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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #5402
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm fed up of this crap where you label right wing as evil.
    Both right and left are the same, the extremes on both sides are nasty.

    I'm sorry if anything I said has caused you to be offended.


  • #5403
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm fed up of this crap where you label right wing as evil.
    Both right and left are the same, the extremes on both sides are nasty.

    The same in what sense? Some would say capital punishment is evil, others would say abortion is evil. Neither are extremist views.


  • #5404
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

    Why is it always dragged back to racism when it's an argument of left and right wing policies?

    The working class man/woman is going to be much more well off under a right wing government than left wing.

    It was a yes or no question.


  • #5405
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Jin luk wrote: »
    The working class man/woman is going to be much more well off under a right wing government than left wing.

    Explain this one to me.


  • #5406
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    Jin luk wrote: »

    left wing

    the beliefs of open borders and socialism

    you-keep-using-that-word.jpg


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  • #5407
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It was a yes or no question.

    Why deflect all questions yourself?

    In total honesty, no I don't he's a racist.

    Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.


  • #5408
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Why deflect all questions yourself?

    In total honesty, no I don't he's a racist.

    Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.

    Great, would you like to respond to my earlier post then?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115222488&postcount=3302


  • #5409
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,065 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Please tell me you can see the difference between marching and a war.

    No, no I can't. I have absolutely no ability to see the difference.

    It wasn't a march, They took over the building demanding things. It didn't work because thankful people remained calm, let them have their little protest, and then ignored them.

    But, as can be seen in the numerous cops killing episodes that turn to violent protest, it can be a seemingly innocuous of unattached thing that sparks it.

    So had a group of militias a few yers ago that killed a few federal agents and holes up in some range. We had the Wacko incident. What seemingly should no result in anything serious can get blown up and become a thing.

    Whi would have thought a black man getting killed by the police would spark nationwide and even international rallies, protest and resulted in looting and violence in a number of US states.


  • #5410
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Jin luk wrote: »
    The point is left wingers and antifa are protest instigators. cause trouble in every country any counter protest is organised by these thugs and trouble starts because of them.

    Rhetoric like this is also causing trouble..


  • #5411
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    Explain this one to me.

    Look up left wing country's and see the comparison to country's who has governments made up of centre to right wing governments.

    Its really not hard to see.


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  • #5412
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Deleted User wrote:
    The same in what sense? Some would say capital punishment is evil, others would say abortion is evil. Neither are extremist views.
    I'm sure there's people on both the left and right that hold the same views on both those topics. What's that got to do with what I said?
    I'm saying the more extreme you go, either way, the more these people become nasty.


  • #5413
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    As you asked me not to deflect your questions.
    Jin luk wrote: »
    Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

    Yes. Turnout was always going to be high on the democrat side after the last four years, and turnout was always going to be high on the republican side to counter that.
    Jin luk wrote: »
    Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.

    You don't think there is a portion of minorities who 1) are ignorant to his racial views and/or who 2) feel OK voting for someone with racial views because of their strong dislike for Biden?


  • #5414
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Why deflect all questions yourself?

    In total honesty, no I don't he's a racist.

    Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.
    This is the "I can't be racist, I have black friends" claim rehashed.

    People often vote for and support things that go directly against their own self-interest. Plenty of black people worked voluntarily on the confederate side during the US civil war.

    Black people voting for Trump doesn't prove he's not racist.


  • #5415
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Look up left wing country's and see the comparison to country's who has governments made up of centre to right wing governments.

    Its really not hard to see.

    I mean western european/ new zealand/Canada vs the rest of the world?

    I am cool with left wing government on that evidence.


  • #5416
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

    .

    I don't want to get into the racism thing again but to argue these points (and to maybe try and better understand each other) we all need to up our game a but when it comes to making these points.

    You are joining several points and making false equivalences here. There are all sorts or reasons Trump got more votes than Obama and none of it is due to racism (except maybe that Trump was able to encourage more racists to vote). Or more accurately none of the points prove or disprove Trump is a racist.


  • #5417
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Jin luk wrote: »
    So right wing means racist now?

    Does left wing mean violent rioter?


  • #5418
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Great, would you like to respond to my earlier post then?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115222488&postcount=3302

    Fair enough, it's a rotten statement to make completely agree with that.

    Trump has made some crazy remarks in his time he speaks before he thinks.


  • #5419
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Look up left wing country's and see the comparison to country's who has governments made up of centre to right wing governments.

    Its really not hard to see.

    Look up what? How are you qualifing 'better'? What 'right wing policies' contributed to better?

    Sweeping generalisations won't convince anyone.. I'm trying to help you out here..


  • #5420
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    robinph wrote: »
    Does left wing mean violent rioter?

    Nope not at all but I just feel they don't like when someone has a different opinion to themselves.

    When pegida came to Ireland a few years back it was the left wing who organised the counter protest and ran them is that not what a democracy is supposed to be?

    An opinion for every person not just to be censored under 1 banner and 1 branch of beliefs?


  • #5421
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    It has been long established that Trump is racist. There is literally years of evidences of the mans racism, and we are talking about stuff from long before his Presidency. Here is just one example:

    Trump Will Not Apologize for Calling for Death Penalty Over Central Park Five


    Its amazing the people will claim Trump is not a racist with a straight face.


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  • #5422
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Fair enough, it's a rotten statement to make completely agree with that.

    Trump has made some crazy remarks in his time he speaks before he thinks.

    Good man for agreeing with me instead of trying to cling to some weird logic like others have. :)


  • #5423
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I mean western european/ new zealand/Canada vs the rest of the world?

    I am cool with left wing government on that evidence.

    Yep, I wonder how many working class in the UK are doing well with 10+ years of the Conservatives in power..

    Will be even more interesting when they need to start paying for healthcare.


  • #5424
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm sure there's people on both the left and right that hold the same views on both those topics. What's that got to do with what I said?
    I'm saying the more extreme you go, either way, the more these people become nasty.

    I agree with that, but it's not exactly what you said earlier.

    Anyway, it's of little importance. :)


  • #5425
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Good man for agreeing with me instead of trying to cling to some weird logic like others have. :)

    The only slight out is that he says racist things but he doesn't actually commit to being a racist because his narcissism stops him from even thinking about others..

    Kinda like ignorance being an excuse (it's not of course).


  • #5426
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    km991148 wrote: »
    The only slight out is that he says racist things but he doesn't actually commit to being a racist because his narcissism stops him from even thinking about others..

    Kinda like ignorance being an excuse (it's not of course).

    Yeah I did notice that but it was a far better response than I was expecting. :)


  • #5427
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    km991148 wrote: »
    Look up what? How are you qualifing 'better'? What 'right wing policies' contributed to better?

    Sweeping generalisations won't convince anyone.. I'm trying to help you out here..

    Australia
    Japan
    USA
    South Korea

    These are all major players on the world stage.


  • #5428
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah I did notice that but it was a far better response than I was expecting. :)

    I meant that as a generalisation myself, not necessarily in reference to the other poster.. but yes, I think it's important not to make up some bs excuse for him.

    Similarly I don't really believe that (all) Trump fans are racist. They certainly don't prioritise racism as something to care about, or they don't care that they vote for a racist. But are they actually racist by extension? I'm not sure.


  • #5429
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,780 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Why not investigate the claims? Why not make the results of said investigation as transparent as possible ?
    This will re-assure 99% of Trump voters I'm sure of it. You will always have the fringe conspiracy community, every major event has them, its unavoidable. Its very important that people feel they can trust the voting process otherwise your heading down a very dark road, calls for the country to unify are hollow unless you assuage the concerns of the other side, telling them to shut up without investigating will only make them more convinced of fraud and cover up.

    Do you honestly, genuinely believe that when all the court cases are thrown out and the recounts don't change the results that Trump will suddenly say "Ah ok fair enough, thanks for checking - Well done Joe, congratulations"?

    He won't - He'll double-down and claim that it's a deep-state conspiracy and that any GOP affiliated person that comes out and says that the election was all above board is a RINO/Never-Trumper etc. etc. - I mean he's already doing that and that's before they've finished.

    For those that actually believe that there was a coordinated effort to "steal" the election , there is no assuaging , there is no explaining. They are lost in the morass of conspiracy theories and lies.


  • #5430
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Do you honestly, genuinely believe that when all the court cases are thrown out and the recounts don't change the results that Trump will suddenly say "Ah ok fair enough, thanks for checking - Well done Joe, congratulations"?

    He won't - He'll double-down and claim that it's a deep-state conspiracy and that any GOP affiliated person that comes out and says that the election was all above board is a RINO/Never-Trumper etc. etc. - I mean he's already doing that and that's before they've finished.

    For those that actually believe that their was a coordinated effort to "steal" the election , there is no assuaging , there is no explaining. They are lost in the morass of conspiracy theories and lies.

    Absolutely, this is not going away any time soon.

    It's just a case of how many people follow him and how many realise he is a self centred shameless prick.


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  • #5431
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    This talk of civil war or a military coup makes no sense and greatly overexaggerates the importance of Donald Trump. He's just a guy who lost an election and is upset about it. 250 million Americans didn't vote for him. A lot of Americans have owned guns before, but they haven't had civil wars in over 150 years. Going to need a bit more to start a new one, than some nonsensical accusations about election fraud.


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