Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Loafing Oaf · 13-11-2020 11:03AM

prunudo wrote: »

So the last few days of Christmas shopping will be nuts in the Dublin shopping centres as tens of thousands from surrounding counties pile in to get their last bits. Seems like a sensible plan.

All retailers can open under level 3 no?

Akabusi · 13-11-2020 11:07AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

All retailers can open under level 3 no?

Yes all shops can open under level 3 unless they do a level 3+

Miike · 13-11-2020 11:08AM

Shops will open for sure but can people be sensible, or I guess what I'm asking is WILL people be sensible?

KrustyUCC · 13-11-2020 11:10AM

More options at Christmas if Covid cases keep falling, says HSE's chief clinical officer

"On December 1, Nphet will make a recommendation based on public health and the Government will make a decision based on broader interests, based on employment and the economy, he said."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40081484.html

Phase 5 is meant to end on 1st of December

A slip up from Henry or is he saying the actual NPHET plan?

wadacrack · 13-11-2020 11:11AM

85 have died from Covid-19 in the last week in Northern Ire

lemonTrees · 13-11-2020 11:13AM

Miike wrote: »

Shops will open for sure but can people be sensible, or I guess what I'm asking is WILL people be sensible?

Not a chance people will be sensible. Look at some of the comments on here as proof of same.

Lack of personal responsibility is a big issue with Irish people in general.

is_that_so · 13-11-2020 11:14AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

More options at Christmas if Covid cases keep falling, says HSE's chief clinical officer

"On December 1, Nphet will make a recommendation based on public health and the Government will make a decision based on broader interests, based on employment and the economy, he said."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40081484.html

Phase 5 is meant to end on 1st of December

A slip up from Henry or is he saying the actual NPHET plan?

As he is quoted in the article, he's an optimist! Nolan is too. The CMO likes to dampen down enthusiasm and operates in levels of confidence in outcomes.

prunudo · 13-11-2020 11:15AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

All retailers can open under level 3 no?

Yes, but a lot of people would travel to large shopping centres in neighbouring counties for Christmas shopping purposes.

3xh · 13-11-2020 11:17AM

wadacrack wrote: »

85 have died from Covid-19 in the last week in Northern Ire

I find this strange. It’s so out of kilter with our published figures. Plus they’ve, what, a quarter of the population? So an even higher rate again.

Who are these unfortunate deaths, is what I’d ask. Middle-aged, averagely healthy parents that just randomly caught it or nursing home cases of people who instructed their loved ones not to resuscitate them?

is_that_so · 13-11-2020 11:20AM

The Australian approach is going well.

About 36,500 Australians stranded overseas and international students will have to wait longer to come to Australia, after Scott Morrison declared alternatives to hotel quarantine unsafe.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/13/stranded-australians-face-longer-wait-as-pm-declares-hotel-quarantine-alternatives-unsafe

KrustyUCC · 13-11-2020 11:21AM

is_that_so wrote: »

As he is quoted in the article, he's an optimist! Nolan is too. The CMO likes to dampen down enthusiasm and operates in levels of confidence in outcomes.

True points but its mad if NPHET are only going to make recommendations on the 1st of December

Everybody should know whats happening at least the Friday beforehand to give people a chance to prepare

If NPHET only make recommendations the 1st government won't make decisions for another few days and that's a few days wasted for retail etc

seamus · 13-11-2020 11:24AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The Australian approach is going well.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/13/stranded-australians-face-longer-wait-as-pm-declares-hotel-quarantine-alternatives-unsafe

I'd say the media around the world will be trying to big up these ones, "Look at all these poor people who've been told by their government not to come home for Xmas

", but I don't think people will lap it up.

RTE put up one yesterday evening with 3 people talking about their "heartbreak" after Leo told them not to book flights, and all of the comments on Twitter were, "It's a pandemic yis fvkcing gobsh1tes, stay where you are and come home next year".

is_that_so · 13-11-2020 11:25AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True points but its mad if NPHET are only going to make recommendations on the 1st of December

Everybody should know whats happening at least the Friday beforehand to give people a chance to prepare

If NPHET only make recommendations the 1st government won't make decisions for another few days and that's a few days wasted for retail etc

I thought NPHET said they they will advise government on the 26th.

is_that_so · 13-11-2020 11:28AM

seamus wrote: »

I'd say the media around the world will be trying to big up these ones, "Look at all these poor people who've been told by their government not to come home for Xmas ", but I don't think people will lap it up.

RTE put up one yesterday evening with 3 people talking about their "heartbreak" after Leo told them not to book flights, and all of the comments on Twitter were, "It's a pandemic yis fvkcing gobsh1tes, stay where you are and come home next year".

Yeah, but that's not a Christmas thing. Those numbers have been like that for months and it's the same for NZ. It shows up the limits of the mandatory quarantine approach.

Loafing Oaf · 13-11-2020 11:29AM

prunudo wrote: »

Yes, but a lot of people would travel to large shopping centres in neighbouring counties for Christmas shopping purposes.

Still don't see why there would be a mad rush in the last few days before Christmas if all shops have been open from early December.

13-11-2020 11:30AM

3xh wrote: »

I find this strange. It’s so out of kilter with our published figures. Plus they’ve, what, a quarter of the population? So an even higher rate again.

Who are these unfortunate deaths, is what I’d ask. Middle-aged, averagely healthy parents that just randomly caught it or nursing home cases of people who instructed their loved ones not to resuscitate them?

A health care worker in his early 50s died from covid19 in Northern Ireland few days ago a, his folks passed away from it 2 weeks ago.

KrustyUCC · 13-11-2020 11:32AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I thought NPHET said they they will advise government on the 26th.

Yes I thought so too

Was it just a mistake from Henry?

I'd like to think so but I can't be sure

manniot2 · 13-11-2020 11:36AM

cases dont drop sufficiently by December...'we cant open up as much as we wanted to'. cases drop sufficiently 'we cant open up too much to undo all our hard work'

And on we go

prunudo · 13-11-2020 11:41AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Still don't see why there would be a mad rush in the last few days before Christmas if all shops have been open from early December.

Because the latest leaks seem to suggest it will be level 3 for the first half of December at a minimum, that means you can't leave your county.

pc7 · 13-11-2020 11:41AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The Australian approach is going well.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/13/stranded-australians-face-longer-wait-as-pm-declares-hotel-quarantine-alternatives-unsafe

I've family in Oz and they are living life as normal, coming into summer now and it looks amazing. I know we can't do that approach but at least its working for them.

KrustyUCC · 13-11-2020 11:42AM

manniot2 wrote: »

cases dont drop sufficiently by December...'we cant open up as much as we wanted to'. cases drop sufficiently 'we cant open up too much to undo all our hard work'

And on we go

Yes a great catch 22

3xh · 13-11-2020 11:44AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A health care worker in his early 50s died from covid19 in Northern Ireland few days ago a, his folks passed away from it 2 weeks ago.

Yep fair enough. So, a health care worker and 2 elderly parents, probably mid-70s at the youngest.

Not sure what a health care worker is other than it sounds like a non-emergency type role. Perhaps a nursing home employee so what was his PPE allocation like?

Northern Ireland’s weekly figure should really be 4 times smaller yet it’s about twice as big. Something’s off there. As is their positivity rate.

Loafing Oaf · 13-11-2020 11:48AM

prunudo wrote: »

Because the latest leaks seem to suggest it will be level 3 for the first half of December at a minimum, that means you can't leave you county.

Cheers gotcha

gipi · 13-11-2020 11:49AM

3xh wrote: »

Yep fair enough. So, a health care worker and 2 elderly parents, probably mid-70s at the youngest.

Not sure what a health care worker is other than it sounds like a non-emergency type role. Perhaps a nursing home employee so what was his PPE allocation like?

Northern Ireland’s weekly figure should really be 4 times smaller yet it’s about twice as big. Something’s off there. As is their positivity rate.

The HCW who died was a porter in a Belfast hospital.

mcburns07 · 13-11-2020 11:54AM

seamus wrote: »

I'd say the media around the world will be trying to big up these ones, "Look at all these poor people who've been told by their government not to come home for Xmas ", but I don't think people will lap it up.

RTE put up one yesterday evening with 3 people talking about their "heartbreak" after Leo told them not to book flights, and all of the comments on Twitter were, "It's a pandemic yis fvkcing gobsh1tes, stay where you are and come home next year".

The fella from Saudi Arabia really pissed me off. Happy out to leave Ireland to coin it in as a software developer in a human rights abusing country, and then he has the cheek to moan about being discouraged from travelling home for Christmas. You've made your bed pal......

caveat emptor · 13-11-2020 11:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A health care worker in his early 50s died from covid19 in Northern Ireland few days ago a, his folks passed away from it 2 weeks ago.

There are disturbing accounts coming out about how Health Care workers were treated during the pandemic in the UK. Totally inadequate PPE etc. This is a doctor who was pregnant at the time. Shocking stuff. The amount of HCWs who got infected here was staggering. All of the bull**** around them having got infected anywhere except the hospital.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 11:59AM

mcburns07 wrote: »

The fella from Saudi Arabia really pissed me off. Happy out to leave Ireland to coin it in as a software developer in a human rights abusing country, and then he has the cheek to moan about being discouraged from travelling home for Christmas. You've made your bed pal......

Was he the fella who said " We feel we are not welcome at home " Absolute nonsense , its a pandemic pal its not like we all decided to block our families out and party on without them

3xh · 13-11-2020 12:01PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There are disturbing accounts coming out about how Health Care workers were treated during the pandemic in the UK. Totally inadequate PPE etc. This is a doctor who was pregnant at the time. Shocking stuff. The amount of HCWs who got infected here was staggering. All of the bull**** around them having got infected anywhere except the hospital.

Yep. As I say, there’s more to this than just ‘numbers are up so stay at home’

A porter would definitely have a high chance of contracting it as would his +75yrs parents.

stephenjmcd · 13-11-2020 12:13PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True points but its mad if NPHET are only going to make recommendations on the 1st of December

Everybody should know whats happening at least the Friday beforehand to give people a chance to prepare

If NPHET only make recommendations the 1st government won't make decisions for another few days and that's a few days wasted for retail etc

NPHET making recommendations on 26th, was stated by CMO last night

13-11-2020 12:17PM

3xh wrote: »

Yep fair enough. So, a health care worker and 2 elderly parents, probably mid-70s at the youngest.

Not sure what a health care worker is other than it sounds like a non-emergency type role. Perhaps a nursing home employee so what was his PPE allocation like?

Northern Ireland’s weekly figure should really be 4 times smaller yet it’s about twice as big. Something’s off there. As is their positivity rate.

They are following the UK protocol which has been a disaster. The people in NI follow the UK media in general, which hasn't been adequately informing people to take precautions. Apparently the Foyleside shopping centre in Derry was packed about 5 weeks ago and not one person wearing a mask. (a relation in Donegal told me this, she was the only one wearing a mask and she was being stared at)

Last weekend, the police raided a house party in Belfast where there were 19 people hiding in a bedroom and 2 in the attic. There were similar stories in Septmeber.

Pubs that serve food were open in the North up until a couple of weeks ago.

Also, they were due to lift their circuit breaker restrictions yesterday, but decided to give it another 24 hours, so restrictions are being lifted tonight, so the pubs are reopening.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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