The Great Big Lawnmower Thread

kaiserrussel · 17-09-2020 7:56pm

deezell wrote: »

You'll likely need to drop the blade to access the clutch mechanism on the shaft next to the engine. Does the cable disappear trough the deck to this area, or is there a visible terminanation of the cable to a mechanism over the deck, which would be handier.

Hi deezal

You are correct the two cables disappear into the deck on the left hand side

deezell · 17-09-2020 8:32pm

kaiserrussel wrote: »

Hi deezal

You are correct the two cables disappear into the deck on the left hand side

The blade clutch may be behind a cover panel over the blade. Drain petrol and tilt the mower on its back end. For the power drive cable it would be similar to the video in the other post. For the blade clutch there would a be round mechanism on the motor shaft, and some kind of lever mechanism to take the cable pull into the clutch drum and compress the plates .
This still from a Honda mower tutorial shows the cable connected into the roto stop clutch. I note there is no adjustment to the cable, its a fixed distance from the cable mount to the lever. If there is no adjustment at the handle end, then either the cable is frayed and stretched, or else the roto stop needs new internal parts. Watch the video, https://youtu.be/yJy88lZE6Ro, it might be similar to yours.

kaiserrussel · 17-09-2020 10:02pm

deezell wrote: »

The blade clutch may be behind a cover panel over the blade. Drain petrol and tilt the mower on its back end. For the power drive cable it would be similar to the video in the other post. For the blade clutch there would a be round mechanism on the motor shaft, and some kind of lever mechanism to take the cable pull into the clutch drum and compress the plates .
This still from a Honda mower tutorial shows the cable connected into the roto stop clutch. I note there is no adjustment to the cable, its a fixed distance from the cable mount to the lever. If there is no adjustment at the handle end, then either the cable is frayed and stretched, or else the roto stop needs new internal parts. Watch the video, https://youtu.be/yJy88lZE6Ro, it might be similar to yours.

Thank You Deezal your knowledge know no bounds - this is going to be a tricky one I think

deezell · 17-09-2020 11:22pm

kaiserrussel wrote: »

Thank You Deezal your knowledge know no bounds - this is going to be a tricky one I think

First check that the cable is sound at both ends, no frayed or broken strands, and that the lever is turning. If the blade is slipping in use then the friction plate is either worn out or baked and polished, or a bit of both, as in the video. Your man is a bit anal, but very precise and methodical. His 25 yr old Honda hasn't a scratch on it, like new, he must bring it to bed with him
Despite his almost OCD approach, there's a few things he shouldn't have done. His friction disk and pressure plate were highly polished from use, and slipping. He sanded these to give them a rough face. The friction disk was well within thickness spec, so he decided not to use his new one. This disk was very old, you could see by its brown colour that the friction pads were well roasted and compromised, hard as glass. They will be glazed and slipping again in no time. He shouldn't be so tight about a €26 once in a lifetime part. Also, you can get both disk and spring+plate for an extra €10, (probably not genuine Honda spares but then brake and clutch parts rarely are.)
Why replace the spring? Well if the clutch was slipping badly over time, the pressure plate in which the spring is recessed would have got very hot, maybe enough to change the temper of spring. If the spring is compromised, your new disk will be shot in no time.
Finally, DON'T wear open toed sandals when operating a mower, unless you like picking metal, wood and stone splinters out from under your toenails, and don't even imagine the consequences of sticking your foot under the deck rim by mistake. Ugh. Steel capped boots are cheap as chips.

Sneachta · 19-09-2020 1:13pm

Does anyone have any experience with the Flymo 1200 R

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00C70LUQ4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2OAJ7377F756P&psc=1

Bedouin79 · 19-09-2020 6:10pm

Lads looking for a recommendation on a good mulcher push mower, ideally mulch only but would consider a 3 in 1 unit as well. This will be mainly for tidy up and hard to reach areas. Second hand or new

kaiserrussel · 19-09-2020 10:50pm

Friend is moving home over the next period of time form the states.
Just asked me did I need or want anything brought home with him!

Had a look at some of the regular garden gear like strummers lawnmower etc

I know there might be differences with parts - not too bothered if there is a good davings,

Does anyone recommend any In particular?

I may take him up on the offer

deezell · 19-09-2020 11:21pm

kaiserrussel wrote: »

Friend is moving home over the next period of time form the states.
Just asked me did I need or want anything brought home with him!

Had a look at some of the regular garden gear like strummers lawnmower etc

I know there might be differences with parts - not too bothered if there is a good davings,

Does anyone recommend any In particular?

I may take him up on the offer

How about this big 22" cut Toro with variable speed drive, $359, a little over €300. Would be twice that here.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Toro-Recycler-22-in-SmartStow-High-Wheel-Variable-Speed-Walk-Behind-Gas-Self-Propelled-Mower-20339/205026227

maestroamado · 20-09-2020 8:00am

where can I buy a grass deflector for a Honda 36inch ride on?

deezell · 20-09-2020 8:14am

maestroamado wrote: »

where can I buy a grass deflector for a Honda 36inch ride on?

A rear deflector? There's generic ones out there that fit most models, like this,

https://www.gardenmachinerydirect.co.uk/accessories-attachments/honda-tractor-grass-deflector.html

maestroamado · 20-09-2020 10:38am

deezell wrote: »

A rear deflector? There's generic ones out there that fit most models, like this,

https://www.gardenmachinerydirect.co.uk/accessories-attachments/honda-tractor-grass-deflector.html

Thanks for that what I want is there..

daniel_t1409 · 20-09-2020 3:45pm

Hi, not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but I have a cylinder push mower and it's not cutting the grass properly. It only cuts some of the grass blades, and the rest are just pushed over by the mower if that makes sense, and not actually cut, giving an uneven cut.. I've tried sharpening the blades but that didn't do much. Does anyone know what the problem is?

Darc19 · 20-09-2020 7:13pm

daniel_t1409 wrote: »

Hi, not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but I have a cylinder push mower and it's not cutting the grass properly. It only cuts some of the grass blades, and the rest are just pushed over by the mower if that makes sense, and not actually cut, giving an uneven cut.. I've tried sharpening the blades but that didn't do much. Does anyone know what the problem is?

My guess is either a couple of blades are buckled or the metal plate where the blades scrape against is not close enough to the blades

daniel_t1409 · 21-09-2020 10:39am

Darc19 wrote: »

the metal plate where the blades scrape against is not close enough to the blades

Thanks, turned out this was the problem. Fixed it and now it's cutting properly

3d4life · 22-09-2020 10:33am

kaiserrussel wrote: »

Friend is moving home over the next period of time form the states.
Just asked me did I need or want anything brought home with him!

Had a look at some of the regular garden gear like strummers lawnmower etc

.....

Off topic aside : as a temporary I bought a rotary with a Honda engine the other week. Was suprised to see a sticker on it suggesting it was not approved for USA and Canada

kaiserrussel · 22-09-2020 2:28pm

3d4life wrote: »

Off topic aside : as a temporary I bought a rotary with a Honda engine the other week. Was suprised to see a sticker on it suggesting it was not approved for USA and Canada

emissions I guess?

stove · 22-09-2020 8:43pm

Hi, just looking for some advice.

Need mower to cut approx 1.5acres. Most is flat with approx a quarter with slopes..some steep enough.

I was considering the Toro timemaster initially but I like the zero turn machines and somebody mentioned the Hustler Raptor. Not great on slopes I hear.

Is there another ZTR that might be more suitable?

Want a machine that will mulch and that is able to cut strong and sometimes wet grass within reason. Thanks

chiefwiggum · 04-10-2020 2:58pm

Hi everyone..I'm just wondering if anyone on here has the husqvarna r214tc rider mower..very interested to hear opinions on them..I would be moving from a honda 2417 mower . I am changing from collecting to mulching down to lawn sizes and a mountain of grass clippings.
I have a friend selling his 3 yr old one.. new prices are about 3700 euro .what kind of depreciation do mowers endure?
Thanks..

kaiserrussel · 24-10-2020 5:15pm

deezell wrote: »

First check that the cable is sound at both ends, no frayed or broken strands, and that the lever is turning. If the blade is slipping in use then the friction plate is either worn out or baked and polished, or a bit of both, as in the video. Your man is a bit anal, but very precise and methodical. His 25 yr old Honda hasn't a scratch on it, like new, he must bring it to bed with him
Despite his almost OCD approach, there's a few things he shouldn't have done. His friction disk and pressure plate were highly polished from use, and slipping. He sanded these to give them a rough face. The friction disk was well within thickness spec, so he decided not to use his new one. This disk was very old, you could see by its brown colour that the friction pads were well roasted and compromised, hard as glass. They will be glazed and slipping again in no time. He shouldn't be so tight about a €26 once in a lifetime part. Also, you can get both disk and spring+plate for an extra €10, (probably not genuine Honda spares but then brake and clutch parts rarely are.)
Why replace the spring? Well if the clutch was slipping badly over time, the pressure plate in which the spring is recessed would have got very hot, maybe enough to change the temper of spring. If the spring is compromised, your new disk will be shot in no time.
Finally, DON'T wear open toed sandals when operating a mower, unless you like picking metal, wood and stone splinters out from under your toenails, and don't even imagine the consequences of sticking your foot under the deck rim by mistake. Ugh. Steel capped boots are cheap as chips.

I bought the cables to fix this so going to give it a shot searched around but couldn’t find anything specifically for the mower model but this is insightful Deezall

Bluefoam · 25-10-2020 6:31am

Just ordered a Makita 382z... I have batteries already. I've only two relatively small areas of lawn and have found the inconvenience of an electric mower to be a disincentive to just running the mower...

TBH I'm looking forward to having a mini garden ecosystem based on battery appliances...

Zardoz · 25-10-2020 1:15pm

deezell wrote: »

How about this big 22" cut Toro with variable speed drive, $359, a little over €300. Would be twice that here.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Toro-Recycler-22-in-SmartStow-High-Wheel-Variable-Speed-Walk-Behind-Gas-Self-Propelled-Mower-20339/205026227

I'm looking at buying a similar Toro lawnmower in Ireland and its 570 euro here , which is nearly twice that price.:mad:

deezell · 25-10-2020 2:54pm

Zardoz wrote: »

I'm looking at buying a similar Toro lawnmower in Ireland and its 570 euro here , which is nearly twice that price.:mad:

On the other hand, stick your toe in the mower here, and you'll pay. €100 for A&E, do that in the US without insurance, you'll need to remortgage your house.

Zardoz · 25-10-2020 3:29pm

deezell wrote: »

On the other hand, stick your toe in the mower here, and you'll pay. €100 for A&E, do that in the US without insurance, you'll need to remortgage your house.

You'd wonder though if they can sell it for that price in the US how much does it cost to manufacture and what corners are cut in manufacturing and materials.

deezell · 25-10-2020 3:45pm

Zardoz wrote: »

You'd wonder though if they can sell it for that price in the US how much does it cost to manufacture and what corners are cut in manufacturing and materials.

Well, not manufacturing it in the US is one of the biggest corners. Toro US mostly manufactures it's commercial products, it farms out the budget consumer models to MTD, who in turn manufacture for them and other big names including Massey Ferguson, in various plants including Hungary and good ole China. Who knows what path a Toro mower takes to get here, whither there are tarrifs and customs applied, but goods are sold at what the market will bear, you expect to pay near €600 for a branded 22" mower, so that's what you pay, even if it leaves China for $100.

have2flushtwice · 07-11-2020 8:37am

I have a husqvarna lt12.5 ride on with a Kawasaki lv400v engine. The carb is gone but everything else is fine on it.
I can't find a carb online.
Anyone know where to get one?

blackbox · 07-11-2020 11:03am

have2flushtwice wrote: »

I have a husqvarna lt12.5 ride on with a Kawasaki lv400v engine. The carb is gone but everything else is fine on it.
I can't find a carb online.
Anyone know where to get one?

Do you have the exact model number of the mower?

deezell · 07-11-2020 12:31pm

Or better still, a pic of the engine ID badge, should be stuck on the engine cover to the side. Mower parts book often show the engine as just a picture, with seperate leaflets supplied with the mower identifying the various engines that might be fitted.

have2flushtwice · 07-11-2020 12:32pm

Here's a pic I took.
Not near the mower now

deezell · 07-11-2020 12:38pm

So here's one expensive replacement, but it give You a model no. to search. You might find a generic equivalent
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/carburetorasm-p-422725.html

deezell · 07-11-2020 12:40pm

€30
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154128099451

Blues14 · 08-11-2020 9:47am

Does anyone know of anyone near loughrea that services ride on lawnmowers?

deezell · 08-11-2020 12:37pm

Blues14 wrote: »

Does anyone know of anyone near loughrea that services ride on lawnmowers?

https://whelansgarage.com/

Morrisey Sales & Repairs
Mannin, Craughwell, Co. Galway,
091 846157

https://www.gerrycroffey.ie/find-us.html

Darando · 05-12-2020 12:05am

Wondering if now a good time to find any deals to purchase a new mower for garden, 10x25m size. Any suggestions or deals around of last year stock?

Bedouin79 · 05-12-2020 8:50am

Anybody feedback on weibang mowers tempted with their 3 in 1 or the straight mulcher

deezell · 05-12-2020 10:43am

Bedouin79 wrote: »

Anybody feedback on weibang mowers tempted with their 3 in 1 or the straight mulcher

High end commercial brand, used a lot by landscapers and local authorities, robust no nonsense looking machines, big distributor depot in Portarlington. €649 for an 18" mulcher sounds like not much mower for the money, but it's probably able to outrun a 21" consumer 3 in 1 mower in mulch mode by a mile. You'll buy this 21" aluminium deck Castelgarden 3 in 1 XA50S for €100 less,
https://monaghanhire.com/collections/castelgarden-lawnmowers/products/castelgarden-xa50s-21-aluminium-deck
but If mulching is your thing, you might find it underpowered compared to a dedicated machine. The Weibang is almost 10kg heavier, so its build quality is not in question. Made for rough handling.

Bedouin79 · 05-12-2020 9:58pm

deezell wrote: »

High end commercial brand, used a lot by landscapers and local authorities, robust no nonsense looking machines, big distributor depot in Portarlington. €649 for an 18" mulcher sounds like not much mower for the money, but it's probably able to outrun a 21" consumer 3 in 1 mower in mulch mode by a mile. You'll buy this 21" aluminium deck Castelgarden 3 in 1 XA50S for €100 less,
https://monaghanhire.com/collections/castelgarden-lawnmowers/products/castelgarden-xa50s-21-aluminium-deck
but If mulching is your thing, you might find it underpowered compared to a dedicated machine. The Weibang is almost 10kg heavier, so its build quality is not in question. Made for rough handling.

Excellent thanks for that

Rayc3139 · 04-01-2021 4:47pm

Hi all, I recently purchased a ride on. it will be used in the west of Ireland with salty air / grass. would anyone recommend a paint to be put on the under deck before first use ??

deezell · 04-01-2021 4:56pm

Rayc3139 wrote: »

Hi all, I recently purchased a ride on. it will be used in the west of Ireland with salty air / grass. would anyone recommend a paint to be put on the under deck before first use ??

Rustins, Triflo, Hammerite. Triflo 1L great value in Woodies this minute
https://www.woodies.ie/paint-decorating/specialist-paint/metal-care/triflow-1-litre-metal-care-for-gates-and-railings-red-628917

TPMP · 06-01-2021 11:18pm

deezell wrote: »

High end commercial brand, used a lot by landscapers and local authorities, robust no nonsense looking machines, big distributor depot in Portarlington. €649 for an 18" mulcher sounds like not much mower for the money, but it's probably able to outrun a 21" consumer 3 in 1 mower in mulch mode by a mile. You'll buy this 21" aluminium deck Castelgarden 3 in 1 XA50S for €100 less,
https://monaghanhire.com/collections/castelgarden-lawnmowers/products/castelgarden-xa50s-21-aluminium-deck
but If mulching is your thing, you might find it underpowered compared to a dedicated machine. The Weibang is almost 10kg heavier, so its build quality is not in question. Made for rough handling.

I'm looking at getting a mulching lawnmower but have absolutely no idea on general price and quality. Is the link you posted above a good price for a mulching lawnmower? Are there cheaper ones out there?

deezell · 07-01-2021 6:31am

TPMP wrote: »

I'm looking at getting a mulching lawnmower but have absolutely no idea on general price and quality. Is the link you posted above a good price for a mulching lawnmower? Are there cheaper ones out there?

A dedicated mulch mower has specific blades for the job and deck aerodynamics optimised for the recutting of the grass and even depositing of the mulch back onto the cut surface. The extra power required to mulch well and drive the mulch into the thatch would ideally require a higher power to cut width ratio. Collector mowers with a mulch function are a compromise, but work as long as you don't expect commercial or dedicated mulcher mower performance. Dedicated mulchers tend to appear expensive, given that they're not as mass produced, and would be bought for commercial use, with more robust construction and higher power ratio. Shop around, but dont dismiss 3 in 1 either, I've seen perfect results from a little 18" Homelite mower, used in a typical small semi garden, once you cut often and not too low. Equally, I've seen awful results from a 21" bagger in mulch mode, struggling to clear the cut grass, straining the engine, clogging and depositing big lumps.
Heres an affordable 20" manual push mulcher/side discharge mower from Brodericks in Rathcoole, €389
http://www.adverts.ie/21229167

TPMP · 07-01-2021 7:18pm

deezell wrote: »

A dedicated mulch mower has specific blades for the job and deck aerodynamics optimised for the recutting of the grass and even depositing of the mulch back onto the cut surface. The extra power required to mulch well and drive the mulch into the thatch would ideally require a higher power to cut width ratio. Collector mowers with a mulch function are a compromise, but work as long as you don't expect commercial or dedicated mulcher mower performance. Dedicated mulchers tend to appear expensive, given that they're not as mass produced, and would be bought for commercial use, with more robust construction and higher power ratio. Shop around, but dont dismiss 3 in 1 either, I've seen perfect results from a little 18" Homelite mower, used in a typical small semi garden, once you cut often and not too low. Equally, I've seen awful results from a 21" bagger in mulch mode, struggling to clear the cut grass, straining the engine, clogging and depositing big lumps.
Heres an affordable 20" manual push mulcher/side discharge mower from Brodericks in Rathcoole, €389
http://www.adverts.ie/21229167

Thanks a mill for the response. It's a bit daunting shopping around for something I don't know anything about but i'll keep the above in mind.

08-01-2021 3:37pm

Guy's, can anyone tell me if I should be looking at something other than a Honda HRG466SKEP mower, tennis court sized garden, is the price what I should be expecting or overkill? Mulching isn't a deal breaker, once it's self propelled I'm happy, just a friend recommended the above mower but I'd like other opinions, thanks

deezell · 08-01-2021 4:54pm

5500 wrote: »

Guy's, can anyone tell me if I should be looking at something other than a Honda HRG466SKEP mower, tennis court sized garden, is the price what I should be expecting or overkill? Mulching isn't a deal breaker, once it's self propelled I'm happy, just a friend recommended the above mower but I'd like other opinions, thanks

18" cut more than enough for a tennis court sized lawn. If you want to spend €600, go ahead. For little over half that price you could get this same spec fairly robust Mountfield,
https://www.screwfix.ie/p/mountfield-sp185-46cm-125cc-self-propelled-rotary-petrol-lawn-mower/220fy,
or splash the same amount on this top end rechargeable EGO, https://www.lawnmowerworld.ie/product/ego-56v-battery-cordless-lawnmower-lm1701sp/ , and keep the green party happy. When all the petrol cars are banned, where will we get fuel for mowers? They'll be banned also more like.
Honda are high end pricewise, with that little to cut, that mower will outlive you.

TPMP · 08-01-2021 9:33pm

deezell wrote: »

18" cut more than enough for a tennis court sized lawn. If you want to spend €600, go ahead. For little over half that price you could get this same spec fairly robust Mountfield,
https://www.screwfix.ie/p/mountfield-sp185-46cm-125cc-self-propelled-rotary-petrol-lawn-mower/220fy,
or splash the same amount on this top end rechargeable EGO, https://www.lawnmowerworld.ie/product/ego-56v-battery-cordless-lawnmower-lm1701sp/ , and keep the green party happy. When all the petrol cars are banned, where will we get fuel for mowers? They'll be banned also more like.
Honda are high end pricewise, with that little to cut, that mower will outlive you.

I like the look of that Mountfield. I've been doing research on lawnmowers today and came across the link below. How would that compare to the Mountfield? Is there much of a difference? To be fair, my garden is probably tennis court size so I'm thinking perhaps it's a little overkill? Is it worth the extra few bob compared to the Mountfield?

https://www.gardenmachinery.ie/lawn-mowers/herkules-self-propelled-21-mower.html

Many thanks in advance for any and all help..I do really appreciate it.

Edited to say I'd primarily be looking to use the mulcher.

deezell · 09-01-2021 12:48am

TPMP wrote: »

I like the look of that Mountfield. I've been doing research on lawnmowers today and came across the link below. How would that compare to the Mountfield? Is there much of a difference? To be fair, my garden is probably tennis court size so I'm thinking perhaps it's a little overkill? Is it worth the extra few bob compared to the Mountfield?

https://www.gardenmachinery.ie/lawn-mowers/herkules-self-propelled-21-mower.html

Many thanks in advance for any and all help..I do really appreciate it.

Edited to say I'd primarily be looking to use the mulcher.

It won't take you long to mow your virtual tennis court with this. At fastest walking speed this mower will cut about 2500 m2 in an hour, a tennis court is about 250 m2, so... 6 minutes. A bit more if you've lot of turns and obstacles. It's a decent enough big 53cm Chinese generic mower, variable speed, big capacity pattern engine (the engine in the Mountfield is a Briggs and Stratton). Put against the Honda, bit like a Dacia v a BMW, (though Beamer was the most major ticket trouble brand I ever owned). It'll be a heavy enough mower to be swinging around the many direction changes in a small site, whopping 40kg v 25kg for the Mountfield. You really don't need this monster. You'd be less taxed with a small push mower, 40-46cm cut, or self propelled if you really need it.

09-01-2021 12:57am

deezell wrote: »

18" cut more than enough for a tennis court sized lawn. If you want to spend €600, go ahead. For little over half that price you could get this same spec fairly robust Mountfield,
https://www.screwfix.ie/p/mountfield-sp185-46cm-125cc-self-propelled-rotary-petrol-lawn-mower/220fy,
or splash the same amount on this top end rechargeable EGO, https://www.lawnmowerworld.ie/product/ego-56v-battery-cordless-lawnmower-lm1701sp/ , and keep the green party happy. When all the petrol cars are banned, where will we get fuel for mowers? They'll be banned also more like.
Honda are high end pricewise, with that little to cut, that mower will outlive you.

Thanks for that, i had hoped to pay less than the honda so Mountfield should do the trick. No stock showing anywhere with screwfix at the moment but I'll keep an eye on it

deezell · 09-01-2021 2:14am

5500 wrote: »

Thanks for that, i had hoped to pay less than the honda so Mountfield should do the trick. No stock showing anywhere with screwfix at the moment but I'll keep an eye on it

Heres an EU site based in Italy, once popular here in its Uk version. Don't use the English one, it's f***d due to brexit. I've selected 46cm B&S self propelled in this link, use Googke translate in the browser.
https://www.agrieuro.com/tagliaerba-scoppio-c-2_1809.html#tech1099=da%2045%20a%2047%20cm&tech1098=trazione%20posteriore&tech1015=Briggs%26Stratton&sort=price-asc
Alpina are Stiga, italian owned brand, decent value even with delivery to ireland.

TPMP · 09-01-2021 9:56am

Deezell thanks a million for your help.

TPMP · 09-01-2021 1:08pm

I ended up purchasing the below using the website Deezell suggested. Seems to have got pretty good reviews and very reasonable.

https://www.agrieuro.co.uk/geotech-pro-s53-225-bmsgw-self-propelled-petrol-lawn-mower-224-cc-4-in-1-53-cm-cutting-width-p-16622.html

deezell · 09-01-2021 2:36pm

TPMP wrote: »

I ended up purchasing the below using the website Deezell suggested. Seems to have got pretty good reviews and very reasonable.

https://www.agrieuro.co.uk/geotech-pro-s53-225-bmsgw-self-propelled-petrol-lawn-mower-224-cc-4-in-1-53-cm-cutting-width-p-16622.html

Plenty of mower for the money. Note that agrieuro UK site (currently not delivering to UK due to Brexit own goal), does not list the Stiga group mowers, (Castelgarden, Alpina, Stiga), probably due to some UK distributor monolopy, so if you want a bigger choice, use agrieuro.com, the italian parent. No fecking around with customs etc, no danger of your mower somehow going to or through UK and ending up in Dover for the summer, or with a customs charge if it was deemed a UK transaction.

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