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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • #8312
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,670 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    tigger123 wrote: »
    They have a lot of soul searching to do. They're like Labour in England in so far as they've drifted more towards the liberal middle classes and left the working class behind.

    But maybe that's the way forward; the right will represent the lower class and the left the middle class.

    The left everywhere is in the same boat; it needs to figure out who and what it is.

    I don't know why people are saying this stuff. In the popular vote for President a margin of less than 10 million either way is normal, and will be the case this time as well. And from memory the two houses are not normally controlled by the one party. As populations change, different voting patterns will emerge, and again that is normal. The USA is and has been for a while a 50/50 split.


  • #8313
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    All the outstanding votes in Arizona were drop offs, Monday and Tuesday. 300 odd thousand.

    Favors Trump.


  • #8314
    85603
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    Biden to win 2020
    Trump to go again in 2024 and become only the second president ever to win non consecutive terms.
    Doing a Grover - after The 22nd and 24th President, Grover Cleveland.


    An old fat bastard who eats mcdonalds every day and has the temper of a wasp.

    He wont be around for another epic victory.


  • #8315
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    Biden to win 2020
    Trump to go again in 2024 and become only the second president ever to win non consecutive terms.
    Doing a Grover - after The 22nd and 24th President, Grover Cleveland.
    Age and health may be against him then. Hard to imagine what the GOP will look like in 4 years. Some comments suggesting that the US may be moving to a rural v urban divide in swing states, if that transpires that's a factor that might favour Dems more.


  • #8316
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    History will be very kind to Biden's campaign. Flipping Georgia, winning Arizona and taking back MI, WI, PA in the face of an incumbent President who increased his vote.


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  • #8317
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Biden +917 Georgia :D

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • #8318
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,863 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    The more pumpkin head is beaten the better at this stage - make sure he’s beaten and beaten well. Makes any “legal challenges” all the more pathetic and futile


  • #8319
    Pedro K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    Biden to win 2020
    Trump to go again in 2024 and become only the second president ever to win non consecutive terms.
    Doing a Grover - after The 22nd and 24th President, Grover Cleveland.

    That won't happen. If it did, it would guarantee a Democrat win anyway because it would completely split the Republican vote.


  • #8320
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    Biden to win 2020
    Trump to go again in 2024 and become only the second president ever to win non consecutive terms.
    Doing a Grover - after The 22nd and 24th President, Grover Cleveland.

    Trump will definitely run in 2024, but it'll be from prison and creditors not for President.


  • #8321
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Boggles wrote: »
    All the outstanding votes in Arizona were drop offs, Monday and Tuesday. 300 odd thousand.

    Favors Trump.

    Won't matter at this stage.


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  • #8322
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    I see sheep wrote: »
    Biden +917 Georgia :D

    Go on Biden


  • #8323
    paddythere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭paddythere


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Lindsay Graham is the only one im aware of whos been openly spewing the same stuff

    There's loads of them spewing this stuff


  • #8324
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Jizique


    85603 wrote: »
    An old fat bastard who eats mcdonalds every day and has the temper of a wasp.

    He wont be around for another epic victory.

    And don’t forget that he had short COVID


  • #8325
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,507 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    85603 wrote: »
    An old fat bastard who eats mcdonalds every day and has the temper of a wasp.

    He wont be around for another epic victory.

    If the U.S. still has either these two around leading the charge for 2024, I think I’ll just go for a really long sleep!!


  • #8326
    BrentMused
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭BrentMused


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    Biden to win 2020
    Trump to go again in 2024 and become only the second president ever to win non consecutive terms.
    Doing a Grover - after The 22nd and 24th President, Grover Cleveland.

    There's more chance of me running in 2024 than Trump, IMO.

    You'll start to see more and more Republicans turning on Trump now that they don't need him any more.

    He's done.


  • #8327
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Won't matter at this stage.

    Probably not, but Arizona and how it is voting is important going forward.


  • #8328
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,408 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    Biden to win 2020
    Trump to go again in 2024 and become only the second president ever to win non consecutive terms.
    Doing a Grover - after The 22nd and 24th President, Grover Cleveland.
    A 78 year old Trump given his health...zero chance imo.
    Send in the clones/clowns...trump jr possibly


  • #8329
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I don't know why people are saying this stuff. In the popular vote for President a margin of less than 10 million either way is normal, and will be the case this time as well. And from memory the two houses are not normally controlled by the one party. As populations change, different voting patterns will emerge, and again that is normal. The USA is and has been for a while a 50/50 split.

    The Democrats were traditionally the party of the blue collar working class. Now that cohort mostly vote Republican.

    Labour were traditionally the party of the working class, and they have lost serious ground to the Tory (Brexit) Party.

    The US is still divided, but party loyalties have changed.

    On a separate point though, if the Democrats are struggling to oust Trump, a man who by any metric is incompetent (and the eventual margins remain to be seen), they need to examine their message and the worldview they are selling. Or, they need to double down on the middle class.


  • #8330
    forumdedum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    nullzero wrote: »
    I don't like Trump, but some of the crap being posted about him is really off the wall.

    I don't think this is crap. He is a nobody to me. Always has been since 2016. I really would not notice.


  • #8331
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your fears are misplaced. There won't be any violence from Trump supporters - the odd loon aside - you will always get idiots in any crowd.

    I did want Trump to win but this is now becoming a slow-motion car crash. I had hoped Trump would see sense by now and plot a gracious exit. However seeing the headlines of his speech last night it seems he has firmly dug his trench.

    This could be messy. Hopefully his family can talk some sense into him and get him to concede.

    Two men have already been arrested on their way to shoot up a count centre in Pennsylvania.

    Here's one of them posing with GOP VA Senator:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GoadGatsby/status/1324607001125683200


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  • #8332
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gmisk wrote: »
    A 78 year old Trump given his health...zero chance imo.
    Send in the clones/clowns...trump jr possibly
    The Trump boys are as appealing as lancing a boil and thick as two short planks. Ivanka though ...


  • #8333
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • #8334
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,837 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    gmisk wrote: »
    A 78 year old Trump given his health...zero chance imo.
    Send in the clones/clowns...trump jr possibly

    All going well they'll all be in jail before then


  • #8335
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,670 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    tigger123 wrote: »
    The Democrats were traditionally the party of the blue collar working class. Now that cohort mostly vote Republican.

    Labour were traditionally the party of the working class, and they have lost serious ground to the Tory (Brexit) Party.

    The US is still divided, but party loyalties have changed.

    On a separate point though, if the Democrats are struggling to oust Trump, a man who by any metric is incompetent (and the eventual margins remain to be seen), they need to examine their message and the worldview they are selling. Or, they need to double down on the middle class.

    In modern times the three Presidents to get a bigger than 10 million margins were LBJ, Nixon and Reagan. The latter two shows that the American people can be liable to make strange choices. I agree with you, and I said it, as populations change voting patterns change.


  • #8336
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Paddypower have Trump winning at 14-1, Biden at 1-40..

    Tbh I've more faith in the bookies than i do in the news at this point.


  • #8337
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Boggles wrote: »
    Probably not, but Arizona and how it is voting is important going forward.

    Trump scraping through in Arizona (if he does) is a bad sign for the Republicans - they've won Arizona at every presidential election since 1952 with the only exception being Clinton in 1996.

    Phoenix is turning increasingly Democratic and has had a influx of people from California in recent years.


  • #8338
    omega man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭omega man


    Georgia on my mind.


  • #8339
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,670 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    degrassinoel wrote: »
    Paddypower have Trump winning at 14-1, Biden at 1-40..

    Tbh I've more faith in the bookies than i do in the news at this point.

    Get your money on Biden so.


  • #8340
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    degrassinoel wrote: »
    Paddypower have Trump winning at 14-1, Biden at 1-40..

    Tbh I've more faith in the bookies than i do in the news at this point.
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  • #8341
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    So, to give an idea of how mental the effect of the electoral college is -

    "834,533 people in Alabama voted for Biden. That's more people than voted for Biden in Vermont, Delaware and DC combined. Alabama has more Dem voters than won Biden nine electoral votes."

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MrcoEsquandolas/status/1324375643233157120


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