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Poetry is a load of horse **** waste of time and most people intrinsically know it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    spook_cook wrote: »
    ILove visits me at dark,
    Not so much in body but mind
    to spur a lark,
    'open the bottle. what harm can it do',
    Please I want to quit
    'Oh? Me too',

    'Let's one last laugh, one more sess'
    'After this we're done'
    I confess

    The demon comes,
    the drink shortly after,
    Destroying my life
    in a fit of laughter

    The demon drink

    The demon thinks

    the demon of thought and over thought.

    Things

    The things frightened away by happy music
    And the sesh.
    The spook is dancing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,853 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    The elitism is true tho........

    ah i disagree there, my father wrote poetry, and he was bog standard working class


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,717 ✭✭✭donegal_man


    I don't know if the OP is serious or just being a bit of a contrarian. I begin to suspect the latter given his (or indeed her) lack of engagement with his (or indeed her) own thread.
    On the way poetry is taught I refer you to former US poet laureate Billy Collins.

    Introduction To Poetry

    I ask them to take a poem
    and hold it up to the light
    like a color slide

    or press an ear against its hive.

    I say drop a mouse into a poem
    and watch him probe his way out,

    or walk inside the poem's room
    and feel the walls for a light switch.

    I want them to waterski
    across the surface of a poem
    waving at the author's name on the shore.

    But all they want to do
    is tie the poem to a chair with rope
    and torture a confession out of it.

    They begin beating it with a hose
    to find out what it really means.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    sabat wrote: »
    There once was a paleoperson
    Who wasn't too keen on men versin'
    Oh why open this thread
    When I should be in bed?
    Or fapping to Gina Gerson

    I googled Gina Gerson and it autocorrected to Gina Gershon.

    Alright I said, bit older, but I can see the appeal, wonder what happens when I spell it correctly.. oh.. now I get it.. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ah i disagree there, my father wrote poetry, and he was bog standard working class
    I bet he was still uppity


    I mean I NEED to get into my 'uppity ' frame of mind to write poetry...i mean i have a special outfit. :)

    It makes me feel like elizabeth bennett ..its basically an outfit that could be on the cover of horse and hound.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,853 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I bet he was still uppity


    I mean I NEED to get into my 'uppity ' frame of mind to write poetry...i mean i have a special outfit. :)

    It makes me feel like elizabeth bennett ..its basically an outfit that could be on the cover of horse and hound.

    no, he was very reserved, typical aspie to be honest, but very respected amongst his artist peers


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,667 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    .

    But all they want to do
    is tie the poem to a chair with rope
    and torture a confession out of it.

    They begin beating it with a hose
    to find out what it really means.

    OP's motion has been defeated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    no, he was very reserved, typical aspie to be honest, but very respected amongst his artist peers
    I am sure he was a great poet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,269 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think lots of people just grow to dislike poetry at school and just rule it out of their lives.
    I get music, etc can all be poetry and their great.
    Ya I know that Seamus Heaney poem is sad but does it move me no not really. It just reminds of teachers rambling away when we did it at school.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    McGaggs wrote: »
    OP's motion has been defeated.
    In fairness a lot of my writing is ****.


    But I like it. :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,853 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I am sure he was a great poet.

    i wouldnt have a clue myself, but he was/is respected in the arts, his friends had his work published, after his death, done a lovely job on the book. i just dont think its a world i ll never truly understand, but its not my world, but by god do i respect writers, and artists in general


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ah i disagree there, my father wrote poetry, and he was bog standard working class

    This whole idea that poetry equals elitism is total nonsense, everybody has the capacity to create art.

    Art is very subjective, some posters here have dismissed out of hand some great pieces of poetry, which is fine, but I would encourage people to actually take the time and study the piece and then draw your own conclusions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    I googled Gina Gerson and it autocorrected to Gina Gershon.

    Alright I said, bit older, but I can see the appeal, wonder what happens when I spell it correctly.. oh.. now I get it.. :D

    An innocently typed mispelling
    Can indeed be very telling
    When your wife checks your phone
    After you've been home alone
    Your excuse better be compelling


  • Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭KrustyBurger


    Epitaph on a Tyrant
    W. H. Auden

    Perfection, of a kind, was what he was after,
    And the poetry he invented was easy to understand;
    He knew human folly like the back of his hand,
    And was greatly interested in armies and fleets;
    When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter,
    And when he cried the little children died in the streets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    When I was a teenager this line used to amaze me. Still does. It was the first time I saw the conjuring power in words.

    "and blue-bleak embers, ah my dear,
    Fall, gall themselves, and gash gold-vermilion."


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,238 ✭✭✭✭endacl




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    When I was a teenager this line used to amaze me. Still does. It was the first time I saw the conjuring power in words.

    "and blue-bleak embers, ah my dear,
    Fall, gall themselves, and gash gold-vermilion."

    Same here. Same poem.

    "dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding"

    A carefree and somewhat apathetic teenager in working class Dublin awakens!

    Words, who would have thunk it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    I came across this yesterday, Heaney could have been writing this today on Trump.
    https://twitter.com/HeaneyDaily/status/1324647425685028864?s=19


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    This whole idea that poetry equals elitism is total nonsense, everybody has the capacity to create art.

    Quoted for truth.

    I've been writing poems for nearly 18 years myself. My first book is due to be published next week. I started to get involved in weekly poetry readings when I was 19 or 20 and the variety of people in the "poetry scene" has always been wonderful.

    You've got the teachers and college-educated writers, small shopkeepers, tradesmen, hairdressers, office workers, retirees who took up writing in their 60s, teenagers and young adults just starting off, and everything in between, as well as a mixture of folks from urban, rural and suburban backgrounds and writers who group up in other countries.

    They all have different ways of looking at the world, examining events, telling people's stories. Do I enjoy all of their work? Nope. But there's something for everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Quoted for truth.

    I've been writing poems for nearly 18 years myself. My first book is due to be published next week. I started to get involved in weekly poetry readings when I was 19 or 20 and the variety of people in the "poetry scene" has always been wonderful.

    You've got the teachers and college-educated writers, small shopkeepers, tradesmen, hairdressers, office workers, retirees who took up writing in their 60s, teenagers and young adults just starting off, and everything in between, as well as a mixture of folks from urban, rural and suburban backgrounds and writers who group up in other countries.

    They all have different ways of looking at the world, examining events, telling people's stories. Do I enjoy all of their work? Nope. But there's something for everyone.

    Congratulations.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    The odd occasion flicking through radio channels I come across RTE's arts hour and listen in for a while.

    One guy after reading a piece of poetry said the smell of his leather school bag came back to him as he read it. What made me laugh is the way they were discussion this so seriously.

    Another time some old middle class woman was asked by the presenter why more people didn't read poetry and she replied that it was one of life's greatest mysteries to her. I could equally wonder why more ppl aren't into rap music but you know it's called 'each to his own'.

    I wouldn't be minded to announce that poetry is a load of horse**** (although to me it) cuz again 'each to his own' but what I would say is some ppl are that bit weird about it, usually middle class types. And I do find it rather pretentious but that's not the poetry's fault. Or maybe it is because there is always that element of introspection to it that I find a bit full of itself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    I find the OP premise that poetry is horse**** deeply offensive.

    There is absolutely nothing better than
    a nice poem pile of horse****. :mad:

    An ode to ****e

    What's left over
    After all is done
    Is better than any poem
    And smells twice as sweet
    Nah ...

    :pac:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    criticism of yeats can be brooked, if it be specific and have a thrust to it. lots of overworked, mawkish and insincere hackwork over a long and varied career.

    but look, the man wrote some of the greatest lyrical or rhythmic constructions in the language.

    Now as at all times I can see in the mind's eye,
    In their stiff, painted clothes, the pale unsatisfied ones
    Appear and disappear in the blue depths of the sky
    With all their ancient faces like rain-beaten stones,
    And all their helms of silver hovering side by side,
    And all their eyes still fixed, hoping to find once more,
    Being by Calvary's turbulence unsatisfied,
    The uncontrollable mystery on the bestial floor.



    those last three lines should make anyone's jaw drop, and i am talking technically now, not a matter of what he meant or should he have said it.

    that is simply writing to a degree that a handful of humans have the capacity for

    and them compare to the whimsical beauty of his ode to a cat-


    THE CAT went here and there
    And the moon spun round like a top,
    And the nearest kin of the moon
    The creeping cat looked up.
    Black Minnaloushe stared at the moon,
    For wander and wail as he would
    The pure cold light in the sky
    Troubled his animal blood.
    Minnaloushe runs in the grass,
    Lifting his delicate feet.
    Do you dance, Minnaloushe, do you dance?
    When two close kindred meet
    What better than call a dance?
    Maybe the moon may learn,
    Tired of that courtly fashion,
    A new dance turn.
    Minnaloushe creeps through the grass
    From moonlit place to place,
    The sacred moon overhead
    Has taken a new phase.
    Does Minnaloushe know that his pupils
    Will pass from change to change,
    And that from round to crescent,
    From crescent to round they range?
    Minnaloushe creeps through the grass
    Alone, important and wise,
    And lifts to the changing moon
    His changing eyes.



    i pity anyone who lets their experience in secondary school english prevent them from appreciating work like this.

    last entry: the spoken word.

    gerard manley hopkins, on the page, does nothing for anyone, really

    now, put a working class miner with the voice of a god and the soul of a warrior poet on the case, and the result us simply remarkable:

    https://youtu.be/WhQwFf6Qb9U


    poetry- its ****in massive stuff lads. do yourself a favour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    that is simply writing to a degree that a handful of humans have the capacity for

    I thought the same about Keats and Ode to a Nightingale.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭thefasteriwalk




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Appear and disappear in the blue depths of the sky
    With all their ancient faces like rain-beaten stones,
    And all their helms of silver hovering side by side,
    And all their eyes still fixed, hoping to find once more,
    Being by Calvary's turbulence unsatisfied,
    The uncontrollable mystery on the bestial floor.

    those last three lines should make anyone's jaw drop, and i am talking technically now, not a matter of what he meant or should he have said it.

    that is simply writing to a degree that a handful of humans have the capacity

    People enjoy his poetry but if someone says they think Yeates poems are crap they are also entitled to that opinion. I think films, tv shows, games and music can have an emotional impact that stay with you for many years.. Imo poetry doesnt have that power.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Greyfox wrote: »
    People enjoy his poetry but if someone says they think Yeates poems are crap they are also entitled to that opinion.

    bit of a strawman. who said otherwise?

    the thread premise is just a tantrum against something totally........ optional?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    bit of a strawman. who said otherwise?

    You said the last 3 lines should make anyone's jaw drop when in fast the last 3 lines would do nothing for a lot of people


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭Muppet Man


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