Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

Sweden's total deaths for 2020 are completely normal so far, unless there is a massive spike in mortality in November and December Sweden will see less deaths in 2020 than many of the other years of the last decade.
I am actually stunned, 6000 confirmed deaths one of the highest in the world and no effect on annual mortality. For me this has completely changed my perspective on everything about this

From what I've read it's similar here. We had a very mild winter here last year and all that appears to have happened is that the normal January spike simply shifted to April. But in terms of the annual death rate, we seem to be down so far.

But I'm no expert so...

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Mix of can-kicking and many of those who might be needing trolleys have passed away.

Also keeping the drunks out of hospital a&e.

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

From what I've read it's similar here. We had a very mild winter here last year and all that appears to have happened is that the normal January spike simply shifted to April. But in terms of the annual death rate, we seem to be down so far.

But I'm no expert so...

Yes and personally I never found the fact that Irish mortality was below normal a particularly damning dismissal of need for restricitons, as I thought perhaps it was because we just simply hadn't had all that many COVID deaths yet.

But Sweden has had many COVID deaths, there's even a whole threadfull of people on here arguing constantly about how tragically high they are and how Sweden messed up so much compared to Norway. But the reality is Swedish deaths are not high at all for 2020 , for me I can't get around this.
It has completely and utterly changed my opinion on the gravity of this pandemic, this piece of information alone makes me feel as if we have been tracking the common flu for the last 8 months now tbh I feel like a total fool for having had such concern over the whole thing

Can anyone try to rationalise this? I realise some places in the world such as New York and Peru have had astoundingly high excess deaths along with high covid deaths. But why is Sweden's high covid death not leading to any excess death. There is explanation for why places like NY and Peru may have had other causes of high excess deaths, but there is no explanation for why Sweden's large covid death toll has not increased excess deaths. I think this is pretty groundbreaking , but there are still conflicting evidence in other parts of the world that covid can cause very high excess deaths. I'm not totally convinced it's a 'casedemic' , but this revelation has literally pushed within an inch of team Ivor cummins lol

That is incredible from Pfizer, wow

Better than anyone expected. Absolutely huge news from Pfizer this morning. No safety issues observed, full data to follow.

interim efficacy analysis conducted on November 8, 2020 by an external, independent Data Monitoring Committee (DMC) from the Phase 3 clinical study.

https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2020/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-COVID-19-Achieved-Success-in-First-Interim-Analysis-from-Phase-3-Study/default.aspx

"After discussion with the FDA, the companies recently elected to drop the 32-case interim analysis and conduct the first interim analysis at a minimum of 62 cases. Upon the conclusion of those discussions, the evaluable case count reached 94 and the DMC performed its first analysis on all cases. The case split between vaccinated individuals and those who received the placebo indicates a vaccine efficacy rate above 90%, at 7 days after the second dose. This means that protection is achieved 28 days after the initiation of the vaccination"

Massive news from Pfizer.
Fingers crossed there's light at the end of the tunnel !

wakka12 wrote: »

Yes and personally I never found the fact that Irish mortality was below normal a particularly damning dismissal of need for restricitons, as I thought perhaps it was because we just simply hadn't had all that many COVID deaths yet.

But Sweden has had many COVID deaths, there's even a whole threadfull of people on here arguing constantly about how tragically high they are and how Sweden messed up so much compared to Norway. But the reality is Swedish deaths are not high at all for 2020 , for me I can't get around this.
It has completely and utterly changed my opinion on the gravity of this pandemic, this piece of information alone makes me feel as if we have been tracking the common flu for the last 8 months now tbh I feel like a total fool for having had such concern over the whole thing

Can anyone try to rationalise this? I realise some places in the world such as New York and Peru have had astoundingly high excess deaths along with high covid deaths. But why is Sweden's high covid death not leading to any excess death. There is explanation for why places like NY and Peru may have had other causes of high excess deaths, but there is no explanation for why Sweden's large covid death toll has not increased excess deaths. I think this is pretty groundbreaking , but there are still conflicting evidence in other parts of the world that covid can cause very high excess deaths. I'm not totally convinced it's a 'casedemic' , but this revelation has literally pushed within an inch of team Ivor cummins lol

Well when you think about it.. the whole world basically slowed down from March. People world over just stayed in for months. No big events with people drinking. Festivals.. sports events.. any big event really and the massive movements of people every have been restricted. So many businesses closed too and less cars etc on the roads. So no “accidents” really happening like work related deaths.. car deaths.. drink & drug related deaths people fighting from nights out/festivals events etc and just deaths from random things that would happen usually just didn’t happen as often this year as people were stuck in and not doing as much. So if the world went on as it was with covid raging through us all I would definitely imagine that we would of seen a lot more deaths in western countries.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Better than anyone expected. Absolutely huge news from Pfizer this morning. No safety issues observed, full data to follow.

interim efficacy analysis conducted on November 8, 2020 by an external, independent Data Monitoring Committee (DMC) from the Phase 3 clinical study.

https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2020/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-COVID-19-Achieved-Success-in-First-Interim-Analysis-from-Phase-3-Study/default.aspx

"After discussion with the FDA, the companies recently elected to drop the 32-case interim analysis and conduct the first interim analysis at a minimum of 62 cases. Upon the conclusion of those discussions, the evaluable case count reached 94 and the DMC performed its first analysis on all cases. The case split between vaccinated individuals and those who received the placebo indicates a vaccine efficacy rate above 90%, at 7 days after the second dose. This means that protection is achieved 28 days after the initiation of the vaccination"

Brilliant news

RTÉ send a push notification with the great vaccine news and at the very end of the article doom!!!
Covid-19 vaccine proving '90% effective' in trials

Of course RTE have to throw this in at the end of their article:

"The coronavirus vaccine breakthrough comes as a leading public health specialist warned that if a new strain of Covid-19 in mink in Denmark becomes dominant, a lot of the work done to date with vaccines will be "for nothing" and their effectiveness will be reduced."

They really are absolute cnuts

This could be the bit of good news people need. Really pushing on now. I doubt Moderna, J&J and Astrazeneca are far behind tbh.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Every new strain of a virus requires a new vaccine mix to counter it, so while the mink issue is overblown, it must be taken into account when preparations for the rollout are being made.

Not necessarily, no.

The cluster 5 strain deals with a change in the size of the spikes. Some vaccines already work with full sized spikes, so no change is needed.