US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

ancapailldorcha · 05-11-2020 06:59PM

If you're going to make a damming accusation about one of the parties, please provide a link. Stating a conspiracy theory as if it were fact is below the standard of this forum. Posts deleted.

Exclamation Marc · 05-11-2020 07:01PM

Biden's deficit in GA down to 13,540 votes - down from about 14,765 a few hours ago.

~Rebel~ · 05-11-2020 07:02PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Biden's deficit in GA down to 13,540 votes - down from about 14,765 a few hours ago.

Can we get some counters with more nimble fingers on the case? I love a bit of suspense, but christ...

droidus · 05-11-2020 07:03PM

Its strange that the only places Im seeing 100% votes coming in are in places where there have been historic issues with voting machines.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidManel/status/1323921182622732288

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 05-11-2020 07:04PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

The guy who tweet the original version of this (that Trump retweeted) has admitted he was wrong.

I mean, he should have known something was awry there. A report stating that 100% of votes went to one candidate would absolutely be cause for concern but you'd really want to double-check before posting about it because it's so unlikely.

I'm glad he issued a mea culpa but he still spread misinformation that morons will likely continue to latch on to.

prawnsambo · 05-11-2020 07:04PM

I suppose this could be viewed as conceding: 'I'll win if they only count my votes and not his'.

Exclamation Marc · 05-11-2020 07:04PM

Some insight into where it historically lands in Philly which suggests there could be 100,000 more at least in that city for Biden.

https://twitter.com/pkcapitol/status/1324411911161716738?s=20

Brussels Sprout · 05-11-2020 07:07PM

This must be excruciating for Trump and his supporters to see all of these states fall one by one : Wisconsin, Michigan, probably Pennsylvania, possibly Georgia. Hell there was even a bizarrely long time on election night when Virginia was red!

What's even worse is that there were many periods throughout the past 2 days where things looked really optimistic for him. They say "it's the hope that kills you" after all.

Disclaimer: If Trump somehow pulls it out of the bag that pain would be 10 times worse for his opponents.

Brussels Sprout · 05-11-2020 07:09PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Can we get some counters with more nimble fingers on the case? I love a bit of suspense, but christ...

They need a crack team of Irish school teachers in there. It's not even STV either - They'd knock that out in no time.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 05-11-2020 07:13PM

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1324132225668075522

jasonb · 05-11-2020 07:14PM

I'm probably missing someth9ng, but is there a reason why the first 70/80/90% of votes are counted so quickly compared to the last 30/20/10/1%? Is it due to those votes being mail in or something and therefore take longer to count for some reason?

bennyl10 · 05-11-2020 07:16PM

jasonb wrote: »

I'm probably missing someth9ng, but is there a reason why the first 70/80/90% of votes are counted so quickly compared to the last 30/20/10/1%? Is it due to those votes being mail in or something and therefore take longer to count for some reason?

Yes.
Mail votes have signatures which need to be checked, also needs to be cross checked against in person records

Exclamation Marc · 05-11-2020 07:18PM

Clark County (Nevada) counting 51,000 ballots today which will be reported tomorrow at 6pm (Irish) tomorrow.

Also allowing receipt of cured ballots until 12th November which they reckon will be small.

Its from a press conference which is particularly spikey with the voter registrar. Biden remains about 11,400 ahead.

Kiith · 05-11-2020 07:19PM

He's really annoyed with being asked for the numbers that haven't arrived yet as well :P

Answered the question about a possible invalid ballot quite well too.

Brussels Sprout · 05-11-2020 07:20PM

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1324415080226643971

Exclamation Marc · 05-11-2020 07:21PM

Kiith wrote: »

He's really annoyed with being asked for the numbers that haven't arrived yet as well :P

He's really just berating stupid questions which is somewhat enjoyable.

Registrar reads out numbers.

Reporter: Can you reconfirm the number?

martingriff · 05-11-2020 07:22PM

The poor return officer from Clark County is a saint atm

Exclamation Marc · 05-11-2020 07:22PM

This guy needs to be hired as a press secretary. Taking absolutely no sh*t.

However the statement that the goal of Clark County is to not count fast but count accurate, was quite funny.

Gbear · 05-11-2020 07:23PM

Brian? wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's hyperbole.

The inability of people at this stage to see naked fascism at play really has nothing to excuse it.

Kiith · 05-11-2020 07:23PM

Yeah, he should do more press conferences...nailing this one

MJohnston · 05-11-2020 07:23PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1324415080226643971

Ralston is THE Nevada guy. That’s as much of a call as we’ll get tonight.

jasonb · 05-11-2020 07:27PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Yes.
Mail votes have signatures which need to be checked, also needs to be cross checked against in person records

Cool, thanks for explaining that!

hirondelle · 05-11-2020 07:30PM

Does anyone know if it is possible to search the results by county? I went down a rabbit hole from a recently- deleted poster but ended up clicking on the interactive state maps, but there are a lot of counties!

The info is displayed in percentages and obviously the populations in some of the counties are tiny. So, in short I would like to find the Trumpiest County and the Bideniest counties in the states. Some of the red (rural) counties are in the high eighties (Jackson County, KY being the current #1 for Trump at 89.2% and New York county for Biden at 84.5 %- that I have found so far).

I'm coming from the notion that there did appear to be a lot of Trump voters who got all shy when the pollsters visited, but they sure as hell didn't need to be shy if 80+% of their neighbours felt the same way!

MJohnston · 05-11-2020 07:33PM

hirondelle wrote: »

Does anyone know if it is possible to search the results by county? I went down a rabbit hole from a recently- deleted poster but ended up clicking on the interactive state maps, but there are a lot of counties!

The info is displayed in percentages and obviously the populations in some of the counties are tiny. So, in short I would like to find the Trumpiest County and the Bideniest counties in the states. Some of the red (rural) counties are in the high eighties (Jackson County, KY being the current #1 for Trump at 89.2% and New York county for Biden at 84.5 %- that I have found so far).

I'm coming from the notion that there did appear to be a lot of Trump voters who got all shy when the pollsters visited, but they sure as hell didn't need to be shy if 80+% of their neighbours felt the same way!

I don’t know where you can find that data but I’m sure you can figure it out from Decision Desk (there’s only 50 states after all

) but just on your last point, I think more likely than Shy Trump voters is that Trump voters just aren’t responding to pollsters.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 05-11-2020 07:35PM

hirondelle wrote: »

Does anyone know if it is possible to search the results by county? I went down a rabbit hole from a recently- deleted poster but ended up clicking on the interactive state maps, but there are a lot of counties!

The info is displayed in percentages and obviously the populations in some of the counties are tiny. So, in short I would like to find the Trumpiest County and the Bideniest counties in the states. Some of the red (rural) counties are in the high eighties (Jackson County, KY being the current #1 for Trump at 89.2% and New York county for Biden at 84.5 %- that I have found so far).

I'm coming from the notion that there did appear to be a lot of Trump voters who got all shy when the pollsters visited, but they sure as hell didn't need to be shy if 80+% of their neighbours felt the same way!

I'm assuming you know about sites like these? https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president

I don't know if anyone has arranged the data yet to show the most extreme Biden/Trump counties yet though.

From a quick going over I see that Cleburne in Bama is 89.8% Trump. I'd say there's bound to be a few more counties in the deep South touching 90%.

EDIT: Cameron County LA is 90.9% Trump. Bottom left county in LA. 3994 total votes though.

Brussels Sprout · 05-11-2020 07:35PM

These lads are taking it well I see...

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1324405952708300802

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1324405345448464384

TomOnBoard · 05-11-2020 07:37PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Always best to take anything on Twitter like that as complete twaddle unless confirmed otherwise by somebody reputable. Many somebodys preferably.

Absolutely! However, peddlers of lies and misinformation follow the long established truism:

"Falsehood will fly, as it were, on the wings of the wind, and carry its tales to every corner of the earth; whilst truth lags behind; her steps, though sure, are slow and solemn, and she has neither vigour nor activity enough to pursue and overtake her enemy…" ...c.1787 sermons by Thomas Francklin.

Social Media engines have been invaded for years by those who use that as their operating principle. The whole debacle that has been Trumpism has been nourished to obesity by the principle, often attributed to Churchill's "A lie will travel halfway around the world before truth has got its boots on"!

Chips Lovell · 05-11-2020 07:38PM

Jo jo the eskimo wrote: »

So are trump supporters actually chanting
COUNT THE VOTE and STOP THE COUNT depending on which state their in

I think it's easy overstate the importance of the objective truth in the post-truth age. It genuinely doesn't matter any more.

I read The Light That Failed recently and it's pretty strong on insights into Trumpism, not least in comparing him to Forza Italia, the political party as football club, where loyalty to the team is more important than anything else.

It also had this to say:

Liberals initially believed they could erode Trump's popularity by unmasking his innumerable lies. But the avalanche of disclosures had no effect. To understand the willingness of Trump's supporters to accept his lying ways, it will help to draw on the distinction, developed by the British philosopher Bernard Williams, between 'accuracy' and 'sincerity'. People can be truthful about two states of affairs: about what occurs out there in the world and about what they feel inside. Statements about the former are judged by criteria of accuracy or inaccuracy. Statements about the second are judged by criteria of sincerity or insincerity. The former can be fact-checked, the latter cannot

Trump's most zealous fans are wholly indifferent to revelations that his statements are very often inaccurate because they believe these statements are sincere and thus 'true' in a deeper sense. Trump is constantly telling demonstrable lies. But he has been totally candid about one thing. Everything he does, including telling lies, is meant to help him 'win'.

...

While Williams's distinction between accuracy and sincerity helps clarify certain aspects of Trump's popularity, it falls short in important respects. For one thing, it has always seemed that Birtherism was more cynical than sincere. We propose a modified distinction, therefore: not between accuracy and sincerity but between accuracy and loyalty. To paraphrase Arendt, for Trump and his supporters, every statement of fact dissolves into a declaration of membership or allegiance.

josip · 05-11-2020 07:40PM

seamus wrote: »

Janey, Trump will be incandescent if he loses PA or GA. But imagine both?

...

I'm getting quite a Downfall-esque feeling from Trump's panic stricken tweets and frivolous court challenges.
Not quite the same as sending out 15 year olds sharing a rifle with 5 bullets, but equally futile.
I wonder what the mood is in the White House right now.
Who have already started clearing their desks and are trying to escape through enemy lines?
How much of the country will they try to destroy before they leave?

Brussels Sprout · 05-11-2020 07:42PM

hirondelle wrote: »

The info is displayed in percentages and obviously the populations in some of the counties are tiny. So, in short I would like to find the Trumpiest County and the Bideniest counties in the states. Some of the red (rural) counties are in the high eighties (Jackson County, KY being the current #1 for Trump at 89.2% and New York county for Biden at 84.5 %- that I have found so far).

Dunno if D.C. is broken up into counties but it regularly goes over 90% for Dems - just checked and it's 93.4% Biden with 80% counted

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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