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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • #5402
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,927 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    The Republicans are saying they nominated a person with the credentials to scrutinise the counting and he was told he had to keep 30 feet away from the counting. You can't verify the counting is being done fairly if you can't see what they are doing, what they decide the standard is for a 'spoiled' or unclear vote etc.

    source?


  • #5403
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Necro wrote: »
    Don't understand why Trump fans can't debate without the stupid petty generalisations, conspiracy theories and downright nasty attacks.

    This is all they have, their arguments don't stand up to any kind of scrutiny or logic so they have to rely on generalisations, conspiracy theories etc.


  • #5404
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,818 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Laois_Man wrote: »

    Georgia - Trump ahead by 18,500. Biden is gaining but only 4% (200,000 votes) left to go. Biden needs to win about two-thirds of remaining votes to take the state.

    two-thirds would sound a difficult task, but on your figures it's closer to 55%.
    i.e., a 110K-90K split does it.


  • #5405
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Penn wrote: »
    Some outlets called AZ early for Biden. Even though he's still in the lead, Trump still has a chance to overtake him and the last update showed he still could, so AZ shouldn't have been called so early.

    As for the delay in general, a lot of the votes being counted now are mail in, so there are more things to be checked in terms of matching signatures, opening/checking envelopes etc. They're also mostly from the most populous areas so more votes to be counted.

    Plus it's about 7am on the east coast at the minute, so some areas stopped counting for the night and will be continuing again soon.

    Cheers.

    It's mad that there was the ruling about signatures not having to be checked as well as requiring no evidence that the ballot was sent in before election day in PA. There's at least an argument about signatures changing over time and are not always the same. But in those cases where no signature check and no postmark is on it, what exactly are they validating? Basically if the name is on the voter file?


  • #5406
    MoonUnit75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Penn wrote: »
    And that's what's happening. Each state has their own agreed processes for transparency, oversight and vote monitoring, and there has been no suggestion that any state has broken those processes. What Trump supporters are claiming is that they're not being allowed to do things that they're not actually allowed to do in the first place.

    From what I gather they aren't allowed scrutinise the counting as in previous elections because of covid restricitons on the number of people allowed in and proximity to the people counting. That would mean it isn't as transparent as previous years.


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  • #5407
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    The Republicans are saying they nominated a person with the credentials to scrutinise the counting and he was told he had to keep 30 feet away from the counting. You can't verify the counting is being done fairly if you can't see what they are doing, what they decide the standard is for a 'spoiled' or unclear vote etc.

    How much do you know about the organisation of vote counting in various US states. Who's allowed in, who's not etc.
    Probably not much. I don't either.

    Why is no one other than certain republicans talking about this?
    Why is there not a review from the election body into why this man wasn't allowed in? Was he meant to be allowed in? Did he even have a right to be there?
    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    From what I gather they aren't allowed scrutinise the counting as in previous elections because of covid restricitons on the number of people allowed in and proximity to the people counting. That would mean it isn't as transparent as previous years.

    That's reasonable enough.

    "Sorry Sir, COVID restrictions, we can't have too many people in the counting area. "

    "What??? Voter fraud!! My rights!! Transparency!! blah blah."

    Show the proof of the fraud.


  • #5408
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    how TF is this ****show not over yet? i think trump would have lost a fair few supporters yesterday with his behavior. if you have something concrete, go to the courts. if you dont have anything, accept defeat graciously.

    Normally I would agree with that statement, but if anyone who still supports Trump after the last 4 years of madness, then yesterdays speech is hardly going to change their mind.
    It was simply classic Trump and well anticipated.


  • #5409
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,927 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    From what I gather they aren't allowed scrutinise the counting as in previous elections because of covid restricitons on the number of people allowed in and proximity to the people counting. That would mean it isn't as transparent as previous years.

    gather from where?


  • #5410
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Actually maybe someone living in the states can correct this but what I read was the house decides but votes in state blocks and that that would actually suit the republicans. I don't think it'll actually come up but...
    Thta's what I understand as well - one vote per state


  • #5411
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Polar101


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    You can't verify the counting is being done fairly if you can't see what they are doing, what they decide the standard is for a 'spoiled' or unclear vote etc.

    Best way to verify that the claims are probably rubbish is that they only found "problems" where Trump wasn't winning.


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  • #5412
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    An answer straight out of the Trump playbook :rolleyes:

    "We condemn in the strongest most possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. On many sides," Trump said.

    "But Mr. President - we must call evil by its name. These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism."

    would that not be hugely partisan of trump if he only condemned 1 side?

    both sides were doing ****, and he condemned both sides. he also said both sides have good people.

    like, do you disagree with any of that?


  • #5413
    ThewhiteJesus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    joe40 wrote: »
    Normally I would agree with that statement, but if anyone who still supports Trump after the last 4 years of madness, then yesterdays speech is hardly going to change their mind.
    It was simply classic Trump and well anticipated.

    it was 66 mill for trump and 70mill for Joe last night anyway,
    mad figures really when you think about it


  • #5414
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    degrassinoel wrote: »
    armed trump protesters in AZ apparently shouting "let us in" to the counting offices.

    If they are armed, they are not "protesters". Terrorists or insurgents would be more accurate imo.


  • #5415
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    Polar101 wrote: »
    I feel he's too old, and his campaign seemed just to be "I'm not Trump". I'm surprised they couldn't find anyone better.

    Maybe they are saving someone better for when they are up against someone less of a loon than Trump.


  • #5416
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    From what I gather they aren't allowed scrutinise the counting as in previous elections because of covid restricitons on the number of people allowed in and proximity to the people counting. That would mean it isn't as transparent as previous years.

    How much were they "scrutinising" the counting in Florida or other guaranteed red states?


  • #5417
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    From what I gather they aren't allowed scrutinise the counting as in previous elections because of covid restricitons on the number of people allowed in and proximity to the people counting. That would mean it isn't as transparent as previous years.

    From what I remember from one PA count centre, they said there were over 400 observers in that centre, which was actually in excess of what they were allowed to have. There should have been I think 134 R, 134 D and about 70 Ind.

    Covid certainly may be affecting things, but regardless there is an agreed process in place and there's been no proven accusations that those processes have been broken to the detriment of any candidate. Most of the accusations of wrongdoing are people claiming they haven't been allowed to do something they were never allowed to do regardless.


  • #5418
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    degrassinoel wrote: »
    armed trump protesters in AZ apparently shouting "let us in" to the counting offices.

    They're all at it on both sides I'd say.

    That's the moral equivocation we need to make here, right?


  • #5419
    Tij da feen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Tij da feen


    Dems have a chance at 50-50 Senate again. The Georgia race has Perdue (Republican) sitting at exactly 50.0%. If a few more votes nudge him down then it goes to a run-off election.


  • #5420
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    Padre_Pio wrote: »

    "What??? Voter fraud!! My rights!! Transparency!! blah blah."

    Show the proof of the fraud.

    He doesn't need to show proof. His base just believe anything he sees. See last 4 years.

    Even if he clearly says something incorrect, they will say he meant...

    There is no talking to them. Looks to be over for a bit anyway.

    America voting against lying and misinformation and any of that right wing rubbish by the looks of it. Long may it continue.


  • #5421
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Penn wrote: »
    From what I remember from one PA count centre, they said there were over 400 observers in that centre, which was actually in excess of what they were allowed to have. There should have been I think 134 R, 134 D and about 70 Ind.

    Covid certainly may be affecting things, but regardless there is an agreed process in place and there's been no proven accusations that those processes have been broken to the detriment of any candidate. Most of the accusations of wrongdoing are people claiming they haven't been allowed to do something they were never allowed to do regardless.

    have the process been broken (never mind the potential outcome)? if no, then no issue. if yes, then further questions do need to be asked.


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  • #5422
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    would that not be hugely partisan of trump if he only condemned 1 side?

    both sides were doing ****, and he condemned both sides. he also said both sides have good people.

    like, do you disagree with any of that?

    The riot started with a Unite the Right rally, a white supremacist crowd chanting racist and anti-semetic slogans, protesting the removal of a confedarate statue.

    One white supremacist (read: terrorist) rammed a car into counter-protestors, killed a woman and injured 17 others.

    How can you agree with any of that??


  • #5423
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Tchaikovsky wrote: »
    Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself

    He said asylum seekers crossing Dover should be let drown. He has no shame.


  • #5424
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Tij da feen wrote: »
    Dems have a chance at 50-50 Senate again. The Georgia race has Perdue (Republican) sitting at exactly 50.0%. If a few more votes nudge him down then it goes to a run-off election.

    about 115k ahead with more than 99% in.


  • #5425
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,876 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Tij da feen wrote: »
    Dems have a chance at 50-50 Senate again. The Georgia race has Perdue (Republican) sitting at exactly 50.0%. If a few more votes nudge him down then it goes to a run-off election.

    Yeah it's not clear to me on what the criteria is, is it at least 1 single vote under 50% or a 0.1% point? One commentator specified 49.9%

    Imagine the money the Democrats would spend on 2 run off elections in Georgia that would give them effectively a majority if they win the Presidency


  • #5426
    Tij da feen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Tij da feen


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    about 115k ahead with more than 99% in.

    Ahead doesn't matter. If he drops to 49.9% then it goes to a runoff election. 50% or over is needed to get the seat.


  • #5427
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    8-10 wrote: »
    Yeah it's not clear to me on what the criteria is, is it at least 1 single vote under 50% or a 0.1% point? One commentator specified 49.9%

    Imagine the money the Democrats would spend on 2 run off elections in Georgia that would give them effectively a majority if they win the Presidency

    You never count in percentages. It would be on the number of votes.

    So it would be whatever exactly 50% of votes is less 1 vote. That's the maximum that the Dems need Perdue to achieve.


  • #5428
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    have the process been broken (never mind the potential outcome)? if no, then no issue. if yes, then further questions do need to be asked.

    Agreed, and if either side presents proof of it there are legal avenues for them to avail of to challenge it.

    Nothing of what the Trump campaign has alleged so far though has come with any proof, and given Trump's claims before the election and following early results demonstrates that their only reason for challenging is for spurious reasons because it's his last chance at winning states he looks likely to lose.


  • #5429
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,225 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Cheers.

    It's mad that there was the ruling about signatures not having to be checked as well as requiring no evidence that the ballot was sent in before election day in PA. There's at least an argument about signatures changing over time and are not always the same. But in those cases where no signature check and no postmark is on it, what exactly are they validating? Basically if the name is on the voter file?

    Every state is independent and sets it own rules regarding voting. Fir instance in Georgia there is no excuse postal voting in other state you have to give a reason why you requested a postal ballot.

    In PA they pre stamp the ballot( another name for free postage) the advantage is it supposed to speed up delivery of ballots I presume. In Georgia valid ballots provided they have an election day or pre election date postal date stamp on them is allowed until 12 days post election. There was a court order yesterday in Texas to force UPS to prioritize the delivery of postal ballots which had to be delivers by yesterday evening to be counted. This was though Texas was considered no longer in play.

    Trump want to delegitimize postal voting as Democratic voters use it more.however fraud rates are down around 0.0005% or less. That about 5 votes per million.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #5430
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    The riot started with a Unite the Right rally, a white supremacist crowd chanting racist and anti-semetic slogans, protesting the removal of a confedarate statue.

    One white supremacist (read: terrorist) rammed a car into counter-protestors, killed a woman and injured 17 others.

    How can you agree with any of that??

    i dont agree with any of that, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

    but did the left not turn up before to try and remove a monument which (as far as i am aware) is illegal?

    whatever your views on the removal of these statues, there are processes in place to have them removed. not just rocking up and pulling them down.


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  • #5431
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Hopefully nobody is sick of laughing at Donnie yet.. Apologies in advance!

    https://twitter.com/Spider_ma012345/status/1324069618265198592?s=09


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