    What does she mean,care needs to be taken?

    SF people on here keep telling us the war is over,
    There is no more army council, if there ever was,

    The IRA is nothing more than an old boys club now,

    Whatever is left of the IRA isn't involved in any form of criminality.

    If the war has been over for 20 + years why the continued secrecy.


  • #4503
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Which funeral for Storey, the cremation or the burial?

    When a funeral notice says the deceased is going to a crematorium why would you be expecting a 'burial' Brendi?
    Cemetery: Roselawn Crematorium

    http://www.healybrothers.co.uk/obituaries/Storey_Bobby_21-June-2020


  • #4504
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    imme wrote: »
    But SF (officially) didn't release the result, Danny did.p
    What does she mean,care needs to be taken?

    SF people on here keep telling us the war is over,
    There is no more army council, if there ever was,

    The IRA is nothing more than an old boys club now,

    Whatever is left of the IRA isn't involved in any form of criminality.

    If the war has been over for 20 + years why the continued secrecy.

    Can you not read your own link?
    Danny Morrison, former publicity director for Sinn Fein, revealed the figures in a tweet.

    It said a number of party members had been contacted over the figures, which Sinn Fein refused to disclose after its ard fheis at the weekend.

    "Having looked at the matter and contacted both candidates and the director of elections we have taken the decision to release the figures,"


    I presume she was talking about persuading those reticent in the north to release the figures when they are used to not revealing internal party stuff. As I said it is a legacy issue or instinct.


  • #4505
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    When a funeral notice says the deceased is going to a crematorium why would you be expecting a 'burial' Brendi?



    http://www.healybrothers.co.uk/obituaries/Storey_Bobby_21-June-2020

    If i was told to go to a graveyard i would expect a burial.


  • #4506
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    joeguevara wrote: »
    If i was told to go to a graveyard i would expect a burial.

    If I was going to the funeral of a senior SF member and ex IRA member I would expect it to be like every other funeral of a senior SF member and ex IRA person and that there would be the customary oration at the republican plot in Roselawn Cemetery.
    If you went expecting a burial then you were not informed as the funeral notice clearly says that he was going to Roselawn Crematorium.


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  • #4507
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    joeguevara wrote: »
    If i was told to go to a graveyard i would expect a burial.

    Why?

    Their was a public announcement he was being cremated, and another one announcing a graveside oration for him at the ceremony.

    If you were expecting a burial, that would be because you didn't read the arrangements, hardly anyone elses fault there tbh.


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  • #4508
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If I was going to the funeral of a senior SF member and ex IRA member I would expect it to be like every other funeral of a senior SF member and ex IRA person and that there would be the customary oration at the republican plot in Roselawn Cemetery.
    If you went expecting a burial then you were not informed as the funeral notice clearly says that he was going to Roselawn Crematorium.

    Aologies, I don't go to many funerals of murderers, kneecappers, bank robbers etc so didn't know that there was a slot for propoganda.


  • #4509
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Aologies, I don't go to many funerals of murderers, kneecappers, bank robbers etc so didn't know that there was a slot for propoganda.

    Yeh, well I don't know many people who go around saying they were expecting a burial when it was clear there wasn't going to be one. And then keep on repeating it. Odd behaviour to say the least.

    There's a few people here who do.


  • #4510
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yeh, well I don't know many people who go around saying they were expecting a burial when it was clear there wasn't going to be one. And then keep on repeating it. Odd behaviour to say the least.

    There's a few people here who do.

    I actually think that there was not much wrong with Storey funeral. I was being glib in my last post and meant no disrespect. I was a bit shocked when i found out he was cremated and not buried but I am sure that everyone who was at it knew exactly that it was just easier to give the oration and probably more chance of social distancing.


  • #4511
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Why?

    Their was a public announcement he was being cremated, and another one announcing a graveside oration for him at the ceremony.

    If you were expecting a burial, that would be because you didn't read the arrangements, hardly anyone elses fault there tbh.


    IMG-20201113-152927.jpg

    Where does it say he is being cremated there? It says going to miltown plot for a short oration and then ceremony. It says nothing about cremation? Or am i missing it? Im being serious here.


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  • #4512
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Where does it say he is being cremated there? It says going to miltown plot for a short oration and then ceremony. It says nothing about cremation? Or am i missing it? Im being serious here.

    It said cremation in the death notice from the funeral directors, and doesn't mention a burial on the funeral arrangements above from the Shinners, just an oration, because I'd assume anyone who took the time and effort to ensure they were going to the funeral already knew of the cremation via the family notice issued via the funeral directors.


  • #4513
    Acosta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Do FG people seriously think that continuing to mention at any given opportunity a funeral that happened 6 months ago that they're convincing the people that voted for Sinm Fein in record numbers that they were wrong and will realise the error of their ways and vote FG next time around?


  • #4514
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    McMurphy wrote: »
    It said cremation in the death notice from the funeral directors, and doesn't mention a burial on the funeral arrangements above from the Shinners, just an oration, because I'd assume anyone who took the time and effort to ensure they were going to the funeral already knew of the cremation via the family notice issued via the funeral directors.

    If someone used the above to call someone out for not knowing there was a cremation and it didnt mention a cremation but mentioned a service in a cemetery, Id find that quite bizarre. Can you see that?


  • #4515
    joemurt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭joemurt


    The reason why Fine Gougers will never drop the disgusting funeral attack line is so no-one ever holds Varadkar to account for his actions during this pandemic.

    Going down to a crowded park to get pissed with his mates a week or two after his PR campaign dressed up as a doctor ''LeAdInG tHe nAtIOnS fIghT'' at the beginning of this crisis was the most irresponsible message anyone could have done while medical institutes were being over run with covid etc.

    And this is what Varadkar did. House parties, piss ups in towns and people taking off on holidays is what brought the second wave. Not people paying their respects, no matter how big or small a funeral was.

    Its an appalling smear against all people who had to grieve over the past year and it will come back to bite those low lives weaponizing it.

    All created by the Taoiseach, his advisers and his narcissism.

    Varadkar throws everybody under the bus so he doesn't have to put his hand up and take responsibility for his behaviour time and again. Sociopath.


  • #4516
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    joeguevara wrote: »
    If someone used the above to call someone out for not knowing there was a cremation and it didnt mention a cremation but mentioned a service in a cemetery, Id find that quite bizarre. Can you see that?

    Not really, the details I attached were issued following the family notice that already had the cremation details.

    Like I said, presumably anyone going to the funeral already knew their was going to be a cremation, and hence why the oration was held at the republican plot in the cemetery.

    I can see why some people would want it to seem bizzare, but then again we've had people on this thread purposely misrepresenting things and downright lying since it was started.


  • #4517
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,335 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    joemurt wrote: »
    The reason why Fine Gougers will never drop the disgusting funeral attack line is so no-one ever holds Varadkar to account for his actions during this pandemic.

    Going down to a crowded park to get pissed with his mates a week or two after his PR campaign dressed up as a doctor ''LeAdInG tHe nAtIOnS fIghT'' at the beginning of this crisis was the most irresponsible message anyone could have done while medical institutes were being over run with covid etc.

    And this is what Varadkar did. House parties, piss ups in towns and people taking off on holidays is what brought the second wave. Not people paying their respects, no matter how big or small a funeral was.

    Its an appalling smear against all people who had to grieve over the past year and it will come back to bite those low lives weaponizing it.

    All created by the Taoiseach, his advisers and his narcissism.

    Varadkar throws everybody under the bus so he doesn't have to put his hand up and take responsibility for his behaviour time and again. Sociopath.

    You unloaded a lot of untrue bile there, Coach.

    You don’t come across too well there, unfortunately.


  • #4518
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    You unloaded a lot of untrue bile there, Coach.

    You don’t come across too well there, unfortunately.

    At least he/she isn't going on about 'burials' that nobody ever said were going to happen, in order to get a dig in.


  • #4519
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,335 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    At least he/she isn't going on about 'burials' that nobody ever said were going to happen, in order to get a dig in.

    She was a fair splatther of dirt against the wall though Francie, none of it true.

    Do you back it all up, a chara ?


  • #4520
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    She was a fair splatther of dirt against the wall though Francie, none of it true.

    Do you back it all up, a chara ?

    Why not answer for your own splatther first Brendi?


  • #4521
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,335 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why not answer for your own splatther first Brendi?

    I only deal in facts, Francie, not rubbish like that.

    You don’t back it up yourself do you?


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  • #4522
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    I only deal in facts, Francie, not rubbish like that.

    You don’t back it up yourself do you?

    'Facts' as in this Brendi?
    Which funeral for Storey, the cremation or the burial?

    There was never to be a 'burial'. Do you accept that now?

    *If I wish to comment on or back up a post, I will.


  • #4523
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,335 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'Facts' as in this Brendi?



    There was never to be a 'burial'. Do you accept that now?

    *If I wish to comment on or back up a post, I will.

    Good stuff Francie, I take it from that, that like myself , we feel it’s rubbish.

    Don’t be afraid to get out of your entrenched time warp,a chara.

    Be good for the thread in the long run.


  • #4524
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,608 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Good stuff Francie, I take it from that, that like myself , we feel it’s rubbish.

    Don’t be afraid to get out of your entrenched time warp,a chara.

    Be good for the thread in the long run.

    Not man enough to sort out your own sphlatter and answer the question but well able to put words in the mouths of others.

    Thanks for that Brendi.


  • #4525
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    McMurphy wrote: »
    It said cremation in the death notice from the funeral directors, and doesn't mention a burial on the funeral arrangements above from the Shinners, just an oration, because I'd assume anyone who took the time and effort to ensure they were going to the funeral already knew of the cremation via the family notice issued via the funeral directors.

    Top class transparency from Sinn Fein as usual, don't you think?


  • #4526
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Acosta wrote: »
    Do FG people seriously think that continuing to mention at any given opportunity a funeral that happened 6 months ago that they're convincing the people that voted for Sinm Fein in record numbers that they were wrong and will realise the error of their ways and vote FG next time around?

    Can't speak for FG people, but from my perspective, I will call whatever I see as wrong for as long as I want.


  • #4527
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Why?

    Their was a public announcement he was being cremated, and another one announcing a graveside oration for him at the ceremony.

    If you were expecting a burial, that would be because you didn't read the arrangements, hardly anyone elses fault there tbh.


    IMG-20201113-152927.jpg

    Is that a public announcement? Or an email to supporters?


  • #4528
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    McMurphy wrote: »
    It said cremation in the death notice from the funeral directors, and doesn't mention a burial on the funeral arrangements above from the Shinners, just an oration, because I'd assume anyone who took the time and effort to ensure they were going to the funeral already knew of the cremation via the family notice issued via the funeral directors.

    What ceremony (as per above) would one normally have in a cemetery after a funeral mass in a church. Why does the above not mention a cremation if he was to be cremated. Why did you post that as proof that there was only ever to be a cremation if it doesn’t mention cremation. Was it a mistake?


  • #4529
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    joemurt wrote: »
    The reason why Fine Gougers will never drop the disgusting funeral attack line is so no-one ever holds Varadkar to account for his actions during this pandemic.

    Going down to a crowded park to get pissed with his mates a week or two after his PR campaign dressed up as a doctor ''LeAdInG tHe nAtIOnS fIghT'' at the beginning of this crisis was the most irresponsible message anyone could have done while medical institutes were being over run with covid etc.

    And this is what Varadkar did. House parties, piss ups in towns and people taking off on holidays is what brought the second wave. Not people paying their respects, no matter how big or small a funeral was.

    Its an appalling smear against all people who had to grieve over the past year and it will come back to bite those low lives weaponizing it.

    All created by the Taoiseach, his advisers and his narcissism.

    Varadkar throws everybody under the bus so he doesn't have to put his hand up and take responsibility for his behaviour time and again. Sociopath.

    Would those weaponising be RPGs, SAMs or armalites?


  • #4530
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Tbf i attended a prodestant funeral(??),for a mates father,(my county has a large enough prodestant population,leads to great banter!),and they stopped for an oration at his family plot,before loading into the hearse for away to cremation


    Maybe its a cultural thing?

    An oration is not a ceremony. There is only one ceremony (as per the email) that takes place in a cemetery after a funeral mass.

    Just to note the email outlined an oration and a ceremony.


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  • #4531
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What ceremony (as per above) would one normally have in a cemetery after a funeral mass in a church. Why does the above not mention a cremation if he was to be cremated. Why did you post that as proof that there was only ever to be a cremation if it doesn’t mention cremation. Was it a mistake?

    Sigh...... I don't know if you didn't bother reading the post of mine you quoted, but I stated fairly clearly that it was literally publicly announced by the family that he was to be cremated his the funeral directors. See here dated June 21st..

    IMG-20201113-190056.jpg

    The Sinn Fein announcement referencing the graveside oration was released June 25th. A full four days later, no mention of a burial, just an oration at the republican plot in the cemetery.


    Now, you can argue to the cows come home that "there was no mention of a cremation" if you like, but you'll continue to look a bit silly is all, so tear away if you like.


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