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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • #8012
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Which of Biden's policies do you disagree with, and why?

    You don't answer a question with a question.


  • #8013
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    US2 wrote: »
    Can you answer his question or what ?

    Oh I definitely could yeah.


  • #8014
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    J2CVC wrote: »
    Oh I definitely could yeah.

    You just have to Google his policies first yeah, otherwise you'd have answered.


  • #8015
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,942 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    J2CVC wrote: »
    If there were no Trump fans on tonight I'd be disappointed. Most have gone quiet but thanks for still flying that flag, for my entertainment if nothing else.

    lets wish those a merry sleep.

    what flag is still flying? and why are you entertained it?


  • #8016
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    US2 wrote: »
    You don't answer a question with a question.

    Read the thread. This poster has been answered, he just doesn't like it.

    He's like a Japanese guy fighting on an island in the pacific years after WWII finished.


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  • #8017
    HDMI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    J2CVC wrote: »
    I follow the science. And this is where I suspect we will differ.

    You should have said it's science in the first place because that makes it more believable... What tripe :confused:


  • #8018
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    US2 wrote: »
    You just have to Google his policies first yeah, otherwise you'd have answered.

    You're as sharp as a tack US2.


  • #8019
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,627 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    J2CVC wrote: »
    I think the thinking is that yes he's not going to lose anyone, but by acting less belligerent than usual he may have won a few voters.

    Really? I doubt that... I really don't think him being a little less rude in a debate was going to draw in anyone that is still somehow ok with such classics as; "grab 'em by the pussy".

    We've had four years of belligerence, along with a lifetime before that. An alright debate is not changing anything there.


  • #8020
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,942 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Which of Biden's policies do you disagree with, and why?

    his idea to raise corporation tax to pay for people who dont work.

    please tell me thats no true?


  • #8021
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    what policies do you expect from joe?

    Will you quit it with this question this is about the 15th time you have asked it tonight


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  • #8022
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    There is zero reason why not to call Georgia and Pennsylvania at this point. The writing is on the wall. It's like they're almost playing with Trump and his supporters at this point - put them out of their misery.


  • #8023
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    Considering he's running as the de-facto "not trump", as someone who won't be so divisive and destructive to american communities, for a lot of people that is enough.

    Personally, his movement on climate alone is enough for me, and probably a lot of others I'd imagine. Everything else is short term annoyance, stuff that gets rolled back and reenacted term after term, but climate is the one thing we're running out of time on - it's my number 1 issue anyway. I'd rather Biden even be pushing much more on it, but of the two he's still the more active, and the one who's party actually recognises the scale of the issue.

    Climate's a big one. His Covid measures and CDC engagement is really major for me also. His tax propositions are pretty solid.

    The fact he isn't going to install SC judges who consider people like me fundamentally distorted human beings, that's pretty great. The fact his VC isn't a Dominionist crank who hates women, also significant. The fact he won't stack his foreign affairs mechanisms with Evangelical Endtimers who believe war in the Middle East is a religious aspiration, also good.

    And just for fun, his pledge to form a task force to reunite the ICE orphans is a significant sentimental one.


  • #8024
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Read the thread. This poster has been answered, he just doesn't like it.

    He's like a Japanese guy fighting on an island in the pacific years after WWII finished.

    lol wouldn't have expected that from you. Funny though.


  • #8025
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    his idea to raise corporation tax to pay for people who dont work.

    please tell me thats no true?

    It's not true.


  • #8026
    Harper Gifted Traction
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Harper Gifted Traction


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    what policies do you expect from joe?

    Precisely the same ones that led to Trump.


  • #8027
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,942 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Tippex wrote: »
    Will you quit it with this question this is about the 15th time you have asked it tonight

    gimme a simple answer so.


  • #8028
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,790 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    Considering he's running as the de-facto "not trump", as someone who won't be so divisive and destructive to american communities, for a lot of people that is enough.

    Personally, his movement on climate alone is enough for me, and probably a lot of others I'd imagine. Everything else is short term annoyance, stuff that gets rolled back and reenacted term after term, but climate is the one thing we're running out of time on - it's my number 1 issue anyway. I'd rather Biden even be pushing much more on it, but of the two he's still the more active, and the one who's party actually recognises the scale of the issue.

    Trump has repeatedly questioned the science behind global warming.... for the simple reason it’s not compatible with his status as first and foremost being the friend and ally of big business, 2 days ago...Trump exited the US from the Paris climate accord. Why ? Because he wants to suit his mates in big business, to be successful. He values balance sheets and the health thereof ahead of the health of the planet.


  • #8029
    Harper Gifted Traction
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Harper Gifted Traction


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    gimme a simple answer so.

    You'll be waiting a while.

    Biden's campaign was "I'm not Trump" then sat back and let Trump lose his own race.

    Not a sliver of policy nor substance at any stage. All "the soul of the nation" malarkey.


  • #8030
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Tippex wrote: »
    Will you quit it with this question this is about the 15th time you have asked it tonight

    Ignore button works wonders with posters like that.


  • #8031
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,265 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    what policies do you expect from joe?

    He ran and ultimately won on decency porn really. If people cared about policy then Warren or Bernie would have won the primary over him but ultimately they were crushed.

    Overall he will be a better president than Trump on pretty much everything bar foreign policy where they are both hawks, but stuff like climate change, minimum wage are things he will be good on to be fair and those are issues that are pretty important right now.

    He's not the president America needs in 2020, but when the alternative is Trump then yeah he had to win.

    I don't expect a remarkable presidency, but even as a critic of him, I can't wait for him to be president as another 4 years of Trump would have been to much for everyone.


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  • #8032
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,942 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Tell me how wrote: »
    It's not true.


    i don't know!

    so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas


  • #8033
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,790 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    He ran and ultimately won on decency porn really. If people cared about policy then Warren or Bernie would have won the primary over him but ultimately they were crushed.

    Overall he will be a better president than Trump on pretty much everything bar foreign policy where they are both hawks, but stuff like climate change, minimum wage are things he will be good on to be fair and those are issues that are pretty important right now.

    With Biden, you get the essence he’s the type of personality who wants everybody, the entire country to do well... Trump, the man makes no real apology for just being for the money people, his gang.


  • #8034
    Beholders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭Beholders


    HDMI wrote: »
    Oddly the vote he would want for Biden is coming from the poorest parts of Atlanta where education is a real problem. So I guess each side will take their share of the "less educated voters"
    You do releases you don't have to be educated to understand someone's making a fool of you, in fairness I think it happens naturally, that you come up with that idea, all on your own


  • #8035
    HDMI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    i don't know!

    so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

    Hot cup of cocoa before bedtime around 8pm while President Harris gets ready to take over, so best to ask what her policies are. Biden hasn't got 4 years in him.


  • #8036
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    gimme a simple answer so.

    Its irrelevant for me like most posters here as I have no vote.

    But the fact that he will get a handle on the covid response and be pro-active.
    Rejoin paris accord.
    Put a focus back on climate change.
    Sort out the whole medicaid end of things.
    Be a lot less divisive than Trump has been.


  • #8037
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    i don't know!

    so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

    So you sided with Trump without even knowing Biden's policies? What attracted you so strongly to Donald?


  • #8038
    HDMI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    Beholders wrote: »
    You do releases you don't have to be educated to understand someone's making a fool of you, in fairness I think it happens naturally, that you come up with that idea.

    I'm uneducated white and live in small town USA so you might need to spell out more clearly what you're trying to say to me.


  • #8039
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,942 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Strumms wrote: »
    With Biden, you get the essence he’s the type of personality who wants everybody, the entire country to do well... Trump, the man makes no real apology for just being for the money people, his gang.

    as in a medal for everyone?


  • #8040
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    i don't know!

    so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

    You don't know what?

    Biden's plans/policies/idea are on his website.

    Tell us which ones you have an issue with, or maybe just pick the ones which you think Trump has a better plan in relation to the subject and maybe summarise for us the weakness in Biden's plan and how Trumps is stronger in that respect.

    Thanks.


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  • #8041
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,627 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    He ran and ultimately won on decency porn really. If people cared about policy then Warren or Bernie would have won the primary over him but ultimately they were crushed.

    Overall he will be a better president than Trump on pretty much everything bar foreign policy where they are both hawks, but stuff like climate change, minimum wage are things he will be good on to be fair and those are issues that are pretty important right now.

    It's not quite as simple as that... you say if people cared about policy - but which policy, and what position on it?

    Personally, I'd agree, in terms of policy I'd rather Bernie (particularly because he's even stronger on climate). But Bernie is devisive. Bernie wouldn't have won this election.

    Biden being a more watered down candidate becomes no-ones favourite candidate, but becomes everyone's compromise. And ultimately that's what an election is for... to find the candidate the most people are ok with, rather than the one that a smaller group are fanatical about.

    Biden appeals just enough to the Bernie bro's to bring them out, but also has enough clout with the historic centre of the party to keep the party support intact behind him, and has a reputation for working across the aisle and strong relationships with a number of high profile Republicans (gave the eulogy at John McCains funeral and was backed by his wife for this election), so had the possibility to flip voters too.

    He's the ultimate 'good-enough'.


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