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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • #3422
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    smurgen wrote: »
    The same three or four posters keep coming back every evening to gleefully declare that we all have egg on our faces, storm in a teacup etc etc. Happening ever couple of dozen pages. Telling people in here they're cranks. All done without a shred of irony.

    In fairness it gets boring after a while, we like to spice things up a little.

    Politics is not supposed to be such a snoozefest.

    It is sarcasm btw, I only go for the ironic quips during the run up to the elections. So you have 4 years to wait to see an example of that.

    Crank on please.


  • #3423
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Crosses to bear :rolleyes:

    Get a grip my friend.

    Leo shared information with a union to get them onside to get a very good deal over the line. We saw previously how troublesome NAGP can be at frustrating a deal with the U-6 medical care. He was doing the country a service in sharing the info which was already largely public.

    This isn't the type of leaking we'd see if you had Minister for Justice Dessie Ellis. Where files would be handed over to bald headed hardshaws in some grimy Belfast pub.

    If you guys are not stopped ANY Taoiseach can pass files to whosever they want if they think it is in the national interest.


  • #3424
    AdrianBalboa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭AdrianBalboa


    I can’t believe this is still a thing. My husband is a prominent member of Fine Gael and he says that Leo just happens to be extremely personable and trusting with his friends, hardly the behaviour of a tin pot African dictator.

    Honestly this forum is just full of cranks and trolls. Reading it is like lifting up a rock and seeing the worms scuttle about underneath.


  • #3425
    I Am The Law
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Very entertaining to see how many people were predicting that this was the end of Varadkar. The end of this government. A massive scandal. Basing the levels of outrage on their own online twitter bubble where people spend their days retweeting cranks Mick Caul and Paddy Cosgrave.

    Big smile on my face reading this thread watching the initial glee now turn to anger as your dreams were dashed and the world moves on. :)

    I can't understand why the FGbots stay on the thread if they're convinced the story is over?


  • #3426
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    I can’t believe this is still a thing. My husband is a prominent member of Fine Gael and he says that Leo just happens to be extremely personable and trusting with his friends, hardly the behaviour of a tin pot African dictator.

    Honestly this forum is just full of cranks and trolls. Reading it is like lifting up a rock and seeing the worms scuttle about underneath.

    Of all things ive heard about varadkar,personable is not one thing ive heard him.called

    He's viewed as aloof/standoffish/extremly introverted within FG, none of which are flaws,but personable he is not


    (Same applies to pearse doherty too,by all accounts,but this deosnt negate from eithers ability to do the job)


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  • #3427
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    I can’t believe this is still a thing. My husband is a prominent member of Fine Gael and he says that Leo just happens to be extremely personable and trusting with his friends, hardly the behaviour of a tin pot African dictator.

    Honestly this forum is just full of cranks and trolls. Reading it is like lifting up a rock and seeing the worms scuttle about underneath.

    'Lifting rocks'? You and Brendan Bendar would get right along.


  • #3428
    AdrianBalboa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭AdrianBalboa


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Of all things ive heard about varadkar,personable is not one thing ive heard him.called

    He's viewed as aloof/standoffish/extremly introverted within FG, none of which are flaws,but personable he is not


    (Same applies to pearse doherty too,by all accounts,but this deosnt negate from eithers ability to do the job)

    Well maybe he just happens to be good friends with my hubby.


  • #3429
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    Well maybe he just happens to be good friends with my hubby.

    You couldnt get us a few confidential.documents by any chance?

    I hear hes good for it


  • #3430
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'Lifting rocks'? You and Brendan Bendar would get right along.

    They're married. ;-) Meet the missus.


  • #3431
    I Am The Law
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You couldnt get us a few confidential.documents by any chance?

    I hear hes good for it

    What's your home address?


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  • #3432
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I Am The Law wrote: »
    What's your home address?

    123 main street

    Blaaville

    Free state


  • #3433
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    I Am The Law wrote: »
    I can't understand why the FGbots stay on the thread if they're convinced the story is over?

    Comedy value. Innit.


  • #3434
    AdrianBalboa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭AdrianBalboa


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Comedy value. Innit.

    I stayed away from bulletin boards for years because I was worried they were full of Star Trek nerds and beatniks.

    Hmm.


  • #3435
    1st dalkey dalkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭1st dalkey dalkey


    After all the attempts to discredit this thread, maybe its time to re-state the facts.

    A confidential document was leaked by Varadker, while he was Taoiseach, to a friend of his.

    This is the first and most pertinent fact. Admitted to by Varadker.

    Varadker himself has said he regrets doing it and Martin has said he was wrong to have done it.

    Once caught, Varadker and his spinners started to try to minimise the damage by telling half truths/half lies, about what happened.

    It was already in the public domain, he was not really a friend, it is not illegal etc.

    All debunked by subsequent Dail questions.

    And this is not the first allegation of leaking against the same gent.

    The bottom line is that he is just not trustworthy.


  • #3436
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Comedy value. Innit.

    Thanks for the laughs. You're doing the board a service so don't be going anywhere.


  • #3437
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Since his election as a td he has never been trust worthy.


  • #3438
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    I stayed away from bulletin boards for years because I was worried they were full of Star Trek nerds and beatniks.

    Hmm.

    Going by some of your posts I have read on other threads you may be going away from this board involuntarily.
    Wading in calling other posters trolls is not a key to longevity.


  • #3439
    AdrianBalboa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭AdrianBalboa


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Going by some of your posts I have read on other threads you may be going away from this board involuntarily.
    Wading in calling other posters trolls is not a key to longevity.

    Are you threatening to “Jean McConville” me?


  • #3440
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    Are you threatening to “Jean McConville” me?

    Is this another pathetic attempt to have the thread closed?
    Although I understand it's incomprehensible for some, but not everyone that dislikes FG is by default a Shinner.


  • #3441
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭ooter


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    Well maybe he just happens to be good friends with my hubby.

    Does he see him more than 2/3 times a year?


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  • #3442
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »
    Once caught, Varadker and his spinners started to try to minimise the damage by telling half truths/half lies, about what happened.

    It was already in the public domain, he was not really a friend, it is not illegal etc.

    All debunked by subsequent Dail questions.

    Were they all debunked? The first point may be a half truth given that not 100% of it was in the public domain, but I thought he was only a friend of a friend and the legality of it hasn't been confirmed one way or the other.


  • #3443
    1st dalkey dalkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭1st dalkey dalkey


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Were they all debunked? The first point may be a half truth given that not 100% of it was in the public domain, but I thought he was only a friend of a friend and the legality of it hasn't been confirmed one way or the other.

    Half truths and half lies.

    When is a friend not a friend?

    It is not illegal, just unethical and wrong.

    He gave it so it could be used to convince other doctors to join the scheme, but it wasn't passed on to the other doctors.

    The Minister for Health had declined to give it to Leo's not-friend, so this not-friend approached the Taoiseach who did provide it without reference to the Health Minister.

    Now Leo is no friend of mine, so I wonder would he give me a few confidential documents?

    His story is just a load of waffle. He is just not trustworthy, and the more waffle he comes out with the less believable he becomes.


  • #3444
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »
    Half truths and half lies.

    When is a friend not a friend?

    It is not illegal, just unethical and wrong.

    He gave it so it could be used to convince other doctors to join the scheme, but it wasn't passed on to the other doctors.

    The Minister for Health had declined to give it to Leo's not-friend, so this not-friend approached the Taoiseach who did provide it without reference to the Health Minister.

    Now Leo is no friend of mine, so I wonder would he give me a few confidential documents?

    His story is just a load of waffle. He is just not trustworthy, and the more waffle he comes out with the less believable he becomes.

    A friend is not a friend when they're an acquaintance? Neither you or I know their relationship so why present opinion as fact?

    And you inferred that the act was illegal in your previous post, which is not true. At least unproven. And you go on to change your story from it being illegal to it being unethical and wrong. So you, like Leo, are not very trustworthy!


  • #3445
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    I have to say that even to my aged eyes this thread has been an eye opener.
    I'm a 'non-party' voter and always have been (though hands up I will admit to a very slight lean towards FF)
    I tend to vote for the man and not the party and in the past have probably voted for candidates from just about every party bar the Greens.

    What I have garnered from this thread is that I will never again vote for a FG candidate regardless of my personal thoughts on the candidate themselves.
    The absolute tribalism and blind loyalty to 'The Party' is shocking. Loyalty is admirable, blind loyalty is a character fault.

    It's not just the posters on here, none of whom have directly addressed the issue at hand BTW and just admitted that he was wrong, it's their own party officials, none of whom have come out and publicly admitted that he was wrong to do what he did. To be fair to FF they hate each other as much as they hate any other parties and they're not slow to condemn their own when needs be. FG completely circle the wagons and not one of them is man enough or has the liathróidí to stand up and say he was wrong. In fact Leo is the only one who has come out and said he was wrong !!

    One question I'd like to ask of the blind faithful here (if any of them are kind enough to answer..).
    Where do you draw the line ? What action or perceived action would lead you to say "Ah here... enough is enough... he/she was wrong there and is bang out of order.." Where is that line ?

    I am the same as you but I have no leaning towards any party. All I would like is to see a government that is working for the country and not for themselves and just throwing scraps out to the country. I am also sick of the cronyism and other crap they get up to, how the rules that apply to everyone do not apply to them, infact as they are rules/law makers it should apply more to them that anyone else.

    I do wonder on here the folks showing the blind loyalty, we even have one that claims they are a green, are they serious or just Trolls and windups? They never address the issue and always just say what about A B and C.


  • #3446
    AdrianBalboa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭AdrianBalboa


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Partner of a prominent politician who thinks it’s acceptable to leak state agreements has entered the chat ...

    It’s called realpolitik. It might surprise you to hear this but information is passed along unofficial channels all the time. Far more deals are made on the golf course than in the halls of the Dáil.


  • #3447
    1st dalkey dalkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭1st dalkey dalkey


    VonLuck wrote: »
    A friend is not a friend when they're an acquaintance? Neither you or I know their relationship so why present opinion as fact?

    And you inferred that the act was illegal in your previous post, which is not true. At least unproven. And you go on to change your story from it being illegal to it being unethical and wrong. So you, like Leo, are not very trustworthy!

    You need to go back and look again.

    You were the one who introduced the question of illegality. I made no such inference, in fact I stated it was not illegal, but unethical and wrong.

    And I did not say it was a fact that they were friends.

    I questioned when was a friend not a friend, maybe when he is a friend of a friend, as you pointed out.

    So you, like Leo, are clearly prone to gaffs.


  • #3448
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    It’s called realpolitik. It might surprise you to hear this but information is passed along unofficial channels all the time. Far more deals are made on the golf course than in the halls of the Dáil.

    Ah you can be quite sure it doesn’t surprise me, but when caught and caught blatantly it should not go unpunished.

    Makes it’s more acceptable for your partner and those who follow.


  • #3449
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    AdrianBalboa wrote: »
    It’s called realpolitik. It might surprise you to hear this but information is passed along unofficial channels all the time. Far more deals are made on the golf course than in the halls of the Dáil.

    This is probably true, but I hope they aren't passing around documents marked Confidential/not for circulation


  • #3450
    rostalof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭rostalof


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  • #3451
    ToddDameron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭ToddDameron


    Leo admitted his actions were wrong, so not sure why there are people saying they weren't. This whole defend your party at all costs attitude is extremely outdated, immature and just plain embarrassing. He messed up, he's admitted it, I don't know if he should resign per se, but he objectively did the wrong thing. The sky won't fall in if you admit your favourite politician did the wrong thing, defending it is just very weak and cringy.


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