Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

screamer · 09-11-2020 07:05PM

Stheno wrote: »

Tony asked about families going for a drink at Christmas in the pub, says he doesn't envison that and five minutes later says nothing has been discussed about post Dec 1

Not a hope the pubs will be allowed to open for Christmas, not because of families, but Imagine big crowds out drinking, going nuts around Christmas when the hospitals will be on skeleton staff and covid still rearing it’s ugly head.... I can’t see them allowing pubs to reopen at all till the new year.

Deeper Blue · 09-11-2020 07:06PM

shinzon wrote: »

Lol I knew when I came on here people would be shooting there load over the Pfizer announcement while welcome theres still a long way to go before one needle goes into an arm.

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-pfizer-scientists-cautious-questions-1546018

Shin

I agree, we should all cower in fear under our beds for the next 20 years

giveitholly · 09-11-2020 07:06PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So we are down to 270 cases but the elephant in the room is that schools are only back a day after being off for 9 days.

If we see an increase in numbers over the next ten days then an admission of schools being the cause is hard to argue with.

I think we should be planning to close the schools a week earlier before Christmas, allow house occupants have a few days at home and any illness can come to the fore in isolation before visitors call round for Christmas.

Schools have been back since last Monday

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:08PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Schools have been back since last Monday

It takes two weeks usually, so we are absolutely certain there will be a HUGE spike at the end of this week!

Seamai · 09-11-2020 07:10PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Dr Holohan and NPHET are definitely living up to persisting with an overly negative outlook they’re often accused of. They don’t sound organised at all re vaccination roll out. Meanwhile in the U.K., they’re ready to go ASAP.

I don't know about that, Johnson and his cohort are all advising extreme caution and telling the public not to slacken their resolve. I wouldn't say they're ready to go ASAP at all.

CruelSummer · 09-11-2020 07:11PM

Benimar wrote: »

You believe Boris fcuking Johnson?!!

I don’t. But a bit of positivity wouldn’t go astray from NPHET at their press conferences.

BringBackMick · 09-11-2020 07:11PM

There is no plan here is there, again the usual ****e during June.

We learned nothing, just lockdown lockdown, keep watching the number come down and delay delay delay.

It's do demoralizing, it seems like all our sacrifices will be for nothing if we cannot open up significantly in December.

Stheno · 09-11-2020 07:11PM

screamer wrote: »

Not a hope the pubs will be allowed to open for Christmas, not because of families, but Imagine big crowds out drinking, going nuts around Christmas when the hospitals will be on skeleton staff and covid still rearing it’s ugly head.... I can’t see them allowing pubs to reopen at all till the new year.

My point is that he says one minute he doesn't envision it then next minute that it hasn't been discussed

MrMusician18 · 09-11-2020 07:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It takes two weeks usually, so we are absolutely certain there will a HUGE spike at the end of this week!

For most isn't it 3-5 days for symptoms, then a day for a test. You'd expect to be seeing the rise around now tbh.

It also looks like halloween celebrations haven't prevented a fall in numbers (although they may have slowed the fall)

Arghus · 09-11-2020 07:12PM

Tony has to be cautious in his response because it's early days. It's encouraging news today, but there is a lot of road left to run. It's certainly good to read that things re vaccination are encouraging - but I'd be loathe to take anything for granted at this stage.

Eod100 · 09-11-2020 07:13PM

Stheno wrote: »

Tony asked about families going for a drink at Christmas in the pub, says he doesn't envison that and five minutes later says nothing has been discussed about post Dec 1

Guess pubs might not open but hopefully friends and families can meet up at home. Then again pubs would probably more regulated so tis a tricky one.

CruelSummer · 09-11-2020 07:13PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The UK government are all fur coat and no knickers. They talk the talk (project moonshot nonsense) but have consistently failed to walk the walk.

If Ireland can get it's hands on a vaccine, I'd have no reason to believe that a speedy and effective rollout couldn't be undertaken. We have and do distribute vaccines effectively.

Holohan and co cannot at this stage go into the specifics of vaccine distribution at the moment since it A) distracts from their current core message and more importantly we don't have one yet.

Yes fair points. But they could be more positive in their outlook. Numbers are down and there’s hope on the horizon. I agree with Dr Holohan that it’s just a press release so far from Pfizer & it’s not until the actual data is published can anyone draw any real conclusions from it.

froog · 09-11-2020 07:13PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

There is no plan here is there, again the usual ****e during June.

We learned nothing, just lockdown lockdown, keep watching the number come down and delay delay delay.

It's do demoralizing, it seems like all our sacrifices will be for nothing if we cannot open up significantly in December.

the plan has always been a series of lockdowns until a vaccine comes. like literally every single other country in the entire world. there is no other plan. how do people still not get this?

political analyst · 09-11-2020 07:14PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The large amount of community transmissions (ie unidentified spread) means shut down the community.

That reminds me of what I read in the following article.

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0918/1166020-why-close-pubs-and-restaurants/

In a Twitter thread, Professor Philip Nolan, Chair of the National Public Health Emergency Team's Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group, said that the idea that very few cases are connected to such social settings "is misreading and misinterpreting the data on outbreaks and clusters".

He explained that contact tracing resources are concentrated on where the virus is likely to spread to, rather than on where it has come from.

branie2 · 09-11-2020 07:14PM

Great to see the numbers down a good bit

greensausage · 09-11-2020 07:15PM

screamer wrote: »

Not a hope the pubs will be allowed to open for Christmas, not because of families, but Imagine big crowds out drinking, going nuts around Christmas when the hospitals will be on skeleton staff and covid still rearing it’s ugly head.... I can’t see them allowing pubs to reopen at all till the new year.

You're probably right but people will be socialising this Christmas one way or another, whether it's pubs, restaurants or getting together in peoples homes.
I get the feeling a lot of people are happy enough to fully comply with the current restrictions on the basis they will be drastically reduced for Christmas and if that's off the table come December 1st they might lose patience with the whole lot.

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:16PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

For most isn't it 3-5 days for symptoms, then a day for a test. You'd expect to be seeing the rise around now tbh.

It also looks like halloween celebrations haven't prevented a fall in numbers (although they may have slowed the fall)

I'm firmly onside with schools not being a major vector and low community rates should push down those positivity rates in schools even more.

MerlinSouthDub · 09-11-2020 07:17PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So we are down to 270 cases but the elephant in the room is that schools are only back a day after being off for 9 days.

If we see an increase in numbers over the next ten days then an admission of schools being the cause is hard to argue with.

I think we should be planning to close the schools a week earlier before Christmas, allow house occupants have a few days at home and any illness can come to the fore in isolation before visitors call round for Christmas.

Worry not, cases have been falling consistently since Mid October (when the schools were open). If anything, it looks like the rate of decline slowed after the mid term. Could be because adults were mixing more, kids visiting other houses etc during mid term.

Always_Running · 09-11-2020 07:17PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Good number but Dublin dropping far slower than many counties

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1325852033581244421

Lowest daily reported case number since September 26th.

davemckenna25 · 09-11-2020 07:19PM

Stheno wrote: »

My point is that he says one minute he doesn't envision it then next minute that it hasn't been discussed

Yes.. first he gives his opinion that he doesn't envision it but also says that NPHET hasn't discussed it.
I thought it was that simple.

screamer · 09-11-2020 07:20PM

Sadly, the damage to our economy will not be repaired, whilst Nphet are in a flap about covid, locking everything down. Saw a UPS van today with just the sliding part of the door open and it was stuffed with nothing but Amazon boxes. We’re literally throwing out the baby with the bath water with these restrictions, madness.

Stheno · 09-11-2020 07:21PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Yes.. on one said he gives his opinion that he doesn't envision it but also says that NPHET hasn't discussed it.
I thought it was that simple.

Well then as a leading member of NPHET he should keep his personal opinion to himself tbh

Stheno · 09-11-2020 07:23PM

froog wrote: »

the plan has always been a series of lockdowns until a vaccine comes. like literally every single other country in the entire world. there is no other plan. how do people still not get this?

Every single other country in the entire world? Have you deleted a few continents there?

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:23PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Yes.. on one said he gives his opinion that he doesn't envision it but also says that NPHET hasn't discussed it.
I thought it was that simple.

What we know by now is that NPHET have a process and the CMO has a limited range of comments he's prepared to use. Dec 1 is 3 weeks away so it's natural people are beginning to wonder. Even so there are hints already that Dec 1 may turn out to be a provisional date.

davemckenna25 · 09-11-2020 07:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

What we know by now is that NPHET have a process and the CMO has a limited range of comments he's prepared to use. Dec 1 is 3 weeks away so it's natural people are beginning to wonder. Even so there are hints already that Dec 1 may turn out to be a provisional date.

I thought it was for 6 weeks from midnight 22nd Oct to midnight 2nd Dec, coming out on 3rd Dec.

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:29PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

I thought it was for 6 weeks from midnight 22nd Oct to midnight 2nd Dec, coming out on 3rd Dec.

That's 3 weeks and a bit. Pretty sure he said Dec 1 himself today as they had proposed it for 19th October. Even if it is the 3rd it could easily become the 7th or later.

09-11-2020 07:30PM

Should be level 2 now, and a public apology from Tony.

Stheno · 09-11-2020 07:30PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

I thought it was for 6 weeks from midnight 22nd Oct to midnight 2nd Dec, coming out on 3rd Dec.

Dec. 1st with a review after the first four weeks according to Michael when he announced it

Benimar · 09-11-2020 07:31PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I don’t. But a bit of positivity wouldn’t go astray from NPHET at their press conferences.

So you would rather NPHET spout sh1te like Johnson, just for a bit of ‘positivity’?

mloc123 · 09-11-2020 07:31PM

screamer wrote: »

Saw a UPS van today with just the sliding part of the door open and it was stuffed with nothing but Amazon boxes.

So pretty much the same as for the past 5 years or more..

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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