Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

13-11-2020 12:19PM

2 different protocols on the one small island just wont work.

polesheep · 13-11-2020 12:22PM

seamus wrote: »

I'd say the media around the world will be trying to big up these ones, "Look at all these poor people who've been told by their government not to come home for Xmas ", but I don't think people will lap it up.

RTE put up one yesterday evening with 3 people talking about their "heartbreak" after Leo told them not to book flights, and all of the comments on Twitter were, "It's a pandemic yis fvkcing gobsh1tes, stay where you are and come home next year".

There is hypocrisy at play with regard to travel for Christmas. The pandemic couldn't be tackled by isolating the vulnerable as "We are all in this together". But there's no problem telling Irish people not to travel home.

We're told that people in Australia are enjoying the good life, while their fellow citizens stuck abroad cannot go home. "All in this together".

I see selfishness and 'Devil take the hindmost' everywhere I look, but everyone claiming it's the other person doing it.

wakka12 · 13-11-2020 12:26PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-74-dies-1.4408294

One silver lining of COVID..infamous serial killer Peter Sutcliffe has died of COVID 19 after refusing treatment when he developed the infection

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 12:29PM

There are conflicting articles on Level 3 online .Does Level 3 allow one family visit a another home or not .I can read four articles and two say Yes and the other say NO

Seamai · 13-11-2020 12:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

2 different protocols on the one small island just wont work.

Looking on at the sh1tshow going on at the top level in the north I think we are probably wasting our time hoping for an all island strategy. If there was mature leadership up there we'd have had it months ago but instead what we have up there is akin to a schoolyard feud with neither side willing to find common ground. We have to look after our own backyard and protect our own people even if that means stricter border controls. We're far too precious about a border which is not serving us well at the moment. There is something wrong when a Garda can stop someone from going between say Cork and Waterford but not Derry and Donegal or vice versa.

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 12:38PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There are conflicting articles on Level 3 online .Does Level 3 allow one family visit a another home or not .I can read four articles and two say Yes and the other say NO

There are various measures they could bring in within level 3. There is provision for both that you mention, all depends what they go with.

Likewise indoor dining allowed is a provision in level 3 while they could also go up to only outdoor dining

nofools · 13-11-2020 12:40PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

The fella from Saudi Arabia really pissed me off. Happy out to leave Ireland to coin it in as a software developer in a human rights abusing country, and then he has the cheek to moan about being discouraged from travelling home for Christmas. You've made your bed pal......

Begrudgery 101

Alf Veedersane · 13-11-2020 12:41PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There are conflicting articles on Level 3 online .Does Level 3 allow one family visit a another home or not .I can read four articles and two say Yes and the other say NO

Level 3:

"No visitors to home or garden, with the exception of visits for essential purposes (for example: family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, and in particular those who live alone)."

"In outdoor settings away from your home or garden, up to 6 people from a maximum of 2 households can meet while maintaining strict physical distancing – including for outdoor exercise and dining."

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 12:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There are various measures they could bring in within level 3. There is provision for both that you mention, all depends what they go with.

Likewise indoor dining allowed is a provision in level 3 while they could also go up to only outdoor dining

Thank you . That makes sense

Seamai · 13-11-2020 12:47PM

nofools wrote: »

Begrudgery 101

Begrudgery? Saudi Arabia? Really?

nofools · 13-11-2020 12:50PM

Seamai wrote: »

Begrudgery? Saudi Arabia? Really?

:pac:

Ask yer man who was ranting about it.

Spanish Eyes · 13-11-2020 12:57PM

Test and trace appears to be a disaster in NI. I am sure the population up there know all about the precautions that will lessen the spread, but are they adhering?

Even having checks on the Irish side on approaches to and from Strabane and Derry could be tried, but a lot of those crossing over for shopping and leisure are probably within the 5k rule.

That would not be a border check but a check by ROI on ROI residents and those who are not cross border workers, but I can imagine the hullabaloo. Even if Holohan asked people to avoid travelling across the border other than for work, for the sake of their own health and that of their community might help somewhat. But I doubt it.

mandrake04 · 13-11-2020 01:20PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Was surprised when my friend in Sydney posted a picture at a zoo and they all had masks on outdoors. Is this a requirement there? I thought everything had gone back to normal in Australia

Probably just a piss take, masks were never mandatory in NSW just advised on public transport and in retail..but safe distance is only 1.5m. You will see probably probably more mask use in Asian suburbs but usually it’s 50/50. Hospitals do insist on masks and you need a green tick on on your phone App to get in, plus they use those thermal cameras.

Other than that the restrictions are not that invasive, you only allowed a max of 20 from outside your home at your house, but you can visit a restaurant in a group of 30. Indoor dining and drinking is limited to 1 per 4m2 and outdoor dining and drinking 2m2. Pubs and restaurants are fairly full, they all require scanning a code or the App. Sporting stadiums are limited to 75% capacity.

Weddings are limited to 150 persons but double to 300 on 1st December, Christmas parties have a max of 300 as long as the 4m2 can be observed otherwise numbers is limited on area of the venue and you need to scan the code or App

Not quite normal but close enough, was 31C today and I going take the kids to the waterpark on Sunday.

DebDynamite · 13-11-2020 01:21PM

Are there any Garda checkpoints on the approach roads to Derry, Strabane, etc?

KrustyUCC · 13-11-2020 01:41PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET making recommendations on 26th, was stated by CMO last night

Just a misspeak from Henry so

eigrod · 13-11-2020 01:42PM

ICU down to 35. Hospitalisations 275.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

mandrake04 · 13-11-2020 01:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The Australian approach is going well.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/13/stranded-australians-face-longer-wait-as-pm-declares-hotel-quarantine-alternatives-unsafe

Ah well, the other 25million seem happy enough. An inconvenience to the few, better than locking up the entire nation and destroying businesses.

titan18 · 13-11-2020 02:01PM

I wonder would people rather the pubs to open or families to return home for Christmas, if given an option.

Sweet.Science · 13-11-2020 02:01PM

Tony Holohan has gone beyond parody now

He will be telling kids their parents are Santa Claus on the 6 one soon

polesheep · 13-11-2020 02:03PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Ah well, the other 25million seem happy enough. An inconvenience to the few, better than locking up the entire nation and destroying businesses.

The other side of the coin, eh.

Jimson · 13-11-2020 02:04PM

titan18 wrote: »

I wonder would people rather the pubs to open or families to return home for Christmas, if given an option.

Faimly home obviously but pubs in a regulated environment i don't see as an issue.

Id rather you can't travel to a pub outside your 5KM radius and if there is an outbreak at least its isolated. Bar man would have to ID.

13-11-2020 02:09PM

titan18 wrote: »

I wonder would people rather the pubs to open or families to return home for Christmas, if given an option.

It would depend on where they were returning from. New Zealand, Eastern Canada, Taiwan, Greenland.. yes come on home.

The rest the world, its going to be Skype or Zoom Im afraid.

A lot of the pubs in the North are reopening tonight, and there is nothing to stop residents from the ROI from popping over for a meal and a few drinks. Its going to be down to individual choice.

titan18 · 13-11-2020 02:13PM

I think for a lot too it'll likely be sure they can come to Ireland, but can they get back to where they live if they do.

UK and EU is one thing for that, but can people living in the US or Australia be able to actually return there if they do come here.

polesheep · 13-11-2020 02:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It would depend on where they were returning from. New Zealand, Eastern Canada, Taiwan, Greenland.. yes come on home.

The rest the world, its going to be Skype or Zoom Im afraid.

A lot of the pubs in the North are reopening tonight, and there is nothing to stop residents from the ROI from popping over for a meal and a few drinks. Its going to be down to individual choice.

For your family, perhaps, for others it will be different. Some people have already come home for the Christmas period as they can work remotely. One of my own children arrived home recently and will be returning after Christmas.

polesheep · 13-11-2020 02:16PM

titan18 wrote: »

I think for a lot too it'll likely be sure they can come to Ireland, but can they get back to where they live if they do.

UK and EU is one thing for that, but can people living in the US or Australia be able to actually return there if they do come here.

For the US there will be no problem if they are citizens or have a green card.

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 02:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A lot of the pubs in the North are reopening tonight, and there is nothing to stop residents from the ROI from popping over for a meal and a few drinks. Its going to be down to individual choice.

Well they aren't seeing as they're closed for another 2 weeks after last night's extension. Anywhere that opens will be quickly shutdown by the PSNI I would say.

13-11-2020 02:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well they aren't seeing as they're closed for another 2 weeks after last night's extension. Anywhere that opens will be quickly shutdown by the PSNI I would say.

I hadnt realised there was an extension made last night. My mistake.

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 02:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I hadnt realised there was an extension made last night. My mistake.

Was a complete mess up there anyway, until this week they didn't know if it was midnight Thursday or midnight Friday when restrictions lapsed. Turned out it was midnight tonight so they had a bit more time to get the extension last night

Eod100 · 13-11-2020 02:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well they aren't seeing as they're closed for another 2 weeks after last night's extension. Anywhere that opens will be quickly shutdown by the PSNI I would say.

I think it's 1 week.

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 02:27PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I think it's 1 week.

1 week for hairdressers, cafes etc close by 8pm.

2 weeks for hospitality

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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