Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

12-11-2020 01:04PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Can you imagine going to the trouble of doing zero covid only for a case or two to spring out of nowhere, it'd be heartbreaking.

Ireland has flights arriving into Dublin from the UK, Europe and the USA on a daily basis. Plus the border between NI and the South is open. We will only ever manage to contain covid19 for sporadic periods, so long as there is no mandatory 2 week self isolation for people entering the country.

KrustyUCC · 12-11-2020 01:05PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Here's an example of the above. There's a net -9 patients going by admissions minus Discharges but the number of Covid patients has gone up by 5.
Ergo, 14 must have acquired it inside the hospital.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326831044935475200

Ouch

14 people getting Covid inside hospital is terrible

paw patrol · 12-11-2020 01:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I never find myself thinking about Ryan Tubridy

a fair point, in my defence, it was a long walk and I'm finding level 5 mind numbingly boring worse than before cos the weather isn't great.

i'm sure your mind wanders too to the dark crevice of unpleasantness ,perhaps not to Tubridy.

screamer · 12-11-2020 01:06PM

If we have lots of Covid positive visitors for Christmas, we’ll have lots of Covid cases shortly after, as the last spike was attributed to households mixing. So, if we see a free for all return of people over Christmas, be ready for another level 5 from the end of Jan right across paddy’s day. I don’t know what the right thing to do is, but regardless, we all have to be realistic too.

fly_agaric · 12-11-2020 01:08PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Can you imagine going to the trouble of doing zero covid only for a case or two to spring out of nowhere, it'd be heartbreaking.

New Zealand already had that experience if I remember correctly. Had to "lock down" again.

I think the Asian countries that controlled Covid-19 well still have low numbers of cases. It is just that these are in their isolation facilities for incoming travellers or if it gets beyond that the numbers involved are small so they can trace it to stop further spread.

If they need to stamp out a local outbreak their contact tracing will have no respect for individual's privacy & quarantines will be ordered/enforced and will not be a request. Result is that they appear not to need the very blunt (& mostly voluntary as regards person behaviour) restrictions on the entire society we have to use here.

AssetBacked2 · 12-11-2020 01:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As a nation, we are more likely to turn a blind eye to the law if it means having to sacrifice our social life.

In Ireland that means getting pi$$ed to a state where we are a danger to ourselves and others, whether it be driving a car, or passing on a highly infectious disease.

The reason we have not let our hospitals get into a position of being anywhere close to being overstretched is because Irish people have followed the guidance, even with the complaining we do (a national pasttime). Look what happened with the first lockdown; everyone followed as was reflected in the data and cases as well as deaths hit the floor. Deaths are still on the floor, in fact it doesn't seem anyone is dying "from" covid given the age profile of deaths, which is testament to the Irish people. In the current lockdown, cases are down 1,000 per day from a few weeks ago. Irish people have done and continue to do their bit.

We are 8 months into lockdowns and all data points to Irish people respecting the restrictions in order to achieve the sole aim of adhering to restrictions; to protect the health service, not to let cases go to 0, but just to ensure that the health service can cope with covid and all the other things they need to manage. To claim that Irish people need to be spoonfed or lockeddown for their own good, is to display some sort of masochism or negative complex which says more about the poster than Irish people as it doesn't make sense.

12-11-2020 01:14PM

screamer wrote: »

If we have lots of Covid positive visitors for Christmas, we’ll have lots of Covid cases shortly after, as the last spike was attributed to households mixing. So, if we see a free for all return of people over Christmas, be ready for another level 5 from the end of Jan right across paddy’s day. I don’t know what the right thing to do is, but regardless, we all have to be realistic too.

A friend and his family who are based in Leeds, came over for a 2 week holiday to Ireland in August. He was a bit taken aback when many of his friends in Ireland declined to meet up with him for pints on the first few nights he was here.

How many thousand will be returning to Ireland from the UK for 'the Christmas' in a month or so?

AssetBacked2 · 12-11-2020 01:15PM

screamer wrote: »

If we have lots of Covid positive visitors for Christmas, we’ll have lots of Covid cases shortly after, as the last spike was attributed to households mixing. So, if we see a free for all return of people over Christmas, be ready for another level 5 from the end of Jan right across paddy’s day. I don’t know what the right thing to do is, but regardless, we all have to be realistic too.

Why? On current trajectory, we are looking at 2559 deaths "with covid" in a year. Pithy to be honest and not justifying another lockdown.

WoollyRedHat · 12-11-2020 01:17PM

lawred2 wrote: »

We signed up to lockdown?

Yeah did you not get your contract?!

Loafing Oaf · 12-11-2020 01:23PM

screamer wrote: »

If we have lots of Covid positive visitors for Christmas, we’ll have lots of Covid cases shortly after, as the last spike was attributed to households mixing. So, if we see a free for all return of people over Christmas, be ready for another level 5 from the end of Jan right across paddy’s day. I don’t know what the right thing to do is, but regardless, we all have to be realistic too.

If that's the last lockdown and the vaccine(s) comes into wide distribution from May or so, I think most people could live with it and would see it as a price worth paying for something like a normal Christmas.

12-11-2020 01:24PM

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

The reason we have not let our hospitals get into a position of being anywhere close to being overstretched is because Irish people have followed the guidance, even with the complaining we do (a national pasttime). Look what happened with the first lockdown; everyone followed as was reflected in the data and cases as well as deaths hit the floor. Deaths are still on the floor, in fact it doesn't seem anyone is dying "from" covid given the age profile of deaths, which is testament to the Irish people. In the current lockdown, cases are down 1,000 per day from a few weeks ago. Irish people have done and continue to do their bit.

We are 8 months into lockdowns and all data points to Irish people respecting the restrictions in order to achieve the sole aim of adhering to restrictions; to protect the health service, not to let cases go to 0, but just to ensure that the health service can cope with covid and all the other things they need to manage. To claim that Irish people need to be spoonfed or lockeddown for their own good, is to display some sort of masochism or negative complex which says more about the poster than Irish people as it doesn't make sense.

I completely agree, Ireland has done really well in containing covid19 compared to most other EU countries so far. There is a drink culture in Ireland though, and Irish people love to socialise. This has been a trying time for young people, and the steady rise in cases from mid September to mid October could be attributed to large social gatherings that involved alcohol, and by large I mean 20+ people.

A doctor from Lifford in Donegal was interviewed on RTE over a month ago, and he said that with contact tracing, 85 cases in that area of Donegal could be linked to 5 particular social events. 2 Leaving cert parties, 1 post GAA match house party, 1 First Communion party, 1 wake.

Atlantic Dawn · 12-11-2020 01:27PM

screamer wrote: »

If we have lots of Covid positive visitors for Christmas, we’ll have lots of Covid cases shortly after, as the last spike was attributed to households mixing. So, if we see a free for all return of people over Christmas, be ready for another level 5 from the end of Jan right across paddy’s day. I don’t know what the right thing to do is, but regardless, we all have to be realistic too.

We need mandatory testing 3 days prior to arrival like Spain are introducing, it won't result in zero cases being imported but would help a lot.

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-11-12/spain-will-require-negative-pcr-test-from-travelers-coming-from-over-60-countries.html

stephenjmcd · 12-11-2020 01:32PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

We need mandatory testing 3 days prior to arrival like Spain are introducing, it won't result in zero cases being imported but would help a lot.

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-11-12/spain-will-require-negative-pcr-test-from-travelers-coming-from-over-60-countries.html

Sure they don't want anyone coming back here anyway

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326864654858072066?s=19

3xh · 12-11-2020 01:37PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If that's the last lockdown and the vaccine(s) comes into wide distribution from May or so, I think most people could live with it and would see it as a price worth paying for something like a normal Christmas.

Stockholm syndrome.

caveat emptor · 12-11-2020 01:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure they don't want anyone coming back here anyway

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326864654858072066?s=19

Tánaiste Telling people to do something is like people telling him to resign. It’s not gonna happen.

prunudo · 12-11-2020 01:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure they don't want anyone coming back here anyway

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326864654858072066?s=19

I don't really get this, if they are covid negative what is the problem with coming back.

On one hand they introduce measures to live with the virus and on the other they say we must all be hermits.

polesheep · 12-11-2020 01:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure they don't want anyone coming back here anyway

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326864654858072066?s=19

I think he'll regret saying that.

MOR316 · 12-11-2020 01:48PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure they don't want anyone coming back here anyway

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326864654858072066?s=19

And this is the start of it...

People are not going to listen. He has only just said this and loads on social media are turning on him and saying they're gonna anyways

This is why last night I said some people in this thread don't live in the real world and are very naïve.

"I will be adhering to the restrictions and I will not be venturing outside to restaurants or pubs, like the majority and I will not meet people and I will not have any social contacts, like the majority" etc etc etc...

Good on you...But, you're not a majority! You're a very small minority, whose grasp and understanding of human behaviour, I seriously question

MOR316 · 12-11-2020 01:55PM

Teflon Holy Holohan will be at the airport gates, threatening them with some tinsel if they dare move off the plane...

"I SAID NO CLOSE CONTACTS!!"

normanoffside · 12-11-2020 01:56PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

We need mandatory testing 3 days prior to arrival like Spain are introducing, it won't result in zero cases being imported but would help a lot.

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-11-12/spain-will-require-negative-pcr-test-from-travelers-coming-from-over-60-countries.html

Ireland asks for pre departure tests from Amber countries but not from Red ones.
It's Bizarre TBH

Sconsey · 12-11-2020 01:58PM

MOR316 wrote: »

And this is the start of it...

People are not going to listen. He has only just said this and loads on social media are turning on him and saying they're gonna anyways

This is why last night I said some people in this thread don't live in the real world and are very naïve.

"I will be adhering to the restrictions and I will not be venturing outside to restaurants or pubs, like the majority and I will not meet people and I will not have any social contacts, like the majority" etc etc etc...

Good on you...But, you're not a majority! You're a very small minority, whose grasp and understanding of human behaviour, I seriously question

I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority are following the guidance and will continue to adhere, looking at the current trend downwards in cases makes me think that.

Whereas you are saying that the majority are not(?) or maybe will not follow the guidance for Christmas. Based on what? your own gut feelinag and maybe the opinions on this echo-chamber of a thread?

I think you are wrong, in the assumption you make in your post, that the person you are replying to is a very small minority.

mr_edge_to_you · 12-11-2020 02:00PM

Michael: "Leo, you know the way I backed you last week?"

Leo: "ye, thanks for that"

Michael: "will ya go out there and tell people they can't leave or return to the country for Christmas. Good lad!"

MOR316 · 12-11-2020 02:03PM

Sconsey wrote: »

I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority are following the guidance and will continue to adhere, looking at the current trend downwards in cases makes me think that.

Whereas you are saying that the majority are not(?) or maybe will not follow the guidance for Christmas. Based on what? your own gut feelinag any maybe the opinions on this echo-chamber of a thread?

I think you are wrong, in the assumption you make in your post, that the person you are replying to is a very small minority.

Ah OK, so you think the majority won't meet up with another household during Christmas?
You think the majority didn't do that between June and September?

Literally, right now, people are saying they're booking flights home, regardless of what Leo just said...Do you want me to screenshot it and post it here?

Plenty of people follow the guidelines and adhere to the restrictions...But, think they're not going to meet other people over Christmas and not travel between counties and keep their social contacts to a minimum?

As I said, naïve if you think so

seamus · 12-11-2020 02:06PM

polesheep wrote: »

I think he'll regret saying that.

I'm not sure.

I do think there's an aspect of "Who's gonna grab this nettle" and Leo having to do it because he's in the doghouse.

But overall there's not really anything shocking in it. The majority of people know that the sensible course of action this year is to not come home for Xmas if it can at all be avoided. Those who were going to do it anyway, will do it anyway. Those who weren't, won't.

Nobody's mind is going to be changed by Varadkar saying, "Don't book your flights home yet", but it's a negative message that was going to have to be said one way or another.

If the govt didn't say it, they would have been asked by the opposition and then would have had it to say it without being in control of the message.

10000maniacs · 12-11-2020 02:06PM

We need to shut the border with Northern Ireland. Otherwise it's third wave blues in the Republic. Almost identical things are now happening in Donegal as happened at the start of the second wave a few months back.

MOR316 · 12-11-2020 02:08PM

seamus wrote: »

I'm not sure.

I do think there's an aspect of "Who's gonna grab this nettle" and Leo having to do it because he's in the doghouse.

But overall there's not really anything shocking in it. The majority of people know that the sensible course of action this year is to not come home for Xmas if it can at all be avoided. Those who were going to do it anyway, will do it anyway. Those who weren't, won't.

Nobody's mind is going to be changed by Varadkar saying, "Don't book your flights home yet", but it's a negative message that was going to have to be said one way or another.

If the govt didn't say it, they would have been asked by the opposition and then would have had it to say it without being in control of the message.

Bit of a strange message to tell tourists to come in but, Irish people with families here can't come home for Christmas

Eod100 · 12-11-2020 02:09PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure they don't want anyone coming back here anyway

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326864654858072066?s=19

He said not to do it at the moment. Don't think it will make a huge difference either way as anyone planning will likely come anyway.

But if people have to restrict their movement for 5 days, pay for test, and that it will be a very different Christmas say some people will just decided it's not really worth the hassle this year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1112/1177611-coronavirus/

caveat emptor · 12-11-2020 02:11PM

MOR316 wrote: »

And this is the start of it...

People are not going to listen. He has only just said this and loads on social media are turning on him and saying they're gonna anyways

This is why last night I said some people in this thread don't live in the real world and are very naïve.

"I will be adhering to the restrictions and I will not be venturing outside to restaurants or pubs, like the majority and I will not meet people and I will not have any social contacts, like the majority" etc etc etc...

Good on you...But, you're not a majority! You're a very small minority, whose grasp and understanding of human behaviour, I seriously question

Any evidence of this majority you speak of. I mean there’s always dickheads but most people trying to do their bit for a normal Christmas.

If only the wilfully ignorant minority got more than a dirty look when they flout restrictions. Might stop them doing so.

Eod100 · 12-11-2020 02:16PM

MOR316 wrote: »

And this is the start of it...

People are not going to listen. He has only just said this and loads on social media are turning on him and saying they're gonna anyways

This is why last night I said some people in this thread don't live in the real world and are very naïve.

"I will be adhering to the restrictions and I will not be venturing outside to restaurants or pubs, like the majority and I will not meet people and I will not have any social contacts, like the majority" etc etc etc...

Good on you...But, you're not a majority! You're a very small minority, whose grasp and understanding of human behaviour, I seriously question

I think the bottom line is it will come down to whether pubs and restaurants are open or not. If they are people will go to them naturally, if not they obviously don't have that choice but then likely leads to people meeting in houses so seems counterproductive.

AssetBacked2 · 12-11-2020 02:16PM

That advice makes absolutely no acknowledgement of the EU travel guidance. He should be saying for people wishing to come home to pay close attention to the EU travel light guidance before booking. Gobsh1te.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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