Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

km991148 wrote: »

I don't agree with that interpretation of events tbh

He got some things right, but a broken clock is right twice a day.
But my point is - I think it's beneficial to not get bogged down in Trump any more. He's gone. We could argue all day about good Vs bad, we might convince each other about some points, but generally, probably not.

What IS important is what appealed about him. What was missing. Why do people feel he resonated (again ignoring the argument of whether or not he cared) and what can be done to improve the situation.

Similarly, Trump definitely did destroy lots of parts of society. Trump fans have to try and understand that it's not acceptable to disown the media* etc they too represent the views of real people and u can't all be 'fake' just because the message is different.



There are major issues with journalism, but no where near what has been painted for Trumps gain.

Yes I didn't mean to get too deep into the 'what has he done' just trying to make the point that it wasn't pure bluster hence the result of this election wasn't as bad despite him being hit with once-in-a-century plague & pestilence.

I know Trump did damage but I'm telling you the major issues with journalism are not something that can be addressed, it's such a deep rot. I remember back when he said the press is the enemy of the people I had the same reaction as most knowing the significance of the phrase and being like 'oh f*ck here we go' However, over the years I've realised just how right he was. Two things can be true, it is dangerous to say it and it can also be true.

Now if I come across as an unreasonable zealot to you then so be it, but that's my opinion now - and it's the opinion of anyone I've seen that is in any way supportive of him as well as a big chunk of people in the bernie/populist camp on the left.

https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/1325141204418191361?s=20

If you want to throw around accusations of being a perv, it's no contest.

https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-ivanka-inappropriate-daughter-9594016

And these were only the times he was publicly inappropriate with his own daughter, never mind other women, bragging about grabbing 'em by the pussy, 'accidentally' wandering into the beauty pageant dressing rooms while the girls were changing (at least one underage), multiple rape allegations, including one by his ex-wife Ivana.

py2006 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/1325141204418191361?s=20

Too perfect

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is the ridiculous Irish response to this election out of hatred for Trump or a weird love for America?

It is frankly beyond cringe some of the stuff at this stage.

How is it ridiculous ? Many Irish people, including myself have scores of family and friends in the US, enjoy visiting for holidays abd for business and in addition are acutely aware of the influence and negative impact he’s had on his country, it’s people, it’s reputation globally and the problems he’s overseeing and influencing at home and abroad ... look at the fûcking election for christ sake... you never saw scores of gun nuts with Clinton, Romney, Bush, Obama T-shirts with M-16’s outside polling stations. They are there for Donald Trump and because of him... it’s anti democratic, it’s dangerous, it’s an attempt to bully and intimidate.... 1000% in the Trump style....the people have had enough of that, as he and his mob are finding out.

CFlat wrote: »

I've been dropping in and out of Fox today cause it's the only American news network I can access and since Biden was called as President elect they have been far from critical of Biden and even wished him and Kamala wishes and have made plenty of negative comments as to how Trump ran his campaign. I always thought they were a mad pro republican station but not getting that vibe off them.

It's probably simply because Murdoch has no further use for Trump, and has made it known to those running Fox.

briany wrote: »

I have serious concerns that he won't admit to having lost the election and if he doesn't do that then the logical follow-on is to proclaim himself President-in-Exile with his office not in the White House but at the top floor of Trump Tower. And then if the DoJ comes after him on the various charges he's facing, he can say it's an attempt by the deep state to round up its political enemies starting with the top man himself. If his supporters subscribe to the current paper-thin conspiracy about mail-in voter fraud then they'll certainly subscribe to the scenario I've laid out.

I would say the incoming administration could try to ignore this craziness and moronity but there are too many of them.

Ah c'mon, I know he's taking it badly and all but... we keep hearing about the violence of his supporters. I'm not being combative but if it was the other way round cities would be being looted and riots would be going on. Even when he was ahead the other night some Trump supporters got stabbed in DC. I'm not ruling out some crazy stuff from his supporters, it's a highly tense situation but I feel he will do some flapping in the court and then go off in a huff.

I was wrong about the election result so maybe I'll be wrong again, not exactly on a roll

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1321807498492354561?s=20

https://twitter.com/schmidtsam7/status/1325148092228804614


oooh now thats a fck you

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Yes I didn't mean to get too deep into the 'what has he done' just trying to make the point that it wasn't pure bluster hence the result of this election wasn't as bad despite him being hit with once-in-a-century plague & pestilence.

I know Trump did damage but I'm telling you the major issues with journalism are not something that can be addressed, it's such a deep rot. I remember back when he said the press is the enemy of the people I had the same reaction as most knowing the significance of the phrase and being like 'oh f*ck here we go' However, over the years I've realised just how right he was. Two things can be true, it is dangerous to say it and it can also be true.

Now if I come across as an unreasonable zealot to you then so be it, but that's my opinion now - and it's the opinion of anyone I've seen that is in any way supportive of him as well as a big chunk of people in the bernie camp on the left.

I don't want to get too deep into journalism, but here goes lol:

There seems to be a lot if career journalist that trot out the daily press release of the gov and not much more.
The press secretaries and spin doctors have been playing them for years. It leads the reporters (I'll use that instead of journalists) to go down the FOMO route.. fear of missing out being invited to the party.. no more future press releases and no more career title 'senior Fox/BBC reporter' or whatever.

At the same time, real journalism had been in decline. Investigative journalism just doesn't pay the bills anymore.

Add to this a rise in clickbait to sell online copy.

Then on top of that, social media and very aggressive business models have totally skewed what people consume as news.

All these problems exist and this has been exploited by people like Trump. The media isn't fake, but it is in decline and the decline plays well into Trumps narrative.

Couple that with the technology point. Data scientist can calculate mass manipulation ad campaigns. When you begin to understand that, the picture starts to come together.

That last bit is tough because most people just don't understand social media (including Google searches and YouTube), how recommendation engines work and how the funding model actively works against us to ensure we get caught deeply in our own biases.

Great trolling by Joe...."we just did".

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85603 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/schmidtsam7/status/1325148092228804614


oooh now thats a fck you

He didn’t need all that, one sheet to get rid of another sheet.

Strumms wrote: »

How is it ridiculous ? Many Irish people, including myself have scores of family and friends in the US, enjoy visiting for holidays abd for business and in addition are acutely aware of the influence and negative impact he’s had on his country, it’s people, it’s reputation globally and the problems he’s overseeing and influencing at home and abroad ... look at the fûcking election for christ sake... you never saw scores of gun nuts with Clinton, Romney, Bush, Obama T-shirts with M-16’s outside polling stations. They are there for Donald Trump and because of him... it’s anti democratic, it’s dangerous, it’s an attempt to bully and intimidate.... 1000% in the Trump style....the people have had enough of that, as he and his mob are finding out.

America obviously our most committed and powerful ally, sure why would we care?

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Ah c'mon, I know he's taking it badly and all but... we keep hearing about the violence of his supporters. I'm not being combative but if it was the other way round cities would be being looted and riots would be going on. Even when he was ahead the other night some Trump supporters got stabbed in DC. I'm not ruling out some crazy stuff from his supporters, it's a highly tense situation but I feel he will do some flapping in the court and then go off in a huff.

I was wrong about the election result so maybe I'll be wrong again, not exactly on a roll

Trump has a hard time letting things go. Losing the election has to be the greatest failure of his professional life. Worse than mere failure, in fact. He *lost*. He can't handle losing. He must find an explanation, a scapegoat, a way to process it, something that puts him on top even just in his own mind. He has a potential 70 million supporters. Doubtful each one of them will back him up, but even half of that would be a massive amount of people. He's not going to jack in all that adulation to huff off quietly into the night. Interesting times ahead, I think, although I'd prefer boring times for a change. Things have been just a bit too interesting lately.

look i'm all for unity and in most cases, taking the moral highground, being the bigger person etc etc

but trump really is a special case. a genuine sociopathic monster who accidentally became president while trying to promote himself and then pissed all over the office and the people of america, and indeed the world. he literally cares only about himself, craves adoration no matter where it comes from, quite happy to be a symbol to white supremacists and other far right scum.

it is right and proper to mock him and humiliate him.

**** that guy.