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PlayStation 5 - Now with FAQ in OP.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Markitron wrote: »
    The vast majority of console gamers are playing on a TV, not a monitor. Most TVs are 1080p or 4K. The number of PS5 players that this will actually affect is miniscule in the grand scheme.

    Sony are pushing 120fps on their packaging. Most people's tvs can't output that level of FPS. Why are they offering this if it's a miniscule amount can actually use it?

    I would guarantee there's more people who'll play PS5 on a 1440P monitor than people who'll play it on a 120hz capable tv.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    Sony are pushing 120fps on their packaging. Most people's tvs can't output that level of FPS. Why are they offering this if it's a miniscule amount can actually use it?

    I would guarantee there's more people who'll play PS5 on a 1440P monitor than people who'll play it on a 120hz capable tv.

    For now. But the tv situation will evolve and grow over the course of the consoles life, the number of 1440 monitor users... not so much much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Paul MCM


    Only two weeks to go lads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    For now. But the tv situation will evolve and grow over the course of the consoles life, the number of 1440 monitor users... not so much much.

    A €400 1440P 120hz monitor is a hell of a lot more affordable than a €1000 4K 1200hz monitor so I wouldn't be so sure on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    A €400 1440P 120hz monitor is a hell of a lot more affordable than a €1000 4K 1200hz monitor so I wouldn't be so sure on that.

    For now, which is my point. TVs with that spec will get more common as they inevitably get cheaper and cheaper, while those on 1440p monitors are going to remain a niche group. People don’t generally buy consoles for monitors. What’s going to drive their numbers? In three years times which do you think will be the bigger use base?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    For now, which is my point. TVs with that spec will get more common as they inevitably get cheaper and cheaper, while those on 1440p monitors are going to remain a niche group. People don’t generally buy consoles for monitors. What’s going to drive their numbers? In three years times which do you think will be the bigger use base?

    Plethora of GPUs that offer excellent value for 1440P gaming at high refresh rates.

    I would be imagine in three years the amount of people who own 1440P monitors will be higher than people who own 4K 120hz tvs.


  • Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Brynn Rhythmic Beginner


    For now, which is my point. TVs with that spec will get more common as they inevitably get cheaper and cheaper, while those on 1440p monitors are going to remain a niche group. People don’t generally buy consoles for monitors. What’s going to drive their numbers? In three years times which do you think will be the bigger use base?
    Another assumption as consoles now look more and more like PCs everyday with both software and hardware.

    There are plenty of people who still don't have a standard 4k TV even now never mind 4K HDR 120hz.

    You underestimate the cost of entry. And they are selling next gen to these specifications to consumers as primary reasons to get them.

    Finding a middle ground is something consumers will always do.
    And 1440P resolution is a perfect middle ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    Plethora of GPUs that offer excellent value for 1440P gaming at high refresh rates.

    I would be imagine in three years the amount of people who own 1440P monitors will be higher than people who own 120hz tvs.

    And? You’re being deliberately obtuse. We’re taking about PlayStations here. Also, forgot to add that new console generations are one of biggest drivers of new television adoptions. That’s excluding the how the pandemic has set record tv sales.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    Another assumption as consoles now look more and more like PCs everyday with both software and hardware.

    There are plenty of people who still don't have a standard 4k TV even now never mind 4K HDR 120hz.

    You underestimate the cost of entry. And they are selling next gen to these specifications to consumers as primary reasons to get them.

    Finding a middle ground is something consumers will always do.
    And 1440P resolution is a perfect middle ground.

    Again. This isn’t a market that’s not going to grow on any meaningful way(if at all) for PlayStation. It’s not that hard to figure out why they didn’t support it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Tsdckcaj


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    Sony are pushing 120fps on their packaging. Most people's tvs can't output that level of FPS. Why are they offering this if it's a miniscule amount can actually use it?

    I would guarantee there's more people who'll play PS5 on a 1440P monitor than people who'll play it on a 120hz capable tv.

    It's for marketing. Same reason they have 8K advertised on the box.


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  • Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Brynn Rhythmic Beginner


    Again. This isn’t a market that’s not going to grow on any meaningful way(if at all) for PlayStation. It’s not that hard to figure out why they didn’t support it.

    I don't agree at all.
    All major gaming websites give it huge coverage and vast amount of streamers and influencers use them

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-best-gaming-monitor-7003


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    And? You’re being deliberately obtuse. We’re taking about PlayStations here. Also, forgot to add that new console generations are one of biggest drivers of new television adoptions. That’s excluding the how the pandemic has set record tv sales.

    I'm not being obtuse. You asked what will drive 1440P monitor sales. I explained that the availability of reasonably priced GPUs that can hit those resolutions at a high frame rate will. Steam survey shows the increase in people moving to 1440P.

    Someone else said that the amount of people using 1440P monitors will be miniscule so there was little point in catering for that group.

    However Sony are pushing 4K 120hz. The people who have that or will have that in the next three years will be lower than those who have 1440P monitors for two reasons, one is the cost of entry and two is the availability of content to use that 4K 120hz.

    It's just silly that Sony didn't provide a toggle to give native 1440P output option. A game can look excellent at native 1440P and maximum quality settings. I'd much prefer run a game at that than at 4K lower quality settings. Another benefit of 1440P is it's much easier to run than native 4K so can allow for higher frame rates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    JackCDSt wrote: »
    It's for marketing. Same reason they have 8K advertised on the box.

    Exactly. It's just silly to cater for people who have 8K available and not for people who have 1440P available. The amount of people who have 8K TVs would probably fit in Croke Park.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    I don't agree at all.
    All major gaming websites give it huge coverage and vast amount of streamers and influencers use them

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-best-gaming-monitor-7003

    Again, for very obvious reasons for their use cases (even excluding the fact those influencers are more likely to be sponsored by monitors over tv). I genuinely don’t understand how this isn’t the most obvious thing in the world to you. 1440p console gaming, is and will remain a niche area. Otherwise Sony would support it. 4K 120hz TVs install base may be tiny now, but it’s sure as **** going to grow (and fairly rapidly when you consider there’s not too many areas where TV
    Manufacturers can upgrade their product)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,527 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Not a game I'm interested in personally, but how they utilised the DualSense sounds cool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    It should not be difficult for Sony to support 1440p, as the AMD GPU probably already has support for it. They should surely be able to enable the option with minimal engineering work via an update.

    I see no good reason not to have the option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    wes wrote: »
    It should not be difficult for Sony to support 1440p, as the AMD GPU probably already has support for it. They should surely be able to enable the option with minimal engineering work via an update.

    I see no good reason not to have the option.

    Microsoft are giving the option to play at 1440P.

    I can honestly see no reason why it shouldn't be available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    wes wrote: »
    It should not be difficult for Sony to support 1440p, as the AMD GPU probably already has support for it. They should surely be able to enable the option with minimal engineering work via an update.

    I see no good reason not to have the option.

    I’m certain that it can support it, but this is down to costs. It’s incredibly simple guys. Features cost
    Money, and these expenses need to be justified. These aren’t PCs and people to break with that mentality (same with the HD camera inability to work with PSVR) Sony would have another resolution for their catalog that they’d have to ensure works and certify. The numbers obviously aren’t worth it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    Microsoft are giving the option to play at 1440P.

    I can honestly see no reason why it shouldn't be available.

    It’s almost as if Microsoft have a stake in another platform, isn’t it. Seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It’s almost as if Microsoft have a stake in another platform, isn’t it. Seriously.

    No, Microsoft are trying to provide a consumer friendly product that allows gamers to play how they want when they want. They're correcting the mistakes from One launch.

    If you want to play at 1080, 1440, 4k then go for it. If you want to play on console, pc or mobile then work away.

    There's literally no negative to offering 1440P output on the PS5 and allowing the end user have an option on the resolution they play.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    A €400 1440P 120hz monitor is a hell of a lot more affordable than a €1000 4K 1200hz monitor so I wouldn't be so sure on that.

    And a €500 4k 65" 60hz TV is a far more appealing and far more common choice for the 99% of people who aren't hardcore PC gamers and aren't going to arrange their living room and couch around a little monitor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    quokula wrote: »
    And a €500 4k 65" 60hz TV is a far more appealing and far more common choice for the 99% of people who aren't hardcore PC gamers and aren't going to arrange their living room and couch around a little monitor.

    Where can you get a tv with that spec at that price?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    No, Microsoft are trying to provide a consumer friendly product that allows gamers to play how they want when they want. They're correcting the mistakes from One launch.

    If you want to play at 1080, 1440, 4k then go for it. If you want to play on console, pc or mobile then work away.

    There's literally no negative to offering 1440P output on the PS5 and allowing the end user have an option on the resolution they play.

    Then go with MS then. They HAVE to have that support and I’m sure azure helps pay a few of the bills. Otherwise, The negative is Cost, cost, cost for Sony. I’m perplexed. I don’t how it I can make this any simpler.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Two things can be true simultaneously:

    It would be a very nice feature for Sony to natively support 1440p, and it’s a shame they aren’t (if the reports are accurate).

    The absence of the feature will impact a small minority of people, as the vast majority of PS5 owners will have it hooked up to a 1080p or 4K tv.

    (I say this as the owner of a 1440p / 144hz monitor and a 1080p tv - I’ll be hooking the PS5 up to the latter simply for comfort and space reasons.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    quokula wrote: »
    And a €500 4k 65" 60hz TV is a far more appealing and far more common choice for the 99% of people who aren't hardcore PC gamers and aren't going to arrange their living room and couch around a little monitor.

    I don't know anyone who has a their living room arranged around their PC monitor.

    But you've made my point exactly. The majority of PS5 owners will have 1080P TVs or monitors, the next biggest group will be 4K 60Hz owners (this will grow hugely in the next few years), then it'd be people with 1440P monitors, then 4K 120hz TV owners and lastly 8K TV owners.

    So someone else said earlier Sony didn't cater for 1440P users as it was miniscule. 4K 120Hz and 8K are an even smaller demographic so why cater for them? It can't be a cost saving measure or they wouldn't cater for 8K users.

    They do because they want to give the user the option. To ignore 1440P is wrong I feel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Then go with MS then. They HAVE to have that support and I’m sure azure helps pay a few of the bills. Otherwise, The negative is Cost, cost, cost for Sony. I’m perplexed. I don’t how it I can make this any simpler.

    I'm buying both.

    If cost is such an issue they should have dropped 8K until the mid gen refresh and supported 1440P now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    Where can you get a tv with that spec at that price?

    It took me 30 seconds to type "65 inch 4k tv" it into google and found one for €540 here on one of the first links. If you shop around, wait for black Friday etc, you'll easily find cheaper.

    And you're being deliberately pedantic to distract from the point at hand that the vast majority of people have TVs in their living rooms, not monitors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,179 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Wonder if all games have graphics options or will they auto detect? Like I have 1080p/60hz for now so don't need the higher options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,829 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Wonder if all games have graphics options or will they auto detect? Like I have 1080p/60hz for now so don't need the higher options.

    Aside from setting your monitor output in the menu, on a lot of games the past while, you can choose between resolution and performance too. I'd expect that to continue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    Two things can be true simultaneously:

    It would be a very nice feature for Sony to natively support 1440p, and it’s a shame they aren’t (if the reports are accurate).

    The absence of the feature will impact a small minority of people, as the vast majority of PS5 owners will have it hooked up to a 1080p or 4K tv.

    (I say this as the owner of a 1440p / 144hz monitor and a 1080p tv - I’ll be hooking the PS5 up to the latter simply for comfort and space reasons.)

    Exactly. I also own both a 1440p 144hz monitor on the desk in my office and a proper tv in the living room in front of my couch and I know which one I'll be using. Very few people have a 1440p monitor. Absolutely nobody who's in the market for a games console doesn't own a tv. So of course they're catering for the more important group. Another storm in a teacup from toxic elements of the gaming community who like to whinge at every opportunity.


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