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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #1142
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    gmisk wrote: »
    That's not what you said, that was
    "It also claims poll watchers were allowed observe the counts in both cities, which is itself false."

    Agreed poll watchers were allowed they were asked to keep a 6 foot distance due to this whole you know pandemic that is going on you might have heard of it.
    To note there were a record number of cases yesterday in the USA under Trump's watch btw.

    They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

    That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?


  • #1143
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,598 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    km991148 wrote: »
    Not s chance.

    Like I say, 50 quid on if he admits defeat without blaming the whole world, will probably double it if he does anything congratulatory towards Biden (and I'd include attendance in that).

    We are moving towards a point in the next few hours where Trump's acceptance or not of the reality will cease to matter.

    Ideally and usually what would be happening at this point is Trump graciously conceding defeat, using his remaining campaign money to keep his legal teams ticking over in protection of his interests while giving a short and calming speech.

    Trump's refusal to do that creates uncertainty and an illusion that the race is in doubt. It isn't. He has lost. So eventually the networks and press projection desks will call this; Biden will make an acceptance speech; engage a transition team; start acting like the President elect. Trump's acceptance or not of the real world at that point will be outflanked.


  • #1144
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    gmisk wrote: »
    Outstanding lol.

    I get the feeling he won't be on twitter much longer when his special status as president is gone.





    He’s an embarrassment to mankind.an ignorant imbecile of the highest order to be carrying on like that


  • #1145
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Maybe because Trump's neice, who has a Phd in psychology, has made such a diagnosis and is more than qualified enough to do so.





    To say you haven't a leg to stand on would be putting it mildly.

    I'm not entirely sure how to discuss his behaviour outside the context of at least one, if not several, severe personality disorders.

    I will stick to discussing his behaviour and it's consistency with these disorders as those are facts (his behaviour is consistent and there are published works to verify this).

    If the mods feel this is unreasonable then I would like to know how this subject can be safely discussed.


  • #1146
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    We are moving towards a point in the next few hours where Trump's acceptance or not of the reality will cease to matter.

    Ideally and usually what would be happening at this point is Trump graciously conceding defeat, using his remaining campaign money to keep his legal teams ticking over in protection of his interests while giving a short and calming speech.

    Trump's refusal to do that creates uncertainty and an illusion that the race is in doubt. It isn't. He has lost. So eventually the networks and press projection desks will call this; Biden will make an acceptance speech; engage a transition team; start acting like the President elect. Trump's acceptance or not of the real world at that point will be outflanked.

    Oh absolutely, I'm just saying you won't hear any if that coming from Trumps mouth.


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  • #1147
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

    That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?

    They were allowed at all times but were asked to move back. They went to court to get moved back to 6ft. The conspiracy theory being put out by Trump and his supporters that they were not allowed into the count centre at all is BS and extremely dangerous.

    I mean you can literally watch the count being live streamed on line at all times FFS!


  • #1148
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    They were allowed at all times but were asked to move back. They went to court to get moved back to 6ft. The conspiracy theory being put out by Trump and his supporters that they were not allowed into the count centre at all is BS and extremely dangerous.

    I mean you can literally watch the count being live streamed on line at all times FFS!

    I never said that so I don't know what you're talking about conspiracy theories.

    The city of Philadelphia appealed the decision that Quin Dub referred to and last I heard it was going to the Supreme Court.


  • #1149
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    They were allowed at all times but were asked to move back. They went to court to get moved back to 6ft. The conspiracy theory being put out by Trump and his supporters that they were not allowed into the count centre at all is BS and extremely dangerous.

    I mean you can literally watch the count being live streamed on line at all times FFS!


    Trump's lawyers admitted that they were allowed in.
    https://twitter.com/kadhim/status/1324485343274557443
    This is just a disinformation campaign from Trump and people are falling for it.


  • #1150
    baaba maal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭baaba maal


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

    That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?

    They had the exact same conditions of attendance as the Dem observers and this was tweaked minimally to allow them (all) get a bit closer- why do you keep returning to this as if it is significant?

    The only way it would be significant is if the Reps were coming out of the count centre with cases of fraud- and you know that they haven't. They got the tweak they wanted and it hasn't resulted in a single case of voter fraud being discovered.


  • #1151
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I never said that so I don't know what you're talking about conspiracy theories.

    The city of Philadelphia appealed the decision that Quin Dub referred to and last I heard it was going to the Supreme Court.

    So you accept observers were present at all times but the dispute is over how close to the count staff they could get?


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  • #1152
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,436 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

    That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?
    Your moving the goal posts...yet....again.
    The agreed procedures were followed and observers were allowed in. They then wanted the distance reduced to 6 foot. The count was stopped, that change was eventually allowed.
    Even though it probably shouldn't have been imo given the fact there is a pandemic.

    Trump and his team are literally grasping at straws for anything. It is not and will not work.
    https://www.dw.com/en/dw-fact-check-debunking-election-misinformation-online/a-55507603


  • #1153
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,436 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Trump's lawyers admitted that they were allowed in.
    https://twitter.com/kadhim/status/1324485343274557443
    This is just a disinformation campaign from Trump and people are falling for it.
    Non zero number....christ what a dope!


  • #1154
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,050 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    km991148 wrote: »
    I'm not entirely sure how to discuss his behaviour outside the context of at least one, if not several, severe personality disorders.

    I will stick to discussing his behaviour and it's consistency with these disorders as those are facts (his behaviour is consistent and there are published works to verify this).

    If the mods feel this is unreasonable then I would like to know how this subject can be safely discussed.

    Sorry, I was addressing the first comment I quoted and misinterpreted it . You were perfectly right to state narcissistic personality disorder as at least three people qualified to make such a diagnosis have done so, as per the link I provided, so it's not conjecture or libellous.


  • #1155
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,029 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Do these look like the words of a man getting ready to concede?. He tweeted this about 10 minutes ago:

    .

    Ctrl c+v from the guardian

    The president of the United States has just now again baselessly asserted on Twitter that “Tens of thousands of votes were illegally received after 8 P.M. on Tuesday, Election Day, totally and easily changing the results in Pennsylvania and certain other razor thin states.”

    It is boring writing it, you may be bored reading it, but I cannot stress enough that this is simply not true.

    Mail-in and absentee votes that arrive after the end of polling on election day have been valid, legal and counted in various states for decades.

    They include ballots arriving from military posted overseas. That is an entirely normal part of the American democratic process.

    In fact, to be clear, all of these states, some of which are Republican, allow mail-in ballots which are postmarked on 3 November or before to arrive after 8pm on election day and be counted. These are their deadlines.

    Texas (4 November)
    Virginia (Noon on 6 November)
    Kansas (6 November)
    Kentucky (6 November)
    Massachusetts (6 November)
    Pennsylvania (6 November - subject to legal challenge)
    Iowa (9 November)
    North Dakota (9 November)
    West Virginia (9 November)
    Minnesota (10 November - subject to legal challenge)
    Mississippi (10 November)
    Nevada (10 November)
    New Jersey (10 November)
    New York (10 November)
    North Carolina (12 November)
    Alaska (by 13 November)
    District of Columbia (13 November)
    Maryland (13 November)
    Ohio (13 November, result not announced til 28 November)
    Illinois (17 November)
    Utah (17 November)
    California (20 November)
    Washington (23 November)


  • #1156
    irishfeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    America has lost its way so much since this transfer of power....

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1325080771112087553?s=21


  • #1157
    [Deleted User]
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    new yorker piece by jane meyer before the election, michael cohn, former trump attorney speaking:

    "Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney, told me, “He will not concede. Never, ever, ever.” He went on, “I believe he’s going to challenge the validity of the vote in each and every state he loses—claiming ballot fraud, seeking to undermine the process and invalidate it.”
    ...

    Cohen is so certain that Trump will lose that he recently placed a ten-thousand-dollar bet on it. “He’ll blame everyone except for himself,” Cohen said. “Every day, he’ll rant and rave and yell and scream about how they stole the Presidency from him. He’ll say he won by millions and millions of ballots, and they cheated with votes from dead people and people who weren’t born yet. He’ll tell all sorts of lies and activate his militias. It’s going to be a pathetic show. But, by stacking the Supreme Court, he’ll think he can get an injunction. Trump repeats his lies over and over with the belief that the more he tells them the more people will believe them. We all wish he’d just shut up, but the problem is he won’t."


  • #1158
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    baaba maal wrote: »
    They had the exact same conditions of attendance as the Dem observers and this was tweaked minimally to allow them (all) get a bit closer- why do you keep returning to this as if it is significant?

    The only way it would be significant is if the Reps were coming out of the count centre with cases of fraud- and you know that they haven't. They got the tweak they wanted and it hasn't resulted in a single case of voter fraud being discovered.


    It's a conversation, I'm replying to other people's points after I fact-checked the fact-checkers and I was accused of lying. I thought maybe I was mistaken but that doesn't appear to be the case. If you are appealing an order all the way to the supreme court that says observers must be allowed within an adequate distance to observe, then observation is not meeting legal requirements.

    Yes it's pedantic, but fact-checkers themselves have been extremely pedantic at times and my overall point is, fact-checking can be just as misleading as anything if it is more than the most straightforward of claims like what an official statistic was.


  • #1159
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,436 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    irishfeen wrote: »
    America has lost its way so much since this transfer of power....

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1325080771112087553?s=21
    The video of the concession speech given by John McCain is also excellent.
    Trump and his team have dragged American politics into the gutter. It's sad to see.


  • #1160
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Sorry, I was addressing the first comment I quoted and misinterpreted it . You were perfectly right to state narcissistic personality disorder as at least three people qualified to make such a diagnosis have done so, as per the link I provided, so it's not conjecture or libellous.

    No, I get that too. But I was carded. I guess I'm just saying this to seek clarification and show no harm meant.

    I'm actually against sticking the boot in Trump as this entire period if history is just sad. It's not Trumps fault he is who he is.

    I think the more important thing is to understand what he represented to his followers and go from there. As obviously there is something missing in politics and he temporarily filled that hole.

    It's just a tradegy that I think (due to signs that point towards narcissism) he is full of sh!t and only pretended to align with certain groups because he fed off that support - it was all about the ego!

    That causes all sorts of problems, including feelings of resentment and being duped, which some people will not want to admit.


  • #1161
    thecretinhop
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    how come Joe Biden like trump in every state had down ticket numbers except in 4 key states?? it stinks..


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  • #1162
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Matt Gaetz has coronavirus, per Politico.


  • #1163
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Do you know what pisses me off most..

    Fcukwits like this on the sideline, milking the situation for every last penny, not realising or caring what effect their words have

    https://youtu.be/bQfXCwf3ssY


  • #1164
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    gmisk wrote: »
    Your moving the goal posts...yet....again.
    The agreed procedures were followed and observers were allowed in. They then wanted the distance reduced to 6 foot. The count was stopped, that change was eventually allowed.
    Even though it probably shouldn't have been imo given the fact there is a pandemic.

    Trump and his team are literally grasping at straws for anything. It is not and will not work.
    https://www.dw.com/en/dw-fact-check-debunking-election-misinformation-online/a-55507603

    The PA Supreme Court hasn't ruled on the question of observers: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/us/politics/election-courts.html


  • #1165
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    ElitesTeam wrote: »
    voting machine "glitch" and postal workers backing dating to win it for the demacorrupts

    Four legs good!


  • #1166
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    ElitesTeam wrote: »
    voting machine "glitch" and postal workers backing dating to win it for the demacorrupts

    Oh there you are again. We'll see you in a few hours when you post another baseless nonsense post. Bye!


  • #1167
    dasdog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭dasdog


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    The President of the USA

    It's a slow motion crash at this stage. Dead Man Walking.


  • #1168
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    how come Joe Biden like trump in every state had down ticket numbers except in 4 key states?? it stinks..
    ElitesTeam wrote: »
    voting machine "glitch" and postal workers backing dating to win it for the demacorrupts


    If I were to explain these things to you, would you take in the information and process it?


    I'm not going to waste my time if you're just going to run off to one of those websites aimed at gullible people to fill your head with more nonsense.


  • #1169
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,436 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Matt Gaetz has coronavirus, per Politico.
    Seriously?
    He has spent his time mocking the seriousness of it...including appearing in a gas mask...
    Plonker lol


  • #1170
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    how come Joe Biden like trump in every state had down ticket numbers except in 4 key states?? it stinks..

    You what???


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  • #1171
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,436 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    The PA Supreme Court hasn't ruled on the question of observers: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/us/politics/election-courts.html
    That is behind a paywall.
    The facts are the observers as agreed were in PA at counts.
    The GOP wanted distance reduced to 6ft.
    It was.
    Is that an accurate summary of the situation ...yes or no.


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