Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

stephenjmcd · 12-11-2020 07:05AM

majcos wrote: »

An outbreak is counted with just two patients with a possible connection (who have not already diagnosed as positive prior to their connection) such as same room, same nurse/doctor who has tested positive, etc.

If numbers are high in a surrounding community, will obviously be higher in that local hospital through community acquired cases and there will also be a higher risk of transmission within a hospital if higher in the community as staff live in that community and the more cases in a hospital the more chances for a case to transmit from one patient to another.

Two connected cases is enough to shut a room and sometimes a whole ward to further admissions until all other patients in that room/ward have run out the isolation period and been tested. Staff have also to be assessed for contact risk and some may be isolated and testing according to that risk assessment.

So even a very small number of hospital acquired cases can have a huge impact on running of hospital and lead to cancellations through bed closures and loss of staff.

Yes I'm aware of the definition of an outbreak.

From speaking to family members who work in hospitals, both of those hospitals have multiple cases acquired in hospital hence the decsions to stop some electives

lawred2 · 12-11-2020 08:07AM

appledrop wrote: »

The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.

Enough is enough that is not good enough.

Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?

Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.

I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.

Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.

Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.

Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

We signed up to lockdown?

is_that_so · 12-11-2020 08:17AM

NZ doing yet another "lockdown" of a whole city because of one case. A reminder of just how difficult Zero COVID is as a strategy.

Health authorities in New Zealand are partially shutting down the central city of Auckland on Friday, asking workers in the city to stay home as they try to trace how a student became infected with Covid-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/new-zealand-investigates-mystery-covid-case-in-auckland

is_that_so · 12-11-2020 08:23AM

Spain will demand a negative Covid-19 test for all travellers arriving from countries with a high risk for coronavirus from 23 November. Visitors will need to show evidence of a negative PCR test result within the previous 72 hours to be granted entry and officials will be allowed to ask for proof of the test results.

3xh · 12-11-2020 08:37AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats always how its been though

Yes, I agree. Genuinely, I don’t think I said otherwise?

paw patrol · 12-11-2020 09:52AM

I was on my nightly walk last night and my mind wandered to my absolute disdain of Ryan Tubridy

I remember he had covid19 once upon a time, then i remember that Clare Byrne and Ciara Kelly and others had it too. This when there were not many cases in Ireland compared to now . But now covid positives have exploded in number but no celebrity types seem to have it anymore.

this confuses me slightly as it doesn't make sense when you think about it.

odd.

Gael23 · 12-11-2020 09:52AM

nofools wrote: »

You can enjoy it while being careful, same with day to day stuff.

I won't be in any pub even if they are open but will visit friends.

Private homes within closed social circles have a mathematical advantage over the intermingling of various social circles at a pub.

I can live without the pub too but I would like to enjoy a few meals out over Christmas

AssetBacked2 · 12-11-2020 09:56AM

is_that_so wrote: »

NZ doing yet another "lockdown" of a whole city because of one case. A reminder of just how difficult Zero COVID is as a strategy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/new-zealand-investigates-mystery-covid-case-in-auckland

I'm so glad we're not doing what they're doing there.

prunudo · 12-11-2020 10:00AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I was on my nightly walk last night and my mind wandered to my absolute disdain of Ryan Tubridy

I remember he had covid19 once upon a time, then i remember that Clare Byrne and Ciara Kelly and others had it too. This when there were not many cases in Ireland compared to now . But now covid positives have exploded in number but no celebrity types seem to have it anymore.

this confuses me slightly as it doesn't make sense when you think about it.

odd.

Rte was riddled with it in the early days so doesnt really surprise me. Ciara probably mixes in similar circles so not surprising but also north Wicklow had a lot more cases in the first wave then now.

Thierry12 · 12-11-2020 10:02AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I was on my nightly walk last night and my mind wandered to my absolute disdain of Ryan Tubridy

I remember he had covid19 once upon a time, then i remember that Clare Byrne and Ciara Kelly and others had it too. This when there were not many cases in Ireland compared to now . But now covid positives have exploded in number but no celebrity types seem to have it anymore.

this confuses me slightly as it doesn't make sense when you think about it.

odd.

True

Nearly every world leader has had it at this stage and I knew of no one with Covid till last week.

Those celebs and leaders must be testing themselves constantly

paw patrol · 12-11-2020 10:22AM

prunudo wrote: »

Rte was riddled with it in the early days so doesnt really surprise me. Ciara probably mixes in similar circles so not surprising but also north Wicklow had a lot more cases in the first wave then now.

i don't get this either.
I know people with it or who had it, but their partners and flatmates didn't get it. Of course it may have been more contagious then but that doesn't tally with the numbers. I dunno they must be licking each other arseholes in RTE.....oh...it's RTE....:pac:

seamus · 12-11-2020 10:24AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I was on my nightly walk last night and my mind wandered to my absolute disdain of Ryan Tubridy

I remember he had covid19 once upon a time, then i remember that Clare Byrne and Ciara Kelly and others had it too. This when there were not many cases in Ireland compared to now . But now covid positives have exploded in number but no celebrity types seem to have it anymore.

this confuses me slightly as it doesn't make sense when you think about it.

odd.

There would be two aspects here;

1. Reporters and other staff would have been closer to the initial infections, out and about meeting a lot more people in close quarters, travelling internationally, before this all kicked off. It would make a lot of sense, IMO, that someone involved in journalism would catch it early. From there it's merely a matter of bringing it into the canteen.
Now with hygiene measures and no real internaional travel, journalists are no more at risk than any other non-healthcare worker.

2. Naturally they'll make a big song and dance about it when they do get infected.

kippy · 12-11-2020 10:25AM

MOR316 wrote: »

So based on the evidence of what happened between 29th of June and mid September, you believe this?

It ain't happening! How anyone says anything otherwise is an even bigger head scratcher. Sure, they'll adhere to the restrictions in bars, restaurants and shops but, you really think there won't be gatherings outside of that?

It's human nature and quite frankly, because I've experienced this with literally everyone I encounter, they're sick to death of that bellend Tony Holohan!
I know plenty of people in the older/at risk category and they have had enough of him! Why? Because it's human nature! That's how we're programmed

It's not selfish for anyone to want and expect to enjoy Christmas! It's what people have always done for generations! Telling (a vast majority of people) that they can't do this and that and they can't live life is not going to go well, 9 months down the line, especially with his track record and the fact he has no power whatsoever!

What's next? The egomanic will probably come down your chimney, tear down your Christmas tree and piss in your bottle of Baileys, roaring into your face, "THE NEXT TWO WEEKS ARE CRUCIAL!!"

Ryan Turbidy will have him on the Late Late Show, confiscating the toys from the children.

I'm not sure why you are portraying TH in that manner. He is after all doing a job.

is_that_so · 12-11-2020 10:27AM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not sure why you are portraying TH in that manner. He is after all doing a job.

There are questions over how communication is being handled at this point and the clichés are well worn and to an extent very irritating.

fits · 12-11-2020 10:33AM

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I'm so glad we're not doing what they're doing there.

Really? Life is carrying on as if completely normal outside of these localised lockdowns. I'd love if we could do as New Zealand is doing. We could hug, go out, go to restaurants, go shopping and all the rest of it.

Rob A. Bank · 12-11-2020 10:35AM

Make a decision: Stormont Covid stalemate continues as ministers go home instead of ending deadlock

Three dead in one family, eight more lives lost and 791 new cases

The Belfast Telegraph's comment on the gross stupidity of playing politics with public health advice.

paw patrol · 12-11-2020 10:36AM

seamus wrote: »

There would be two aspects here;

1. Reporters and other staff would have been closer to the initial infections, out and about meeting a lot more people in close quarters, travelling internationally, before this all kicked off. It would make a lot of sense, IMO, that someone involved in journalism would catch it early. From there it's merely a matter of bringing it into the canteen.
Now with hygiene measures and no real internaional travel, journalists are no more at risk than any other non-healthcare worker.

2. Naturally they'll make a big song and dance about it when they do get infected.

agreed in an extent.
but number 2 is interesting. Positives are up - up enough for the government to sh1t the bed and give us a level 5 - yet the song and dance seems muted.

caveat emptor · 12-11-2020 10:43AM

I for one think it's great that they've they are bringing in a new rule to revive Phil Hogan's political career.
That's the only logical explanation for this rule. Bring on wave 3.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1111/1177512-covid-travel-latest/

Minister of State for European Affairs Thomas Byrne has said rules will change for those travelling to Ireland from a 'red' region - according to the new EU traffic light travel system - after 29 November, but warned it was "not an open door for travel".

He said passengers who receive a negative PCR Covid-19 test five days after arriving here will no longer have to restrict their movements.

prunudo · 12-11-2020 10:47AM

paw patrol wrote: »

i don't get this either.
I know people with it or who had it, but their partners and flatmates didn't get it. Of course it may have been more contagious then but that doesn't tally with the numbers. I dunno they must be licking each other arseholes in RTE.....oh...it's RTE....:pac:

Same, my neighbour had it but the rest of the family all came back negative. Regarding rte though, i know 2 people who work there and they both had it and have told me of plenty of others in there too. This was all back around March though, so it was obviously spreading around before social distancing, working from home etc.

Gael23 · 12-11-2020 10:49AM

Pressure mounting to reopen at level 2

prunudo · 12-11-2020 10:53AM

paw patrol wrote: »

agreed in an extent.
but number 2 is interesting. Positives are up - up enough for the government to sh1t the bed and give us a level 5 - yet the song and dance seems muted.

The theory I'd add is that they've been asked to tone it down. Presenters becoming infected but back in work within 2 weeks doesn't tie in with the narrative of a killer disease that we need to take heed off.

Rob A. Bank · 12-11-2020 10:55AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I for one think it's great that they've they are bringing in a new rule to revive Phil Hogan's political career.
That's the only logical explanation for this rule. Bring on wave 3.

Minister of State for European Affairs Thomas Byrne has said rules will change for those travelling to Ireland from a 'red' region - according to the new EU traffic light travel system - after 29 November, but warned it was "not an open door for travel".

He said passengers who receive a negative PCR Covid-19 test five days after arriving here will no longer have to restrict their movements.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1111/1177512-covid-travel-latest/

If you have 'restricted movement', how do you go and get a test?

Leaving aside that one test is unable to exclude Covid, you need 2 tests 3-5 days apart to be sure you are not in the early stages of infection.

MOR316 · 12-11-2020 11:02AM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not sure why you are portraying TH in that manner. He is after all doing a job.

Teflon Tony

I'm not going to derail the thread, giving reasons why I think he's a prick. Google can do that for you

seamus · 12-11-2020 11:06AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Pressure mounting to reopen at level 2

I'm expecting a detailed plan to step down incrementally and then back up again.

That is, move to level 3 in early December (maybe the 4th or 7th), stay there for two weeks, move to level 2 until the 1st January, then move back to level 3 for all of January.

People will be complacent. People will break the rules.

We need to plan our restrictions to give people enough freedom that they might actually stick within a reduced ruleset, rather than maintain stricter rules that they'll ignore completely.

If you tell people that no visitors are allowed at home on Xmas day, then they'll ignore it completely and have everyone over.

If you tell them they can have visitors from two households, then they're more likely to come up with a plan that lets them stick within the rules.

Rob A. Bank · 12-11-2020 11:08AM

UK becomes the first country in Europe to pass 50,000 deaths from COVID-19

Yet another sad milestone is passed and the pandemic has not finished with it's continuing damage to life and health.

seamus · 12-11-2020 11:08AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

If you have 'restricted movement', how do you go and get a test?

Leaving aside that one test is unable to exclude Covid, you need 2 tests 3-5 days apart to be sure you are not in the early stages of infection.

"Restricted movement" means reducing your movement to the absolute essentials. You are allowed to go out to buy food and 30 minutes exercise, but other than that you must stay at home. So you can go get a Covid test as that's essential.

Quarantine/Isolation means you do not leave except in an emergency (i.e. you need to go to hospital or the building is on fire).

votecounts · 12-11-2020 11:10AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Make a decision: Stormont Covid stalemate continues as ministers go home instead of ending deadlock

Three dead in one family, eight more lives lost and 791 new cases

The Belfast Telegraph's comment on the gross stupidity of playing politics with public health advice.

From my viewpoint, there is only party playing politics with this, all the others know there has to be restrictions. But then again there is not a proper govt up there. Normally the DUP would follow england, but they're already in lockdown but that would similar to the republic. Yet no one from FF and FG will say a word, rather plant poppy wreaths with them. If it was SF, they would not shut about it on rte, twitter( hello leo), etc

12-11-2020 11:11AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

If you have 'restricted movement', how do you go and get a test?

Leaving aside that one test is unable to exclude Covid, you need 2 tests 3-5 days apart to be sure you are not in the early stages of infection.

How does anyone who is a close contact of a confirmed case restrict their movements and get a test?

Also, coming from a low risk area presents a lower base risk. In addition a negative test leaves a lower residual risk. If an area has 50 cases per hundred thousand, a random person from that area has a 0.02% chance of having contracted the virus within 14 days of travelling. 75% of those who develop symptoms will do so within 7 days. PCR will also detect the virus up to 3 days prior to symptoms. So more than 75% of cases exposed on the day they travel will be detected if tested 5 days after arrival. This will be higher for those exposed earlier

12-11-2020 11:13AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I was on my nightly walk last night and my mind wandered to my absolute disdain of Ryan Tubridy

I remember he had covid19 once upon a time, then i remember that Clare Byrne and Ciara Kelly and others had it too. This when there were not many cases in Ireland compared to now . But now covid positives have exploded in number but no celebrity types seem to have it anymore.

this confuses me slightly as it doesn't make sense when you think about it.

odd.

I never find myself thinking about Ryan Tubridy

plodder · 12-11-2020 11:14AM

Another community case in Auckland. This will be a real test of their tracing system.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/new-zealand-investigates-mystery-covid-case-in-auckland

Posted already, I see......

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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