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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #5372
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No, nor Democrats.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-05/is-trump-right-are-democrats-destroying-cities-states

    Most democrat supporters are left wing supporters these days


  • #5373
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cnocbui wrote: »
    You are completely out of touch with reality, in a bad way.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7?op=1&r=US&IR=T

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/10/51-protesters-facing-federal-charges-yet-no-sign-of-antifa-involvement/

    You appear to be swallowing the pot stirring spittle ejected by Trump, Barr and right wing media, completely unfiltered (eewww).

    Anyway, back to the election. Violence from the left - none. Meanwhile, your boys hatched a plot to kidnap the Democrat governor of Michigan and to kill key police officers. While in Alabama, a police chief reckons people who vote Democrat should be lined up and shot in the head.

    Don't forget about:
    • The harassment of the Biden campaign bus in Texas
    • The Arkansas police chief who was forced to resign after calling for violence against democrats
    • The 350,000 member "Stop the Steal" Facebook group that called for violence
    • The armed men who were going to storm the vote counting centre in Philadelphia
    • Steve Bannon calling for beheadings

    etc etc.


  • #5374
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Most democrat supporters are left wing supporters these days

    And? What's your point?


  • #5375
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Most democrat supporters are left wing supporters these days

    nonsense


  • #5376
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Most democrat supporters are left wing supporters these days


    Like many others in this thread you seem to be under the misapprehension that the US democrats are in any way a left wing party.


    US politics has completely warped the meaning of left wing to basically mean anyone not Republicans.


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  • #5377
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Forget Trump, its the voters you need to reassure, the people who vote, all of them need to know that elections are fair and above board. Even the ones who don't agree with you.


    There's little that can be done to reassure voters at this stage, due to Trump making totally false and baseless claims about the integrity of the election. His one and only target here is to de-stabilise and delegitimise Biden's presidency as much as possible, and to hell with the consequences for the country. That much is blatantly clear.


    It was always going to happen, but it doesn't make it any less disappointing.


  • #5378
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Im just going to post without quoting because a lot of posters responded with similar rebuttals.
    A waste of time and money is not a good enough reason to not investigate the claims, Americans spend money to have jets fly over football games its not a time and money thing. Even if you believe that investigations wont convince all, convincing even 50% of them is a worthwhile endeavour its a huge deal if a large portion of your population have no faith in the voting system and everything should be done to protect it.
    If there is refusal to investigate and do so with transparency you will only push more into the camp who think the election has been "stolen" and cement the doubts of those you still have a chance to prove wrong.


  • #5379
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Im just going to post without quoting because a lot of posters responded with similar rebuttals.
    A waste of time and money is not a good enough reason to not investigate the claims, Americans spend money to have jets fly over football games its not a time and money thing. Even if you believe that investigations wont convince all, convincing even 50% of them is a worthwhile endeavour its a huge deal if a large portion of your population have no faith in the voting system and everything should be done to protect it.
    If there is refusal to investigate and do so with transparency you will only push more into the camp who think the election has been "stolen" and cement the doubts of those you still have a chance to prove wrong.

    Trumps supporters will think what he tells them to think. it is a cult. It is nonsense to think otherwise


  • #5380
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Im just going to post without quoting because a lot of posters responded with similar rebuttals.
    A waste of time and money is not a good enough reason to not investigate the claims, Americans spend money to have jets fly over football games its not a time and money thing. Even if you believe that investigations wont convince all, convincing even 50% of them is a worthwhile endeavour its a huge deal if a large portion of your population have no faith in the voting system and everything should be done to protect it.
    If there is refusal to investigate and do so with transparency you will only push more into the camp who think the election has been "stolen" and cement the doubts of those you still have a chance to prove wrong.

    Investigate what? There is no evidence, there is nothing to investigate. There is no point investigating a made up baseless allegation that exists just to create a deliberate nuisance.


  • #5381
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Deleted User wrote:
    Eric and Co conveniently ignoring that right wing terrorism is viewed as greatest threat in the US by the FBI.
    Right win could be either party in fairness.


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  • #5382
    lemonTrees
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 105 ✭✭lemonTrees


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    You think that armed militias, whose whole raison d'etre is to stand up to corrupt government, will stand by when they believe that the very core of their country, democracy itself, has been stolen?

    Yes. They are full of hot air just like Trump.

    There will be no civil war. Anyone suggesting there will be is just a bit daft.


  • #5383
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Most democrat supporters are left wing supporters these days

    So we're now OK with stating that most Trump supporters are racists then?


  • #5384
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,065 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Im just going to post without quoting because a lot of posters responded with similar rebuttals.
    A waste of time and money is not a good enough reason to not investigate the claims, Americans spend money to have jets fly over football games its not a time and money thing. Even if you believe that investigations wont convince all, convincing even 50% of them is a worthwhile endeavour its a huge deal if a large portion of your population have no faith in the voting system and everything should be done to protect it.
    If there is refusal to investigate and do so with transparency you will only push more into the camp who think the election has been "stolen" and cement the doubts of those you still have a chance to prove wrong.

    Of course there should be an investigation if there is enough evidence that it warrants it. But Trump being angry at the result, or that joe overheard a guy in a shop say something about another person that saw a friend on facebook etc is not grounds.

    They have plenty of systems in place to ensure the security of the process. They undertake checks during the count, their our observers to watch over them, the computer systems are verified, sample ballot are reviewed etc.

    You seem to think that nothing at all is in place and that an investigation is needed as there is no evidence that it works. But the vast majority of evidence says it works. There has been no evidence of who carried out the fraud, under what conditions, who was involved, who paid for it. Nothing.

    The weight of evidence lies with those seeking to claim something is amiss.

    Trump basically wants to start a fishing expedition in the hope that something, anything might turn up and they can work from there.

    Trump openly stated that he wouldn't accept the results if he lost, yet his 72m+ voters didn't care. What makes you think that any reporting or court case will assuage them from the notion that the election was fair?

    Do they have to lose every case? Or just most of them? Does every state get recounted r just some of them? Do senate and house votes get recounted or just some of them?

    The problem really lies with the fact that Trump isn't actually claiming voter fraud. He is claiming voter fraud only in those states that he thinks he could possibly win. And no one has been able to answer why, if the Dems and the media have undertaken such a fraud, why they wouldn't also include Senate and House races? Or why not stick closer to the polls?


  • #5385
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Right win could be either party in fairness.

    you know exactly what they meant.


  • #5386
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    you know exactly what they meant.
    Are you saying they had an agenda?


  • #5387
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Im just going to post without quoting because a lot of posters responded with similar rebuttals.
    A waste of time and money is not a good enough reason to not investigate the claims, Americans spend money to have jets fly over football games its not a time and money thing. Even if you believe that investigations wont convince all, convincing even 50% of them is a worthwhile endeavour its a huge deal if a large portion of your population have no faith in the voting system and everything should be done to protect it.
    If there is refusal to investigate and do so with transparency you will only push more into the camp who think the election has been "stolen" and cement the doubts of those you still have a chance to prove wrong.

    I don't mean any disrespect but people just calling for 'investigation' ad nauseum without any specific reason why are exactly the problem.

    Most commentators/people have all come out and said yes obviously it should only be legal votes counted. But until there are specific claims backed by evidence its almost impossible to 'investigate' to the extent people want. Thats why nearly all of the cases brought so far to court are being dismissed out of hand. People are rightly growing a bit exasperated because in the end it does have to be a waste of time and money if there is no basis for it.

    What if I was a neighbour of yours and kept reporting that you had done various things to my property or some such, had no evidence at all but kept making claims to the guards and trying to bring you to court. How long do you think they would put up with it?


  • #5388
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,932 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Are you saying they had an agenda?

    you will have to clarify who "they" as you think it could be anybody


  • #5389
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,065 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Yes. They are full of hot air just like Trump.

    There will be no civil war. Anyone suggesting there will be is just a bit daft.

    We have seen those same militias march onto State governments over the requirements to wear masks. Do you think they see democracy as less of an issue?

    It is very much a threat, although I would hope and I think it is unlikely. But as we saw with the BLM marches, it really doesn't take much to light the match, and it can spiral very quickly from there.

    You get a loads of guys with guns, stoked up on being Patriots and standing up for democracy, walking around and it all seems 'fine' until they pick on a person not willing to just walk away and boom, things kick off.

    Its unlikely, but far from daft.


  • #5390
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Im just going to post without quoting because a lot of posters responded with similar rebuttals.
    A waste of time and money is not a good enough reason to not investigate the claims, Americans spend money to have jets fly over football games its not a time and money thing. Even if you believe that investigations wont convince all, convincing even 50% of them is a worthwhile endeavour its a huge deal if a large portion of your population have no faith in the voting system and everything should be done to protect it.
    If there is refusal to investigate and do so with transparency you will only push more into the camp who think the election has been "stolen" and cement the doubts of those you still have a chance to prove wrong.
    If there is something to investigate then fine. But there isn't anything more than some crazy ideas from the brain of Trump based on what he'd try to do to cheat the system.

    Trump having a dream about some fraud isn't evidence of something happening. All of the instances of alleged fraud that have been taken to court so far have been along the lines of:

    We think X happened.
    Why? Have you seen X happening?
    No, but it might have done. Investigate it for us.
    Investigate what? Nothing happened.


  • #5391
    lemonTrees
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 105 ✭✭lemonTrees


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    We have seen those same militias march onto State governments over the requirements to wear masks. Do you think they see democracy as less of an issue?

    It is very much a threat, although I would hope and I think it is unlikely. But as we saw with the BLM marches, it really doesn't take much to light the match, and it can spiral very quickly from there.

    You get a loads of guys with guns, stoked up on being Patriots and standing up for democracy, walking around and it all seems 'fine' until they pick on a person not willing to just walk away and boom, things kick off.

    Its unlikely, but far from daft.

    Please tell me you can see the difference between marching and a war.


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  • #5392
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And? What's your point?

    The point is left wingers and antifa are protest instigators. cause trouble in every country any counter protest is organised by these thugs and trouble starts because of them.


  • #5393
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Please tell me you can see the difference between marching and a war.

    Erm...Trump will be doing the first out of the White House on Jan 20th and didnt go to the second because Daddy coughed up the dough?


  • #5394
    lemonTrees
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 105 ✭✭lemonTrees


    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    Erm...Trump will be doing the first out of the White House on Jan 20th and didnt go to the second because Daddy coughed up the dough?

    Can you translate that for those of us that speak English.


  • #5395
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jin luk wrote: »
    The point is left wingers and antifa are protest instigators. cause trouble in every country any counter protest is organised by these thugs and trouble starts because of them.

    And where is your evidence that the information provided in this post that suggests the complete opposite is incorrect?


  • #5396
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    robinph wrote: »
    So we're now OK with stating that most Trump supporters are racists then?

    So right wing means racist now?

    Are you saying everyone should just accept to be left wing and agree with their policies?

    Sorry but the beliefs of open borders and socialism isn't a belief of mine nor many others that don't agree with left wing.

    That's not racist


  • #5397
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    https://twitter.com/TheCrazySaguaro/status/1326726896143396864?s=20


  • #5398
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    This is it, the only violent outbursts were going to come from the left (not that biden is left but they werent backing trump) every business in DC boarded up incase trump won, they know how those people take news badly...

    Its very easy to say things like 'they take the news badly' and that's why they protest. I've been following a lot of comments and discussions online and one thing hit me that maybe I hadn't realised before.

    The reason why people who are traditionally on the left take and took those things 'badly' as you put it is because these elections could literally impact how their lives go with certain policies being either removed (ACA etc) or the emboldening of racism by indirect or direct affirmation by a president.It has a far greater impact on minorities and people of colour and those on the breadline. You also have to remember that these protests were also in reaction to the murdering of people from those communities by people representing the same authority.

    If you are middle class to reasonably well off, the vast majority of policies implemented by either republican or democrat president have minimal impact in reality.

    Put simply, if you voted for Trump your life will probably not be all that impacted in the next 4 years because Biden won. But there was potential real impact for communities with a continuation of Trump.

    So its somewhat easy and glib to say the left stokes violence and the right doesn't (which I don't think is true anyway) but you have to look at the context of why they might react that way if there has been and is a real danger.


  • #5399
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jin luk wrote: »
    So right wing means racist now?

    Are you saying everyone should just accept to be left wing and agree with their policies?

    Sorry but the beliefs of open borders and socialism isn't a belief of mine nor many others that don't agree with left wing.

    That's not racist

    Do you believe that Trump is a racist?


  • #5400
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    you will have to clarify who "they" as you think it could be anybody

    I'm fed up of this crap where you label right wing as evil.
    Both right and left are the same, the extremes on both sides are nasty.


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  • #5401
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Do you believe that Trump is a racist?

    Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

    Why is it always dragged back to racism when it's an argument of left and right wing policies?

    The working class man/woman is going to be much more well off under a right wing government than left wing.


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