US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

terryduff12 · 08-11-2020 02:35AM

Good to some some mail in voters show up

everlast75 · 08-11-2020 02:38AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, not bitter at all. Remember, I voted for the guy who won.

(And I've had a bounty on my head before. Apparently I was only worth about $20USD to an Iraqi.)

It's the hyperbole which I'm commenting upon. Go back four years, see what I was posting. Lots of folks are going "Oh my God, worst thing ever", and I'm saying "Meh. It's not that bad, he's limited by what Congress sends him."

My faith in the US system of government has been described on here as naive or misguided, and likely a couple other terms I cannot recall. Well, it goes both ways. Trump wins, I say "Well, that's the way the country works". Biden wins, I say "Well, that's the way the country works". Big deal. Bush Jr was elected to the horror of many, the US kept ticking over, regardless of how evil, idiotic, draft-dodging etc it was claimed he was. Obama was elected, most significant president ever, it proved that racism was a thing of the past. Well, we know how well that worked out.

Well, good for Biden. It'll be nice to have someone Presidential in the White House again, and I wish him luck. The man isn't the second coming of Christ and, last I checked, the US seems to have survived four years of Trump, who didn't do very much that Congress didn't send to him to sign. I strongly suspect it would have survived eight years as well.

At this rate, the "Battle for the Soul of the Country" is going to be succeeded by "The battle for the Heart and Soul both of the Country", and whatever else after that. It just keeps getting more and more dramatic. Meanwhile, the US system of government remains intact, as it has for the last century and a half.

You appear to be downplaying the stresses and strains placed on the system of government.

Yes, it held. But at what cost?

The litany of Trump egregious abuses are too long to list. If it wasn't for astute politics of Pelosi, Trump may have shut down the government for far longer. That was down to her, not the inherent system.

The impeachment process was a debacle. The system failed the people.

The investigation was hamstrung by the system.

Whether you like to admit it or not, Trump got away with far more than he should of. He exposed those "norms" taken for granted.

The OLC memo.

The pardon mechanism.

He stressed tested "the system" and it was exposed for its weaknesses, which should be remedied immediately.

Just because the US survived, it doesn't mean "things are rosy" with the branches government.

Ignore the need for change at your peril.

timeToLive · 08-11-2020 02:39AM

Is there going to be a massive covid outbreak after this?

The Iron Giant · 08-11-2020 02:43AM

timeToLive wrote: »

Is there going to be a massive covid outbreak after this?

Most are wearing masks it seems but there are certainly swathes without.

I would say that unfortunately cases are going to rise significantly after this.

everlast75 · 08-11-2020 02:43AM

timeToLive wrote: »

Is there going to be a massive covid outbreak after this?

At the rate Trump has people infected, apart from the 230,000 dead, they're probably immune.

Anyhoo, Court news in Arizona...

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1325220331758505984?s=19

valoren · 08-11-2020 02:43AM

To listen to articulate and intelligent statements is so utterly refreshing.

The Iron Giant · 08-11-2020 02:46AM

valoren wrote: »

To listen to articulate and intelligent statements is so utterly refreshing.

It really is. The positivity is so nice to hear for a change.

Massive challenges ahead of course but it's so refreshing as you say to have a speech not founded on lies, anger, hate or boasting.

Psychedelic Hedgehog · 08-11-2020 02:46AM

Aspersions have been cast on his cognitive abilities. I hope to God I have a fraction of his when I reach his age.

Phoebas · 08-11-2020 02:47AM

I think we can put the 'Sleepy Joe' moniker to bed now.

signostic · 08-11-2020 02:47AM

The world will now be able to trust America again after the Trump debacle. His betrayal of the Kurds was appalling, the Peshmerga lost 10,000 soldiers in the fight against ISIS only to have Trump withdraw USA troops fighting ISIS alongside them to allow the Kurds to be invaded by Turkey.
It was a disgusting chapter in American history.

The Iron Giant · 08-11-2020 02:49AM

It's great that Anthony Fauci will finally get the support, platform and resources he deserves to address and combat the coronavirus.

timeToLive · 08-11-2020 02:50AM

Phoebas wrote: »

I think we can put the 'Sleepy Joe' moniker to bed now.

Powerful speech so far - and he ran out

murpho999 · 08-11-2020 02:55AM

Some speech.

Very confident and assertive.

To me it's like the country saying that's enough of the crap of the last 4 years.

paul71 · 08-11-2020 02:56AM

That speech is the difference between someone who reads Seamus Heaney and a previous president who reads Donald Duck.

letowski · 08-11-2020 02:57AM

Great speech by Biden!

Kermit.de.frog · 08-11-2020 02:57AM

Such a refreshingly excellent speech from what passed for "speeches" before.

murpho999 · 08-11-2020 02:58AM

Great to see the mask wearing message being sent out but they don't seem to have grasped social distancing.

AMKC · 08-11-2020 02:58AM

paul71 wrote: »

That speech is the difference between someone who reads Seamus Heaney and a previous president who reads Donald Duck.

And the bible. Joe actually has read the bible and knows what it says unlike fake Trump who never did and just pretended to.

ballsymchugh · 08-11-2020 03:00AM

this drone light show is pretty cool

paul71 · 08-11-2020 03:01AM

AMKC wrote: »

And the bible. Joe actually has reed the bible and knows what it says unlike fake Trump who never did and just pretended to.

It was powerful, Sleepy Joe my arse, I did not know he had that in him.

signostic · 08-11-2020 03:01AM

Joe has begun to look younger already...

FatherTed · 08-11-2020 03:02AM

Great speech, lots of togetherness talk. Quite refreshing.

interlocked · 08-11-2020 03:03AM

So much for "Sleepy Joe"

Such an articulate speech, Trump couldn't spell it out with his fingers.

Itssoeasy · 08-11-2020 03:04AM

Well that was nice to hear. Kamala Harris gave a very good speech and if I’m as lucid and healthy as joe Biden when I’m 77 I’ll take it. Also, at end when their families came on stage the contrast between these families and the trumps was night and day because the Bidens seemed like they actually love each other.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-11-2020 03:06AM

Only two American presidents have been catholic - JFK and Biden, both of Irish descent.

Maybe the Italian's haven't been sending their best?

murpho999 · 08-11-2020 03:07AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well that was nice to hear. Kamala Harris gave a very good speech and if I’m as lucid and healthy as joe Biden when I’m 77 I’ll take it. Also, at end when their families came on stage the contrast between these families and the trumps was night and day because the Bidens seemed like they actually love each other.

I don't know why it is but over the years it just seems that Democrats seem to be nicer and more grounded people than Republicans.

Makes no sense to me why it is that way.

Mr.Nice Guy · 08-11-2020 03:07AM

He addressed the right points. I agree he looks a lot better too. He must be so relieved the circus show antics are over and he can now deal with grown-ups.

Very refreshing to hear a Presidential speech that doesn't resort to taking shots at opponents. I'd forgotten what they were like.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-11-2020 03:08AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

He addressed the right points. I agree he looks a lot better too. He must be so relieved the circus show antics are over and he can now deal with grown-ups.

Very refreshing to hear a Presidential speech that doesn't resort to taking shots at opponents. I'd forgotten what they were like.

The biggest thing for me is just the projection of competence. Almost forgot what it sounded like.

paul71 · 08-11-2020 03:08AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Only two American presidents have been catholic - JFK and Biden, both of Irish descent.

Maybe the Italian's haven't been sending their best?

I know all JFKs Greatgrandparents were Irish, I think Biden said he has 5 out of 8 of his were, I wonder if the others may have been Italian.

murpho999 · 08-11-2020 03:09AM

Also interesting that he didn't mention Trump or voting fraud allegations at all. Just not giving them any oxygen at all.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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