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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #2822
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Exactly. I'm wondering about the nature of our 2nd surge and the fact that it was based on some pretty large clusters. Might this have helped it fall so fast?

    To be fair, we have had some fairly tight and clearly being well adhered to controls in place. The growth is exponential and the decline is pretty dramatic too, once it’s denied hosts.

    I think there’s a lot more buy in and people taking practical steps to prevent spread than some of the online bubbles would have you believe. Ireland can be remarkably cohesive in a crisis and I’m seeing very little evidence of any need for draconian enforcement.


  • #2823
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Prof Nolan - Dublin incidence now decreasing as rapidly as the rest of the country.

    Donegal the exception


  • #2824
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    14-day IR should be 135-140 now
    wakka12 wrote: »
    Wow 0.6 R0, that's an unbelieavble achievement. Honestly never thought it would get as low as NPHET were hoping

    So between a 14-day IR of around 135/140 and R0 of 0.6, my question is "how does this interact with our living with covid, 5 level plan?". Why can it not be explained to the public what the metrics are to move between levels and, further, why are we still at level 5 when we are dramatically lower than when we went in to level 5? Like, why wait another 3 weeks to move on?

    It's farcical between the government and NPHET that they don't have a plan clearly communicated to the public, instead just saying "wait and see".


  • #2825
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Prof Nolan - Dublin incidence now decreasing as rapidly as the rest of the country.

    Donegal the exception

    Did he intimate that restrictions may need to be extended for Dublin and Donegal?


  • #2826
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Prof Nolan - Very confident of less than 100 cases a day by 1st December if we keep going as we are now.


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  • #2827
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    0.6 applies to 7-10 days ago according to prof Nolan and it could be even better than that


  • #2828
    SortingYouOut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    So between a 14-day IR of around 135/140 and R0 of 0.6, my question is "how does this interact with our living with covid, 5 level plan?". Why cannot it be explained to the public what the metrics are to move between levels and, further, why are we still at level 5 when we are dramatically lower than when we went in to level 5? Like, why wait another 3 weeks to move on?

    It's farcical between the government and NPHET that they don't have a plan clearly communicated to the public, instead just saying "wait and see".

    Would you not rather build a better base number wise as we move out of restrictions?

    Beverly Hills, California



  • #2829
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    So between a 14-day IR of around 135/140 and R0 of 0.6, my question is "how does this interact with our living with covid, 5 level plan?". Why cannot it be explained to the public what the metrics are to move between levels and, further, why are we still at level 5 when we are dramatically lower than when we went in to level 5? Like, why wait another 3 weeks to move on?

    It's farcical between the government and NPHET that they don't have a plan clearly communicated to the public, instead just saying "wait and see".

    It's quiet obvious. There's going to be a surge in December no matter what. If we open today we will have Leo and Martin out over the Christmas or on Christmas eve to announce new level 5 restrictions.

    Nphet are pushing for a long lockdown to bring numbers to below 100 cases a day so we dont open up for a few weeks and have to close again in just 2 or 3 weeks.


  • #2830
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Stheno wrote: »
    Did he intimate that restrictions may need to be extended for Dublin and Donegal?

    Not for Dublin no he said its in line with national trends.

    Donegal he hinted at it being stubbornly high


  • #2831
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Prof Nolan - Very confident of less than 100 cases a day by 1st December if we keep going as we are now.

    I suppose the next two and a bit weeks are crucial, to borrow the favoured and repeated phrase of NPHET.


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  • #2832
    Stheno
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    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    I suppose the next two and a bit weeks are crucial, to borrow the favoured and repeated phrase of NPHET.

    Nope its the next Three!


  • #2833
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    NPHET recommendations to go to government on Thursday 26th


  • #2834
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    No recommendations until the 26th?


  • #2835
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    SortingYouOut wrote: »
    Would you not rather build a better base number wise as we move out of restrictions?

    My point is that I do not think NPHET and the government have any idea between the lot of them how to "live with covid". They appear useless between all of them. A five level plan to "live with covid" has been basically ignored and as such, people have no clue what they are supposed to plan for in their lives. Same with businesses, they cannot be run when the government and NPHET have no clue how to implement a "living with covid" plan.

    It needs to be clear, as it is with travel, what the criteria are to move between levels. It's absolute BS and incompetence to have this colour-coded plan with no way of actually implementing it properly. My guess is that it will show up NPHET to be a bit clueless as it is quite clear their advice is not really based on a whole lot of science. If they had to actually lay their cards on the table and set out criteria to move between levels, it would lead to them being held accountable (heaven fordbid).


  • #2836
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    NPHET recommendations to go to government on Thursday 26th
    So, it really is the next two weeks!


  • #2837
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    NPHET recommendations to go to government on Thursday 26th

    Hopefully government announce on 27th so instead of dragging it out over the weekend. But if it's good news they might not drag their feet as much.


  • #2838
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    I suppose the next two and a bit weeks are crucial, to borrow the favoured and repeated phrase of NPHET.

    And round and round we go...... tiresome sh:t


  • #2839
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    Stheno wrote: »
    Did he intimate that restrictions may need to be extended for Dublin and Donegal?

    I don’t really think there is any issue in Dublin.

    Donegal: 159,192 - 27 cases - 1 case per 5894
    Cork: 543,868 - 31 cases - 1 case per 17,254
    Dublin: 1,345,359 - 132 cases - 1 case per 10,192

    So the situation in Dublin is no where near as bad as Donegal.

    Dublin is also following the same downward track as the rest of the country.

    The special circumstances in Donegal are that it’s extremely exposed to the City of Derry and a few other NI towns.


  • #2840
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Hopefully government announce on 27th so instead of dragging it out over the weekend. But if it's good news they might not drag their feet as much.

    You can be dam sure Martin goes infront of the cameras Friday night if he's announcing good news


  • #2841
    Stheno
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Hopefully government announce on 27th so instead of dragging it out over the weekend. But if it's good news they might not drag their feet as much.

    Its very little notice for businesses to prep to reopen


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  • #2842
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Hopefully government announce on 27th so instead of dragging it out over the weekend. But if it's good news they might not drag their feet as much.
    Well, it would probably be announced on the Friday, but leaked beforehand if it's bad news. Most other EU countries are looking at Dec 1 as well.


  • #2843
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You can be dam sure Martin goes infront of the cameras Friday night if he's announcing good news

    Unless Varadkar leaks or tweets it before him! :pac:


  • #2844
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stheno wrote: »
    Its very little notice for businesses to prep to reopen
    That's how this in and out of restrictions works!


  • #2845
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Stheno wrote: »
    Its very little notice for businesses to prep to reopen

    It is but hopefully presuming good news they can open the following weekend say


  • #2846
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, it would probably be announced on the Friday, but leaked beforehand if it's bad news. Most other EU countries are looking at Dec 1 as well.

    True. Given trajectory if we keep it up over next 2 weeks, seems like it will be good news hopefully.


  • #2847
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Stheno wrote: »
    No recommendations until the 26th?

    I bet Tony & Co already know what their recommendations will be


  • #2848
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭blowitupref


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  • #2849
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Would be great if government gave a nice, clear comms a few days in advance of the 1st - not leave it until the last minute to let us know what is happening...

    Appreciate they are under pressure but a good, clear comms a few days in advance would be great!


  • #2850
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    First George Lee now McConkey on the six one

    FFS this will be fun


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  • #2851
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Would be great if government gave a nice, clear comms a few days in advance of the 1st - not leave it until the last minute to let us know what is happening...

    Appreciate they are under pressure but a good, clear comms a few days in advance would be great!

    https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/resilience-recovery-2020-2021-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

    What's not clear about the living with covid plan?
    The lower levels of the framework will be activated when there is low incidence of the disease, with isolated outbreaks, low community transmission. The higher levels will be used to deal with higher incidences of the disease.

    :pac:


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