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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • #7982
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    bb12 wrote: »
    the rule is that a candidate must reach 50% of the vote + 1 or else a runoff election needs to be held

    I believe that is only for the senate and the house not in the presidential elections


  • #7983
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Sandor Clegane wrote: »
    Where are people getting their confidence from regarding it being a Biden victory already?

    He has an insurmountable advantage in the remaining tranche of votes in PA, which hands him the EC votes he needs. He has a decent chance at additional states as a bonus.

    Trumps cabinet seem to have started resigning and Don Jr is talking about 2024. Even the Rs know it's over.


  • #7984
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Reminder all those posters saying that there was no enthusiasm for Biden and no interest in his campaign. When all is said and done and all votes counted he'll have nearly 80m votes! Unreal.


    It's a reflection of how shíte Trump was.


    But, oddly enough, Biden comes with actual policies on a website. There was some guy repetitively posting "What are Biden's policies" earlier but he never thought to turn his question into a google search. It's a shame really. If he had figured out that he could google such things, he might have been less confused.


  • #7985
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Reminder all those posters saying that there was no enthusiasm for Biden and no interest in his campaign. When all is said and done and all votes counted he'll have nearly 80m votes! Unreal.

    I think everyone thought Biden just had to keep quiet and Trump would lose it himself. I don't think anybody expected Trump to get so many votes this time.

    But a lot of Trump's voters are racist or less educated, and a lot of that demographic won't change.


  • #7986
    HDMI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    J2CVC wrote: »
    But a lot of Trump's voters are racist or less educated, and a lot of that demographic won't change.

    Extremely ignorant comment


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  • #7987
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    J2CVC wrote: »
    I think everyone thought Biden just had to keep quiet and Trump would lose it himself. I don't think anybody expected Trump to get so many votes this time.

    But a lot of Trump's voters are racist or less educated, and a lot of that demographic won't change.

    thats pretty much what happened, if trump wasn't so belligerent in the 1st debate he would have won.


  • #7988
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    HDMI wrote: »
    Extremely ignorant comment

    Exactly.


  • #7989
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    HDMI wrote: »
    Extremely ignorant comment

    You mightn't like it but studies have shown that and we might as well talk facts. Trump really doesn't do well with those with higher education.


  • #7990
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    It's a reflection of how shíte Trump was.


    But, oddly enough, Biden comes with actual policies on a website. There was some guy repetitively posting "What are Biden's policies" earlier but he never thought to turn his question into a google search. It's a shame really. If he had figured out that he could google such things, he might have been less confused.

    I think that poster was on the windup just to see if other posters could rattle them off but nobody engaged. They were well aware that he has them on his site.


  • #7991
    HDMI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    J2CVC wrote: »
    Sorry but studies have shown that.

    Your kidding right? Can't even get a poll right to decide how conservatives votes will vote but you have a study showing they are ignorant uneducated racist.... Like I said ignorant comment.


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  • #7992
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    HDMI wrote: »
    Extremely ignorant comment

    engage in the comment surely?

    what was ignorant?




    ETA: cancel the above


  • #7993
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    A point to make -

    A Biden Administration will get to appoint the next Postmaster General, the Florida re-enfranchisement measures will have bedded in, postal voting is now in place for a lot of people who hadn't done it before, and there’s still a decent possibility of snagging the senate and re establishing some kind of Voting Rights Act replacement in time for 2024.

    Additionally, a LOT of the groundgame established this election will be there to use - the Georgia gains this time are almost entirely credited to Stacy Abrams, for example, and I think we'll see lots more like her.

    I worry the GOP will find a less unhinged figurehead than Trump to get their weird agendas in next time, but there's reason to believe too that the Dems have some useful stuff to take forward from this in preparation.


  • #7994
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,787 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    HDMI wrote: »
    Extremely ignorant comment

    It wasn’t ignorant, rather then tackle issues head on with honesty, intelligence and intellect, he whips up fear and mistrust. The better educated can see through that.


  • #7995
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    thats pretty much what happened, if trump wasn't so belligerent in the 1st debate he would have won.

    He was certainly a lot better in the second. Biden isn't a great debater and I think Trump messed up a bit that first time. I think the voters who that act would attract were voting for him already.


  • #7996
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    A point to make -

    A Biden Administration will get to appoint the next Postmaster General, the Florida re-enfranchisement measures will have bedded in, postal voting is now in place for a lot of people who hadn't done it before, and there’s still a decent possibility of snagging the senate and re establishing some kind of Voting Rights Act replacement in time for 2024.

    Additionally, a LOT of the groundgame established this election will be there to use - the Georgia gains this time are almost entirely credited to Stacy Abrams, for example, and I think we'll see lots more like her.

    I worry the GOP will find a less unhinged figurehead than Trump to get their weird agendas in next time, but there's reason to believe too that the Dems have some useful stuff to take forward from this in preparation.

    what policies do you expect from joe?


  • #7997
    HDMI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    Strumms wrote: »
    It wasn’t ignorant, rather then tackle issues head on with honesty, intelligence and intellect, he whips up fear and mistrust.

    Oddly the vote he would want for Biden is coming from the poorest parts of Atlanta where education is a real problem. So I guess each side will take their share of the "less educated voters"


  • #7998
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    J2CVC wrote: »
    He was certainly a lot better in the second. Biden isn't a great debater and I think Trump messed up a bit that first time. I think the voters who that act would attract were voting for him already.

    for what reason? i've asked this maybe 5 times about why people voted for biden...what are his policies that you support?


  • #7999
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    HDMI wrote: »
    Your kidding right? Can't even get a poll right to decide how conservatives votes will vote but you have a study showing they are ignorant uneducated racist.... Like I said ignorant comment.

    It can't be ignorant if there are studies showing it, no matter how much you don't like it.


  • #8000
    Morathi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭Morathi


    I do love that despite the title, this thread may reach 10,000 before a winner is announced. :pac:


  • #8001
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,787 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    HDMI wrote: »
    Oddly the vote he would want for Biden is coming from the poorest parts of Atlanta where education is a real problem. So I guess each side will take their share of the "less educated voters"

    You can receive and have access to education but that doesn’t mean you are an educated person.


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  • #8002
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,610 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    thats pretty much what happened, if trump wasn't so belligerent in the 1st debate he would have won.

    I really don't think that's true. The debates tend to not actually make any real difference, with both sets of followers claiming victory for their candidate regardless of performance. Trump showed nothing in that debate he hasn't shown a million times before - and as belligerent as he was, I doubt he actually lost anyone as a result of it. The biggest relevance of those debates really were to see if Biden would collapse - once he was grand, the status quo was maintained.

    I believe the actual viewing figures for people watching more than a few minutes of that first debate were particularly low too.


  • #8003
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    for what reason? i've asked this maybe 5 times about why people voted for biden...what are his policies that you support?

    If there were no Trump fans on tonight I'd be disappointed. Most have gone quiet but thanks for still flying that flag, for my entertainment if nothing else.


  • #8004
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


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  • #8005
    HDMI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    J2CVC wrote: »
    It can't be ignorant if there are studies showing it, no matter how much you don't like it.

    So if someone puts out a study you automatically take it as fact?

    Sorry it's only a study and not much different than a poll and probably depending on who done the study will have very little fact.


  • #8006
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    I really don't think that's true. The debates tend to not actually make any real difference, with both sets of followers claiming victory for their candidate regardless of performance. Trump showed nothing in that debate he hasn't shown a million times before - and as belligerent as he was, I doubt he actually lost anyone as a result of it. The biggest relevance of those debates really were to see if Biden would collapse - once he was grand, the status quo was maintained.

    I believe the actual viewing figures for people watching more than a few minutes of that first debate were particularly low too.

    I think the thinking is that yes he's not going to lose anyone, but by acting less belligerent than usual he may have won a few voters.


  • #8007
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    what policies do you expect from joe?

    What were the policies and plans that Trump had for a possible 2nd term?


  • #8008
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    for what reason? i've asked this maybe 5 times about why people voted for biden...what are his policies that you support?

    Which of Biden's policies do you disagree with, and why?


  • #8009
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    J2CVC wrote: »
    If there were no Trump fans on tonight I'd be disappointed. Most have gone quiet but thanks for still flying that flag, for my entertainment if nothing else.

    Can you answer his question or what ?


  • #8010
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    HDMI wrote: »
    So if someone puts out a study you automatically take it as fact?

    Sorry it's only a study and not much different than a poll and probably depending on who done the study will have very little fact.

    I follow the science. And this is where I suspect we will differ.


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  • #8011
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,610 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    for what reason? i've asked this maybe 5 times about why people voted for biden...what are his policies that you support?

    Considering he's running as the de-facto "not trump", as someone who won't be so divisive and destructive to american communities, for a lot of people that is enough.

    Personally, his movement on climate alone is enough for me, and probably a lot of others I'd imagine. Everything else is short term annoyance, stuff that gets rolled back and reenacted term after term, but climate is the one thing we're running out of time on - it's my number 1 issue anyway. I'd rather Biden even be pushing much more on it, but of the two he's still the more active, and the one who's party actually recognises the scale of the issue.


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