Would you report a crime, or try to stop a crime talking place

Pauliedragon · 05-11-2020 01:53PM

DilD wrote: »

That's different in my eyes, if there are a number of people who can easily and safely intervene then they should do so I feel.

A fight's a fight I think, whatever caused it. But if someone goes to the ground, the fight's over in my eyes. Those who carry on beating someone they've already knocked to the ground is a clown, and those who kick people in the head are straight up muppets. Hit someone a slap all you want if there's an altercation but end it there.

I agree 100%. I used to work late nights in pubs and the amount of violence I've seen is horrendous. I've been saying for years where is the aggression coming from? Maybe I'm just getting old but back in the day (I'm 40) a fight was a few punches and it was over now people are dancing on people's heads when they're unconscious. What does that achieve?

pgj2015 · 05-11-2020 01:57PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I agree 100%. I used to work late nights in pubs and the amount of violence I've seen is horrendous. I've been saying for years where is the aggression coming from? Maybe I'm just getting old but back in the day (I'm 40) a fight was a few punches and it was over now people are dancing on people's heads when they're unconscious. What does that achieve?

maybe it is because of drugs like cocaine? but it has to be in you as well.

whisky_galore · 05-11-2020 02:12PM

A street fight, not a hope of intervening.
Maybe get a knife in the gut as a thank you. Too many scumbags carrying knives now.

Jequ0n · 05-11-2020 03:13PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

what if you saw someone robbing a house, would you call the guards?

I would and have reported crimes, I hate the kind of spineless people who turn a blind eye. me fein attitudes.

Maybe, difficult to answer. If I didn’t like the house owner I’d do **** all. If I knew and/ or liked them I might because it’d benefit me in the end.

pgj2015 · 05-11-2020 03:14PM

Jequ0n wrote: »

Maybe, difficult to answer. If I didn’t like the house owner I’d do **** all. If I knew and/ or liked them I might because it’d benefit me in the end.

me me me me me

Jequ0n · 05-11-2020 03:15PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

someone told me before that they wouldnt get involved if a house was being robbed, as it wasnt their business, the same person wants their kid to become a guard lol.

That’s actually hilarious!

John Frank Wilson · 05-11-2020 03:18PM

You're all a bunch of touts!

...Is what I would say if, I was an absolute sc*mb*g.

Jequ0n · 05-11-2020 03:20PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

me me me me me

Exactly

Feisar · 05-11-2020 03:23PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I agree 100%. I used to work late nights in pubs and the amount of violence I've seen is horrendous. I've been saying for years where is the aggression coming from? Maybe I'm just getting old but back in the day (I'm 40) a fight was a few punches and it was over now people are dancing on people's heads when they're unconscious. What does that achieve?

Dunno. In the same boat as yerself, used to work in pubs as well. I could never see the sense in fighting, I was always too busy trying to chase down tail or drinking a hape of pints to be wasting my time fighting.

pgj2015 · 05-11-2020 03:27PM

Feisar wrote: »

Dunno. In the same boat as yerself, used to work in pubs as well. I could never see the sense in fighting, I was always too busy trying to chase down tail or drinking a hape of pints to be wasting my time fighting.

I am the same, like lads ending up shirt ripped and hanging off them, covered in blood, broken nose, teeth, in a cell. what is the point of that?

Sprog 4 · 05-11-2020 03:35PM

Almost everything is worth reporting. Even if there are not enough resources available to deal with a particular incident directly at the time, having data on which crimes are occurring where and when is of crucial importance for planning the most efficient use of resources in the future.
No police force in the world can have people everywhere at once.

Thoie · 05-11-2020 03:49PM

The main "daily crime" I see might be someone doing 53kph in a 50kph zone. I don't report that, as
a) I'd spend my life on the phone
b) I don't have calibrated equipment to confirm the exact speed other drivers are doing.

If I saw someone swerving all over the road, obviously not in control of their car? I would, and have, called the gardaí.

Other crimes, like house breaking, assault, I'd probably call the gardaí as well. Unless the criminal was a 5 year old with rickets, I wouldn't be much good in physically preventing something happening.

JustAThought · 05-11-2020 04:13PM

as the stats will show - more & more people not reporting crimes or crimes not being followed up properly because people know nothing will be dine, gaurds under resourced and jaded and revolving door courts system mean that even if they are found, arrested, charged and it gets to court you take the days off work required to be a witness - the bloody judge lets them off.

In this country now even if you report a crime that happened to you the gaurds shrug their shoulders or take vague notes and don’t give a f* - don’t check cctv, say cctv is irrelevant unless the criminal admits its them, take 3+ hours to come 5 minutes down the road to a violent assault, don’t bother following of if you track down and iD the person who did the crime of shrug their shoulders and say they will write a report for insurance but do nothing about the crime themselves, never follow up or take witness statements etc etc etc

I don’t understand how people can stand by but I also see more & more why they do. When the authorities who are paid and sworn in to defend the law couldn’t be arsed and there are no consequences for the criminal what is the point? In the other hand some places have it sewn up where a neighbourhood ‘action group’ will go
out and sort out the toerags or scum and byepass the ‘justice system’ entirely. Far more effective IMO thou not a good precedent and a sign of an utterly dysfunctional system. Personally the last time I stopped waiting for gaurds when I was set on by a group & total strangers junkie scumbag gang I eventually after 20 minutes of ongoing attack and retreating & trying to be rational & calm totally lost the head I thought I’d be the one going to jail -luckily for me the gaurds knew the scumbag criminals involved and laughed him off - if I’d hadn’t have the red mist of a rage behind me there wouod have been no consequences for him whatsoever. And of the 50+ witnesses who stood by watching only one after about 20
minutes offered to help - the rest were too busy voyeuring & vidoeing to ring the gaurds - shocking beyond belief. The one day I didn’t have my phone with me.

Witcher · 05-11-2020 06:06PM

JustAThought wrote: »

Personally the last time I stopped waiting for gaurds when I was set on by a group & total strangers junkie scumbag gang I eventually after 20 minutes of ongoing attack and retreating & trying to be rational & calm totally lost the head I thought I’d be the one going to jail -luckily for me the gaurds knew the scumbag criminals involved and laughed him off - if I’d hadn’t have the red mist of a rage behind me there wouod have been no consequences for him whatsoever. And of the 50+ witnesses who stood by watching only one after about 20
minutes offered to help - the rest were too busy voyeuring & vidoeing to ring the gaurds - shocking beyond belief. The one day I didn’t have my phone with me.

Attacked for 20 minutes with 50 witnesses....complete fantasy stuff.

bb1234567 · 05-11-2020 07:05PM

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Saw a truck backing out of a yard in town one day, take the front off a parked car, I was sitting in a parked car across the road.

Truck driver got out looked at the damage, looked around and drove off.

In the meantime I'd pulled out my phone and snapped a couple of pics of the truck reg and yer man inspecting the damage.

I went to the garda station and reported it, photos were taken. Got a call from the car owner next day to thank me, said it was all being sorted. Car was a write off

This story made me happy

GarIT · 05-11-2020 07:06PM

I actually did report a junkie punching a woman he was with in the head at a Luas stop. Looked like a couple having an argument, he saw me looking back while on the phone and started coming towards me shouting so I walked away. An hour later the guards call, were at the stop now where are they, I said probably got on the Luas, all they said was "ah right yeah" and that was it.

Edgware · 05-11-2020 08:23PM

Witcher wrote: »

Attacked for 20 minutes with 50 witnesses....complete fantasy stuff.

You wont say that when it wins an Oscar

JustAThought · 06-11-2020 01:56AM

Witcher wrote: »

Attacked for 20 minutes with 50 witnesses....complete fantasy stuff.

No. But you carry on with your victim denial there.
Plenty of home grown scobie savages in this country - and plenty of voyeurs too.

Kylta · 06-11-2020 09:55AM

spook_cook wrote: »

"A man like me, I can't let the public see my skills. So I ran. But they followed. Oh why did they follow? This was their chance, their one shot to get away... I ran.

Ended up in an alley. As I had planned. They blocked the escape (their escape) and the leader stepped forward "We just wanted your phone and money but now, well now we want some fun!" and the gang hooted and cheered. I looked at my shoes and smirked "THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT?" They thugs went quiet... they didn't understand.

I quickly lunged at the large guy on the right. A kiss from my fists and he was asleep. Immediately I engaged a swinging reverse round-house kick, taking out two more lackeys.

Things got serious. A knife was pulled. It was all over in flash. The street gang lay at my feet. Again I asked the head punk, "Right or left"... He was so bloodied and out of it that I gave him both. They say broken arms raise no fists...

I exited the alley and drew on my cigarette. "Hey make sure you put that in the bin" said a passerby. "Oh I spent my days cleaning the filth off the streets" I assured her.

Did you create it yourself, or is it from a script? If so what script?

Feisar · 06-11-2020 10:49AM

Kylta wrote: »

Did you create it yourself, or is it from a script? If so what script?

It was actually really good! The only thing I'd change is the reverse roundhouse. As someone who used to dance around in angry white pajamas the only time I'd kick someone in the head in an assault is after I kicked them in the knee and they were on the ground. Nothing sexy required then, soccer kick to the head.

Feisar · 06-11-2020 10:50AM

spook_cook wrote: »

"That was the thing with Kylta. Hell of a name from God knows where, but where ever it was the people there thought the universe was clockwork. Everything had to go according to the "script", the plan by the Big Guy.

"There ain't none of that here" I said. "It's me and you, and the final chapter... well it isn't in ink yet".

"You can't mean it, going back their is suicide!" squealed K. "Enough" and I calmed her with a back strike of my hand. Hysterics have no place when a man is facing an unknown night.

"Of course I'm going back. I owe it, me and him, we came up together. I leave no-one behind." A quite sob started "but what about me? You're leaving me behind.." K cried. I grabbed my hammer, some lead and embraced the remainder of a whiskey bottle. "Another life K, another script. That's what it should have been for us" I closed the door...

Do me, do me!

Kylta · 06-11-2020 12:01PM

Feisar wrote: »

It was actually really good! The only thing I'd change is the reverse roundhouse. As someone who used to dance around in angry white pajamas the only time I'd kick someone in the head in an assault is after I kicked them in the knee and they were on the ground. Nothing sexy required then, soccer kick to the head.

Would it not be better for the reluctant hero to get shot in the bollox, not like kill him, turn him into a eunuch. Give him something to hold onto (sorry their gone) moving forward as he continues his vigilante crime spree against the poor undesirable lowlife of dublin. The media could call him the phantom balless bollox. I'm sure the sunday world could do an expo on the castrated crusader. Now that sells papers

Potential-Monke · 06-11-2020 11:02PM

I think the bigger question in all this, and something that is always forgotten about or not considered, is;

Would you be wiling to intervene, make a statement and go to court to give evidence?

Being an ex-Garda, I always imagined that even after I quit, if I saw a crime I would intervene. But there's so much to think about that sometimes it's not worth the risk. A good example brought up are people fighting. You've no idea if you intervene will they all turn on you, as has happened many, many times. The good Samaritan ends up being the victim, and as rightly pointed out the justice system is severely lacking in this country that it may not be worth the risk to get involved.

I would like to think I'd step in if I was to witness any sexually motivated assault, or any abduction attempts, etc. But for fights I probably wouldn't, but I would ring the Gardai and make a statement if required as a witness. No point jumping in to help if you can't at least believe you won't get turned on, so jumping in to help on a 10v1 fight would be a bad idea imo. Shoplifters I wouldn't intervene with, but I might make it known to security if possible. If I saw a single person do a purse snatch, I'd try to stop them I reckon.

But at the end of the day, you need to be willing to make a statement and go to court, otherwise there may be a lack of evidence and it wouldn't go anywhere. CCTV is great an all, but while I can record in 4K on my phone, most shops still have 480p cameras which are not set up correctly so usually useless. Actually bothers me that a lot of shops don't take security monitoring more seriously, and give out then when someone can't be identified on their potato systems. As the French would say, le sigh.

pgj2015 · 06-11-2020 11:29PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I think the bigger question in all this, and something that is always forgotten about or not considered, is;

Would you be wiling to intervene, make a statement and go to court to give evidence?

Being an ex-Garda, I always imagined that even after I quit, if I saw a crime I would intervene. But there's so much to think about that sometimes it's not worth the risk. A good example brought up are people fighting. You've no idea if you intervene will they all turn on you, as has happened many, many times. The good Samaritan ends up being the victim, and as rightly pointed out the justice system is severely lacking in this country that it may not be worth the risk to get involved.

I would like to think I'd step in if I was to witness any sexually motivated assault, or any abduction attempts, etc. But for fights I probably wouldn't, but I would ring the Gardai and make a statement if required as a witness. No point jumping in to help if you can't at least believe you won't get turned on, so jumping in to help on a 10v1 fight would be a bad idea imo. Shoplifters I wouldn't intervene with, but I might make it known to security if possible. If I saw a single person do a purse snatch, I'd try to stop them I reckon.

But at the end of the day, you need to be willing to make a statement and go to court, otherwise there may be a lack of evidence and it wouldn't go anywhere. CCTV is great an all, but while I can record in 4K on my phone, most shops still have 480p cameras which are not set up correctly so usually useless. Actually bothers me that a lot of shops don't take security monitoring more seriously, and give out then when someone can't be identified on their potato systems. As the French would say, le sigh.

The 2 times I intervened, the guy on the ground was getting kicked in the head, there is something about that I feel where you have to step in, kicking someone in the head could kill the person on the ground. The first time there was 2 lads kicking him but then suddenly a few more appeared and i was lucky to get away, one lad went for me and he was like something possessed, off his head on coke id say.

Potential-Monke · 06-11-2020 11:42PM

And therein lies the danger. If I was in a group I'd definitely say it to the group to intervene, but if it was just me I wouldn't, but I would watch and be willing to give a statement if needed.

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