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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #3152
    droidus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So it looks like it’ll be a couple of hours at least until there’s any calls. That call by Fox News and the AP of Arizona to Biden early doors leaves him on 264 and if Arizona goes to Biden which is six electoral votes Fox News and other networks will be out of step with each other and Fox News could have Biden as president elect and the others won’t because they haven’t called Arizona. Just from reading tweets this morning and seeing videos, the trump base and Fox News love affair is if not over, it’s on the rocks.

    If I was a US Trump supporter I imagine the betrayal of Fox and Mitch McConnell might be more of a concern/outrage than whatever lib-media-big-tech-ballot-fraud narrative is being spun by the right wing loons. Looks like the conservative establishment has turned its back on Trump.


  • #3153
    peteeeed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s so weird and fûcked up, to be waking up, to read a headline, about an election in the supposed greatest democracy on earth..

    “Donald Trump supporters - some armed with rifles and handguns - have descended on election counting centres where mail-in ballots continue to be tallied up.”

    I mean what the actual fûck ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-supporters-some-armed-with-rifles-gather-outside-vote-counting-centres-for-protests-12124244

    you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army


  • #3154
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    droidus wrote: »
    If I was a US Trump supporter I imagine the betrayal of Fox and Mitch McConnell might be more of a concern/outrage than whatever lib-media-big-tech-ballot-fraud narrative is being spun by the right wing loons. Looks like the conservative establishment has turned its back on Trump.

    Politics is ruthless. A useful idiot is only an idiot once they have out lived their usefulness.


  • #3155
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    peteeeed wrote: »
    you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army

    Except there's always a tweet

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169217531056130?s=19


  • #3156
    thebaz
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    Brian? wrote: »
    I can only see one winner in Pennsylvania so.

    Go on Philly


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  • #3157
    bennyl10
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    Georgia due by 5pm seemingly


  • #3158
    Strumms
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    peteeeed wrote: »
    you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army

    This is nutsville. World is ....:confused:


  • #3159
    duploelabs
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Politics is ruthless. A useful idiot is only an idiot once they have out lived their usefulness.

    Exactly why trump won't be on a plane to Russia at the earliest opportunity


  • #3160
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Politics is ruthless. A useful idiot is only an idiot once they have out lived their usefulness.

    As optimistic as it is to think that Trump has outlived his usefulness he still unfortunately has a large, militant following and won't go away even if he loses this election.


  • #3161
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Following Georgia and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania over the past day or so, has been like following a run chase in cricket.

    You know the required run rate, how many overs are left and whether the actual run rate (% break to Biden each announcement) is enough.


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  • #3162
    Brussels Sprout
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    We've often heard about Ohio being the ultimate bellweather state. It had chosen the overall winner in each election all the way back to 1960 (when it went with Nixon over JFK). Well assuming that Trump does indeed lose then that long streak has finally been broken.

    I was looking to see what the new longest streak would be. Turns out it isn't really that long.

    Michigan, Wisconsin* and Pennsylvania* will have chosen the overall winner in each the last 4 elections - all 3 of them chose John Kerry in 2004.


    *assuming Biden actually wins the state in the end


  • #3163
    Penn
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    josip wrote: »
    Following Georgia and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania over the past day or so, has been like following a run chase in cricket.

    You know the required run rate, how many overs are left and whether the actual run rate (% break to Biden each announcement) is enough.

    If nothing else, watching CNN's stream has greatly enhanced my geographical knowledge of America.

    Though it is fairly limited to the 8 states they keep showing :D


  • #3164
    Penn
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    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    We've often heard about Ohio being the ultimate bellweather state. It had chosen the overall winner in each election all the way back to 1960 (when it went with Nixon over JFK). Well assuming that Trump does indeed lose then that long streak has finally been broken.

    I was looking to see what the new longest streak would be. Turns out it isn't really that long.

    Michigan, Wisconsin* and Pennsylvania* will have chosen the overall winner in each the last 4 elections - all 3 of them chose John Kerry in 2004.


    *assuming Biden actually wins the state in the end

    As someone on Twitter said, this election won't end with a bang, but with a WI/MI/PA


  • #3165
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Comment on Biden on CNN that this is just the right time for him to be a Presidential candidate and that he has the ideal skill set for a post-Trump landscape. The question is, what could he, as President, get done in the face of a probable Rep Senate.


  • #3166
    pixelburp
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    Looking at the figures, Trump apparently increased his votes overall, while his share among whites; so if Biden is truly going for reconciliation it'll take a lot of work. Trumpism seems to be something that won't disappear overnight - especially if the man himself continues to badger from the sidelines. The cult has asserted itself and even if the transfer of power goes smoothly (it won't), the stain will linger. The midterms will be interesting, insofar as seeing what GOP members adopt Trumpist approaches.


  • #3167
    Carfacemandog
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    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s so weird and fûcked up, to be waking up, to read a headline, about an election in the supposed greatest democracy on earth..

    “Donald Trump supporters - some armed with rifles and handguns - have descended on election counting centres where mail-in ballots continue to be tallied up.”

    I mean what the actual fûck ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-supporters-some-armed-with-rifles-gather-outside-vote-counting-centres-for-protests-12124244
    Some of us have been saying that would be the case literally for years now, only to be shouted down by people claiming it was overreacting and all will be fine.

    I hope they were right, but it's looking less and less like it as time goes by.


  • #3168
    Itssoeasy
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Comment on Biden on CNN that this is just the right time for him to be a Presidential candidate and that he has the ideal skill set for a post-Trump landscape. The question is, what could he, as President, get done in the face of a probable Rep Senate.

    Well if both Georgia senate seats go to a runoff in January then hold on to your hats as they say. It’ll be like the six nations where one country knows what they have to do to win.


  • #3169
    Inquitus
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    josip wrote: »
    Following Georgia and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania over the past day or so, has been like following a run chase in cricket.

    You know the required run rate, how many overs are left and whether the actual run rate (% break to Biden each announcement) is enough.

    If it breaks this way, which is looking less likely now, but still possible we can end up at 269-269

    Biden - GA
    Trump - AZ, NV, PA


  • #3170
    Brian?
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    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s so weird and fûcked up, to be waking up, to read a headline, about an election in the supposed greatest democracy on earth..

    “Donald Trump supporters - some armed with rifles and handguns - have descended on election counting centres where mail-in ballots continue to be tallied up.”

    I mean what the actual fûck ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-supporters-some-armed-with-rifles-gather-outside-vote-counting-centres-for-protests-12124244

    Honestly, people need to calm down about the guns. These guys are armed every day. They didn't take the gun out of storage to go protesting.

    Most of the long rifles are 22 calibre semi autos. If things kick off they haven't a hope against the police or National Guard. They know that.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3171
    peteeeed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    Democratic senator bob casey on CNN now very funny and seems in no doubt its a win for biden in PN


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  • #3172
    Inquitus
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well if both Georgia senate seats go to a runoff in January then hold on to your hats as they say. It’ll be like the six nations where one country knows what they have to do to win.

    Aye it will be an interesting Dynamic, it actually looks like Trump has really got out his vote well, and dragged up down ticket people with turnout, one would assume in a run off the GOP vote will be a lot softer, hopefully the Dem voters remember how important those reruns are to Biden and his ability to shape the country.


  • #3173
    Movementarian
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    Am I alone in still having a nervous feeling that Trump will still somehow squeak this by winning Arizona, Georgia and Pensylvania?....

    Just can't shake it...really hope not...


  • #3174
    Jo jo the eskimo
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    It'll be bittersweet cos most opposed to trump all they really want is to live in a prosperous nation.
    Some will knock a few hours outta " suck it up you lost" stuff, before they realize how childish they're being.
    It looks like democracy has just about managed to hold on.


  • #3175
    Brian?
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    peteeeed wrote: »
    you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army

    He can't deploy the army in the US. The state governors are deploying the national guard in some cases though.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3176
    peteeeed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    Brian? wrote: »
    He can't deploy the army in the US. The state governors are deploying the national guard in some cases though.

    yeah i meant you would think the POTUS would be the one protecting it not causing the chaos


  • #3177
    MJohnston
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    Movementarian wrote: »
    Am I alone in still having a nervous feeling that Trump will still somehow squeak this by winning Arizona, Georgia and Pensylvania?....

    Just can't shake it...really hope not...

    What’s keeping me confident in Arizona is how much Fox News’ decision desk have been pressure over it in the last 24 hours, and how firm they’re standing on the choice.


  • #3178
    murpho999
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    Movementarian wrote: »
    Am I alone in still having a nervous feeling that Trump will still somehow squeak this by winning Arizona, Georgia and Pensylvania?....

    Just can't shake it...really hope not...

    It's highly unlikely at this stage and more likely that Biden could take all three.


  • #3179
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    Movementarian wrote: »
    Am I alone in still having a nervous feeling that Trump will still somehow squeak this by winning Arizona, Georgia and Pensylvania?....

    Just can't shake it...really hope not...

    Understandable to be anxious, especially with the way this year has been for horror moments. Pennsylvania is keeping me from being a nervous wreck right now. As long as those in the know are positive about there then the other states become less significant for the arithmetic.


  • #3180
    Brian?
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    peteeeed wrote: »
    yeah i meant you would think the POTUS would be the one protecting it not causing the chaos

    I agree. He's an absolute disgrace

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #3181
    Akabusi
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    Movementarian wrote: »
    Am I alone in still having a nervous feeling that Trump will still somehow squeak this by winning Arizona, Georgia and Pensylvania?....

    Just can't shake it...really hope not...

    Calm down, this is done. Enjoy the bile that will come from Trump and his supporters in the coming hours.


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