Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

ednwireland · 12-11-2020 11:10PM

majcos wrote: »

Lifford and Strabane are stuck together and are practically one town. Don’t think could fault population there for doing a supermarket shop on other side of border as their local supermarket could be on other side of border and wouldn’t make less sense for them to drive further away to Letterkenny and would be more risky in terms of spread to different area.

I doubt the cross border supermarket trip could be considered a breach of restrictions in that particular twin town but the non essential shopping trips are debatable.

huge difference between west and east

CIARAN_BOYLE · 12-11-2020 11:15PM

majcos wrote: »

Lifford and Strabane are stuck together and are practically one town. Don’t think could fault population there for doing a supermarket shop on other side of border as their local supermarket could be on other side of border and wouldn’t make less sense for them to drive further away to Letterkenny and would be more risky in terms of spread to different area.

I doubt the cross border supermarket trip could be considered a breach of restrictions in that particular twin town but the non essential shopping trips are debatable.

Strabane has aldi asda and supervalu, lifford has centra, circle k and a butchers.

If you live in Lifford and want to do groceries you go to Strabane.

majcos · 12-11-2020 11:18PM

Seamai wrote: »

You beat me to it, the rest of the country has to make do without non essential shopping but not them. Just because they can doesn't mean they should and the figures up there are proof of their behaviour. I don't care what they normally do, we're not living in normal times.

I think your statement ‘just because they can doesn’t mean they should’ applies to many situations in this Covid pandemic (and in life!). That will apply again too when restrictions are lifted.

Just because I can have x number of people over to visit at some stage, doesn’t mean I should. Just because I could have gone abroad in July, doesn’t mean I should have. Just because I could visit my parents at various points during the pandemic, doesn’t mean I should do so without caution and consideration.

Of course, we will all ultimately make our own decisions about our behaviour restrictions or not and our decisions will be based on our personal situations. I think what is frustrating in this instance is that the behaviour of others is not just impacting that person themselves but has an impact on others.

Stheno · 12-11-2020 11:19PM

majcos wrote: »

Lifford and Strabane are stuck together and are practically one town. Don’t think could fault population there for doing a supermarket shop on other side of border as their local supermarket could be on other side of border and wouldn’t make less sense for them to drive further away to Letterkenny and would be more risky in terms of spread to different area.

I doubt the cross border supermarket trip could be considered a breach of restrictions in that particular twin town but the non essential shopping trips are debatable.

Yes thats what I meant

I used work occasionally in Letterkenny for a couple of days at a time and always dreaded the traffic to get past the shopping center in Strabane on a Friday

Back to Covid I think at one point Strabane had over 1000 cases per 100k so that's probably part of the issue

Similar for Letterkenny and Derry

seamus · 12-11-2020 11:24PM

Donegal along the border is the wild west. Nobody's telling them what they can and can't do, even if it is a pandemic.

This is the place where everyone drives a yellow reg and has a different address depending on whether they've been stopped by Gardai or PSNI.

Donegal might have to stay in level 5 through Xmas, or at least as long as NI is a mess.

It'll be pointless, Donegal people will ignore it, but we have to try something.

majcos · 12-11-2020 11:24PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Strabane has aldi asda and supervalu, lifford has centra, circle k and a butchers.

If you live in Lifford and want to do groceries you go to Strabane.

In that case I would totally understand technically crossing a border to do a grocery shop and I don’t think that particular example could be considered a breach of restrictions. I would not like to have to do my full grocery shop in Circle K or even Centra.

As for going to Penneys’, that’s a completely different matter.

KrustyUCC · 12-11-2020 11:28PM

alentejo wrote: »

Seems Level 3 it is so!

Cant see restaurants and bars opening till April.and then only outdoor service. I wonder when this is all over, will there be any pubs left in Ireland

Who's saying that?

Going to be a lot of unhappy people at level three if that's what it will be

Stheno · 12-11-2020 11:31PM

majcos wrote: »

In that case I would totally understand technically crossing a border to do a grocery shop and I don’t think that particular example could be considered a breach of restrictions. I would not like to have to do my full grocery shop in Circle K or even Centra.

As for going to Penneys’, that’s a completely different matter.

The shopping centre/park in Strabane is enormous,, so popping into other shops after doing the grocery shopping would be something people probably even consider an issue

As for Derry I don't get that one

igCorcaigh · 12-11-2020 11:34PM

But shopping is not a driver of spread? At least not supermarket shopping.

Is it a pub and restaurant thing? Arr they still open in Derry?

majcos · 12-11-2020 11:42PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

But shopping is not a driver of spread? At least not supermarket shopping.

Is it a pub and restaurant thing? Arr they still open in Derry?

Restaurants and pubs closed but after they did in Republic (closed on October 16th).

Households still allowed to visit but maximum of 2 households, 10 people.

Outdoor sports still allowed.

Gyms still open but no classes.

Churches still open.

And retail still open.

Don’t see mention of a 5km or any travel zone of restriction.

Stheno · 12-11-2020 11:42PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

But shopping is not a driver of spread? At least not supermarket shopping.

Is it a pub and restaurant thing? Arr they still open in Derry?

For Strabane id say its the amount of people who would go there you are talking about somewhere a the size of Blanch centre which has all businesses open

Pubs and restaurants are shut, don't know about cafes

MD1990 · 12-11-2020 11:45PM

too much mentioned about Christmas & opening business's.

We are lucky in Ireland that we took the measures we did.

Looking around Europe the level of cases & deaths is shocking.
I have not been following it last few weeks really apart from Ireland & the amounts of cases & deaths is way worse than the 1st wave.

majcos · 12-11-2020 11:49PM

HSE operations report 12/11

272 confirmed cases in hospitals of 8pm down from 282 at 8pm yesterday.
38 confirmed cases in ICU, down from 39. 24 ventilated.
1 Covid death in ICU in last 24 hours.

Limerick has highest number of confirmed cases at 41, followed by Tallaght 31, Naas 28 and Letterkenny 23.

normanoffside · 12-11-2020 11:51PM

majcos wrote: »

HSE operations report 12/11

272 confirmed cases in hospitals of 8pm down from 282 at 8pm yesterday.
38 confirmed cases in ICU, down from 39. 24 ventilated.
1 Covid death in ICU in last 24 hours.

Limerick has highest number of confirmed cases at 41, followed by Tallaght 31, Naas 28 and Letterkenny 23.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1327011837985103872

The majority of the Hospitalised cases in Limerick, Naas, Sligo and others acquired it inside the hospitals.

hotmail.com · 12-11-2020 11:54PM

Can Irish people living abroad not arrive at a common sense decision for themselves about coming home for Xmas.

If your parents are relatively young and have no health issues, then why not come home and have an enjoyable time.

froog · 12-11-2020 11:56PM

so are these guys gonna ruin us or what?

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majcos · 12-11-2020 11:57PM

MD1990 wrote: »

too much mentioned about Christmas & opening business's.

We are lucky in Ireland that we took the measures we did.

Looking around Europe the level of cases & deaths is shocking.
I have not been following it last few weeks really apart from Ireland & the amounts of cases & deaths is way worse than the 1st wave.

Ireland third lowest (of 31 countries) reported 14 day incidence rate per 100,000 population now on European CDC daily situation update.

Czechia highest at 1331.4
Luxembourg 1311.6
Liechtenstein 1128.3
Belgium 1060

Sweden 472.9
UK 471.8

Ireland 138.9
Norway 135.5
Finland 53.8

wakka12 · 12-11-2020 11:59PM

froog wrote: »

so are these guys gonna ruin us or what?

First the pangolins and now the mink our undoing

Who knew these unsuspecting cuties could cause such a fuss

Stheno · 13-11-2020 12:01AM

wakka12 wrote: »

First the pangolins and now the mink our undoing

Who knew these unsuspecting cuties could cause such a fuss

Denmark reported today they tested a vaccine they are developing on the mink strain and it fought it off

Cluedo Monopoly · 13-11-2020 12:02AM

I have never seen white mink before. They are black in Ireland. Do black mink lives matter?

I guess white is easier to dye for the mink coats. Who wears fur now anyway?

They are anything but cute. They are vicious. Great swimmers, kill a huge amount of birdlife.

Mink will attack animals up to the size of a chicken, duck, rabbit, or new born lamb. Like some other members of the weasel family, mink can exhibit “surplus killing” behavior when presented with an abundance of food, such as in a poultry house full of chickens. Mink are capable of eating significant numbers of nesting waterfowl and young game birds. In addition, they kill fish of all species including ornamental pond fish. They typically kill their prey by biting them through the skull or neck

http://www.wildlifemanagement.ie/mink/

Cluedo Monopoly · 13-11-2020 12:05AM

Stheno wrote: »

Denmark reported today they tested a vaccine they are developing on the mink strain and it fought it off

I'd say they fought the needle off! They are fast and agile!

majcos · 13-11-2020 12:06AM

normanoffside wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1327011837985103872

The majority of the Hospitalised cases in Limerick, Naas, Sligo and others acquired it inside the hospitals.

I’m still not sure on his interpretation of figures. Subtracting admissions and discharges in a 24 hour period does not necessarily equate to hospital acquired infections.

Definitely some hospital acquired infections but not the full number that he is claiming.

Comparing same time point in HSE operations report between yesterday Andy today.
36 in Limerick yesterday, 41 today.
28 in Naas yesterday, 28 today.
13 in Sligo yesterday, 14 today.

Not sure why he is tweeting 14 more in Sligo. One more case in Sligo compared to yesterday.

Stheno · 13-11-2020 12:08AM

majcos wrote: »

I’m still not sure on his interpretation of figures. Subtracting admissions and discharges in a 24 hour period does not necessarily equate to hospital acquired infections.

Definitely some hospital acquired infections but not the full number that he is claiming.

Comparing same time point in HSE operations report between yesterday Andy today.
36 in Limerick yesterday, 41 today.
28 in Naas yesterday, 28 today.
13 in Sligo yesterday, 14 today.

Not sure why he is tweeting 14 more in Sligo. One more case in Sligo compared to yesterday.

160 staff in UHL isolating either due to testing positive or being close contacts would suggest there is a problem

Jim_Hodge · 13-11-2020 12:10AM

majcos wrote: »

I’m still not sure on his interpretation of figures. Subtracting admissions and discharges in a 24 hour period does not necessarily equate to hospital acquired infections.

Definitely some hospital acquired infections but not the full number that he is claiming.

Comparing same time point in HSE operations report between yesterday Andy today.
36 in Limerick yesterday, 41 today.
28 in Naas yesterday, 28 today.
13 in Sligo yesterday, 14 today.

Not sure why he is tweeting 14 more in Sligo. One more case in Sligo compared to yesterday.

"There are 41 in Limerick, 14 more in Sligo..." He didn't say Sligo had increased by 14.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 12:12AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Can Irish people living abroad not arrive at a common sense decision for themselves about coming home for Xmas.

If your parents are relatively young and have no health issues, then why not come home and have an enjoyable time.

No, No, No! People do not have common sense and cannot be trusted, that's why Tony issues us with blanket rules- to make is simple for everyone to understand.

Strumms · 13-11-2020 12:14AM

normanoffside wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1327011837985103872

The majority of the Hospitalised cases in Limerick, Naas, Sligo and others acquired it inside the hospitals.

How does he know, and what qualifications has he earned to enable to ‘tell’ people what to think ?

Workplace negligence occurs in a community.

Ahhh...

“Financial Supply Chain Process Leader”... this is what he had on his personal Twitter, yay him.

majcos · 13-11-2020 12:14AM

Stheno wrote: »

160 staff in UHL isolating either due to testing positive or being close contacts would suggest there is a problem

Yes. I’m not disagreeing that there is a problem but I would like to see the figures transparently rather than based on calculations that are flawed.

160 staff is very easy to get to with just a very small number of hospital cases. Each patient encounters numerous members of staff and staff encounter numerous members of other staff. And staff often live together so even if not in contact in work are in contact at home.

It would be quite possible to get to 160 staff isolation with just two or three patients.

I would just like to see the hospital acquired numbers definitively counted before going on that tweeters potentially flawed calculations.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 12:17AM

majcos wrote: »

Not sure why he is tweeting 14 more in Sligo. One more case in Sligo compared to yesterday.

14 More 'Hospital acquired' patients in Sligo, not necessarily all in the past 24 hours, he's counting these over days and weeks.
14 have gotten it inside Sligo hospital by comparing admissions and discharges of Covid 19 patients in Sligo

majcos · 13-11-2020 12:17AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

"There are 41 in Limerick, 14 more in Sligo..." He didn't say Sligo had increased by 14.

Ah yes. Okay. I misread that. Thank you.

But he still seems to be implying that all those cases are hospital acquired. That all 41 in Limerick caught it in hospital. There have been 434 cases in Limerick in last two weeeks. Limerick has the second highest incidence in country at the moment. Not all 41 in hospital got it there.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 12:18AM

Strumms wrote: »

How does he know, and what qualifications has he earned to enable to ‘tell’ people what to think ?

Workplace negligence occurs in a community.

Ahhh...

“Financial Supply Chain Process Leader”... this is what he had on his personal Twitter, yay him.

By comparing admissions and discharges to the overall number.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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