Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 05:18AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

if i come in through the southern border, and i quids in?

is it true, i can break the law and still not be sent home?

You really don't know much about US law and policy in key areas, do you?

If you enter the USA without permission you can be jailed and deported.

Claiming asylum is not a get out of jail free card; asylum seekers mostly have their claims rejected, are held in detention centres while their claims are being processed and get deported if they fail.

You didn't know about the Paris Agreement earlier. It's an international treaty to combat climate change, which Trump withdrew the USA from. Biden will rejoin the USA to it. Given how much the USA contributes to climate change, it would be a real blow if the USA stayed out of it.

The internet contains every bit of information you need to know about Trump's actions as President, his policies and about Biden's policies.

From what I can see of you, you're supporting Trump based on bits and pieces of half-arsed nonsense picked up at random, instead of doing your own research into his policies and actions, and then get píssed off when people challenge you about your lack of knowledge.

Very Trumpian...

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:18AM

HDMI wrote: »

Not me anyway, I was living in Ireland with my american wife, married 10 years and it was a real pain and took the best part of two years to get in. It was funny because to get her into Ireland in 2005 all I had to do was do a short note on a piece of paper saying I accepted responsibility and she was allowed stay. I assumed I would be granted the same going the opposite way but ended up having to dance through hoops to get it sorted.

congrats! fair play. was it hard work? sher i might just stroll up and i'm in?

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:20AM

joseywhales wrote: »

A chuck with the literal tin hat made the whole thing, he was the spice.

chuck will never photocopy as well again me thinks.

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 05:22AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

twas a slow few seasons, chuck was there for too long.

the point of asylum is you are fleeing oppression, and you seek that in the 1st country you arrive in.

There's no onus on asylum seekers to seek refuge in the first safe country (not the first country) they arrive in. They can seek it anywhere they choose.

If you had the faintest idea of international law on asylum or about the Paris Agreement, you might be worth discussing issues with.

As it stands, you're a blowhard know-nothing.

Ficheall · 06-11-2020 05:24AM

Ah now.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/05/us/election-results?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=ReporterUpdates#democrats-urge-georgia-voters-to-fix-their-absentee-ballots-before-a-friday-deadline

HDMI · 06-11-2020 05:25AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

congrats! fair play. was it hard work? sher i might just stroll up and i'm in?

I'll have whatever you're drinking tonight

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 05:26AM

Coming soon!

All mail-in ballots in Clayton County will be counted tonight, top elections official says

All remaining 4,200 uncounted mail-in ballots and provisional ballots cast in Clayton County, Georgia, will most likely be released by midnight, the director of the county's board of elections, Shauna Dozier, told CNN tonight.

Dozier said to expect results posted on the county's website roughly every 30 minutes until midnight.

The only remaining uncounted ballots will then be military ballots, which are due at 5 p.m. ET, on Friday. Dozier said she is unaware of how many military ballots officials may receive.

Clayton County, a suburb of Atlanta which trends Democratic, could put President Trump's path to the presidency in serious peril, noted CNN's John King earlier this evening.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-05-20/h_a6e97217427adcf94a50179f622ccda2

PS: according to CNN, even before these votes are allocated, the gap between Trump and Biden is now only 1,805 votes in Trump's favour.

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:31AM

sondagefaux wrote: »

There's no onus on asylum seekers to seek refuge in the first safe country (not the first country) they arrive in. They can seek it anywhere they choose.

If you had the faintest idea of international law on asylum or about the Paris Agreement, you might be worth discussing issues with.

As it stands, you're a blowhard know-nothing.

eh, yes there is. if you are seeking asylum, you do so in the 1st country you can.

asylum is for people prosecuted, and the idea is wherever they arrive take them in.

should be no asylum seekers into the the US, only canadian and mexicans

Overheal · 06-11-2020 05:32AM

Ficheall wrote: »

Ah now.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/05/us/election-results?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=ReporterUpdates#democrats-urge-georgia-voters-to-fix-their-absentee-ballots-before-a-friday-deadline

problem?

Overheal · 06-11-2020 05:35AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

eh, yes there is. if you are seeking asylum, you do so in the 1st country you can.

asylum is for people prosecuted, and the idea is wherever they arrive take them in.

should be no asylum seekers into the the US, only canadian and mexicans

This is not required.

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 05:35AM

Ficheall wrote: »

Ah now.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/05/us/election-results?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=ReporterUpdates#democrats-urge-georgia-voters-to-fix-their-absentee-ballots-before-a-friday-deadline

It's perfectly legal to do this in multiple states. As the article says, states are supposed to contact voters to tell them about problems with their postal ballots, but often don't.

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:35AM

Overheal wrote: »

problem?

the headline:

Democrats urge Georgia voters to fix their absentee ballots before a Friday deadline.

i thought all votes were posted?

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 05:36AM

Overheal wrote: »

problem?

Totally legal in multiple states, including Georgia. Not sure what 'ah now' is about...

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:37AM

Overheal wrote: »

This is not required.

i know, massively OT, but was correcting an incorrect statement.

~Rebel~ · 06-11-2020 05:37AM

Ficheall wrote: »

Ah now.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/05/us/election-results?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=ReporterUpdates#democrats-urge-georgia-voters-to-fix-their-absentee-ballots-before-a-friday-deadline

What's wrong with that? Do you know how the mail-in process works? You can track your ballot throughout digitally - if something has been flagged on it that looks like it will make it ineligible, you can see what the issue is, and provide additional information/proof to satisfy whatever query had drawn the red flag. It's a pretty awesome system to be honest!

I think a lot of people just imagine bits of paper sent in that are easy to forge or fake, but the whole thing is tracked from beginning to end very transparently.

Overheal · 06-11-2020 05:39AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

the headline:

Democrats urge Georgia voters to fix their absentee ballots before a Friday deadline.

i thought all votes were posted?

Read the article and maybe the headline will be clearer. Voters have until 5 PM friday to resolve challenges to their ballot. They can track them online through the election office.

Ficheall · 06-11-2020 05:41AM

I just want it to be over. And while I've some sympathy for signatures not matching up with old records, if someone forgets to sign their ballot, that should be tough luck, tbph.

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:42AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

What's wrong with that? Do you know how the mail-in process works? You can track your ballot throughout digitally - if something has been flagged on it that looks like it will make it ineligible, you can see what the issue is, and provide additional information/proof to satisfy whatever query had drawn the red flag. It's a pretty awesome system to be honest!

I think a lot of people just imagine bits of paper sent in that are easy to forge or fake, but the whole thing is tracked from beginning to end very transparently.

call me skeptical!

but of there's no evidence, carry on.

is that the party line? still!!

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:43AM

Ficheall wrote: »

I just want it to be over. And while I've some sympathy for signatures not matching up with old records, if someone forgets to sign their ballot, that should be tough luck, tbph.

same as. just let it end!!

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:46AM

Ficheall wrote: »

Ah now.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/05/us/election-results?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=ReporterUpdates#democrats-urge-georgia-voters-to-fix-their-absentee-ballots-before-a-friday-deadline

Overheal wrote: »

problem?

Overheal wrote: »

Read the article and maybe the headline will be clearer. Voters have until 5 PM friday to resolve challenges to their ballot. They can track them online through the election office.

i just quoted from the above source

sheeplover55 · 06-11-2020 05:52AM

Doesn't look like much is happening tonight, will wait another hour or so

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 05:58AM

sheeplover55 wrote: »

Doesn't look like much is happening tonight, will wait another hour or so

in terms of results, we're all still waiting.

we've been arguing amongst ourselves for a while

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 05:58AM

Overheal wrote: »

This is not required.

True. The 1951 Refugee Convention requires refugees to obey the laws of the country in which they reside after being granted refugee status. This is the only legal responsibility it imposes on them:

Article 2
General Obligations
Every refugee has duties to the country in which he finds himself, which require in particular that he conform to its laws and regulations as well as to measures taken for the maintenance of public order.

The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.

Customary international law means that it applies to all states, even those that have not signed up to the 1951 Refugee Convention.

Asylum seekers are not refugees; they are people whose claim for asylum (refuge) has not yet been established. If their claims are successful, they become refugees. If not, they can be deported.

Even successful claimants, who become refugees, can be deported if they commit serious crimes or are deemed a danger to national security:

Article 33
Prohibition of expulsion or return (“refoulement”)
1. No Contracting State shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, member-
ship of a particular social group or political opinion.
2. The benefit of the present provision may not, however, be claimed by a refugee whom there are reasonable grounds for regarding as a danger to the security of the country in which he is, or who, having been convicted by
a final judgment of a particularly serious crime, constitutes a danger to the community of that country.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/1951-refugee-convention.html

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 06:02AM

Ficheall wrote: »

I just want it to be over. And while I've some sympathy for signatures not matching up with old records, if someone forgets to sign their ballot, that should be tough luck, tbph.

The law disagrees with you.

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 06:13AM

Latest figures from Georgia:

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/summary

Trump is 1,775 votes ahead of Biden.

derfderf · 06-11-2020 06:17AM

sondagefaux wrote: »

Latest figures from Georgia:

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/summary

Trump is 1,775 votes ahead of Biden.

I wonder if Trump maginally wins, but Biden wins enough of the other states to get him over the line, will Biden ask for a recount here to try and put a stamp on his victory?

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 06:19AM

Clayton County, Georgia results:

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Clayton/105401/web.264614/#/detail/1?v=269526%2F

y0ssar1an22 · 06-11-2020 06:19AM

good nights folks, ill reconvene in the morrow!

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 06:22AM

derfderf wrote: »

I wonder if Trump maginally wins, but Biden wins enough of the other states to get him over the line, will Biden ask for a recount here to try and put a stamp on his victory?

No idea, could be a way to protect himself from 'faithless' Electoral College voters who vote for Trump despite Biden winning a state.

robinph · 06-11-2020 06:29AM

HDMI wrote: »

Still questions on the PA result if they are counting votes that came in after the 3rd. Justice Alito in the Supreme court left the door open for those to be challenged. The court in PA messed up ruling that votes could be accepted after the 3rd when their own state rules say only the legislature can make that decision. Fun times ahead.

If there was 1.2 million votes delivered by USPS in the days after the election don't you think that some employees would have tweeted photos of them all stacked up in the sorting office by now?

There might be a couple delivered afterward, but the vast majority were already delivered, just they couldn't be processed purely because Trump was anticipating wanting something like this to whine about.

Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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