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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #2702
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,907 ✭✭✭eire4


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    The campaign did this.

    This isn’t the media. This is a authoritarian who doesn’t want to release power and wants to undermine an election

    Sadly your right and a Republican party that is all in with this. This is not just about the current president the Republican party has shown it will stoop to any level to maintain power and is at best a quasi democratic political party.


  • #2703
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    Are the Republican Party heirarchy going to do anything to reign him in I wonder? They must realise that if they continue to hitch themselves to his antics, they risk damaging their party's standing in the future. Trump is not GOP establishment, and if he does lose will disappear off to chat shows and conspiracy theory sites, or celebrity endorsements afterwards. The GOP will have to pick up pieces from whatever damage he does.


  • #2704
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Biden will speak soon.


  • #2705
    embraer170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Will Trump speak tonight?


  • #2706
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Patser wrote: »
    Are the Republican Party heirarchy going to do anything to reign him in I wonder? They must realise that if they continue to hitch themselves to his antics, they risk damaging their party's standing in the future. Trump is not GOP establishment, and if he does lose will disappear off to chat shows and conspiracy theory sites, or celebrity endorsements afterwards. The GOP will have to pick up pieces from whatever damage he does.

    I have a bit of a feeling , now that the Senate races are done , that they will sit down and think that controlling the Senate and having tilted the Supreme court for a generation that that might be enough for them for now.

    They'll allow him to have his hissy fit today but the counts will continue and the results will stand.

    That doesn't diminish the damage he's doing to their democratic structures and their Global standing.

    The whole world is watching and cringing at his behaviour.


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  • #2707
    letowski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭letowski


    Any news on when we will get the rest of the Georgia votes counted?

    Feels like we've bee waiting 24 hours for the final few percent.


  • #2708
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    embraer170 wrote: »
    Will Trump speak tonight?

    I think the challenge will be stopping him.

    He's going to keep ranting here until he gets shut down by the courts (hopefully)


  • #2709
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,668 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Trump suing everyone lol

    The votes are not even completed yet and Trump is throwsing a hissy fit. Stinks of a desperate of an old man that know's he's cooked


  • #2710
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Exactly - There are 6 States still undeclared.

    Biden needs 22 Votes , Trump needs 56

    Alaska - 6 Votes - Definite Trump

    Then you have the 5 that are in play to varying degrees

    Nevada - 6 Votes - Currently looking likely for Biden
    Michigan - 16 Votes - Currently looking likely for Biden
    North Carolina - 15 Votes - Currently looking likely for Trump
    Georgia - 16 Votes - Trump currently leading , but Biden closing rapidly
    Pennsylvania - 20 Votes - Trump currently leading , but Biden closing rapidly

    Biden can win with any combination of two of the five above , Trump needs at least three , unless one of them is Nevada then he needs four out of the five.

    Nevada and North Carolina would only be 269 for Biden


  • #2711
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    US TV isn't amplifying it though as much as they normally do when Trump plays them. I'm saying they are doing a good thing, so far anyway.

    Trump as usual really shot himself in the foot by telegraphing he was going to take this route of claiming victory and trying to throw out votes through the courts. It helped the media prepare for it and discuss internally on what they'd do when Trump tried it.

    I'm actually impressed with the US networks, CNN, FOX, ABC etc are playing it cool, reporting the facts and not hyping up anyone to 1000% as they usually do. Its....refreshing!


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  • #2712
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Zak Flaps wrote: »
    Any Trump fans here care to defend this?

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  • #2713
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I have a bit of a feeling , now that the Senate races are done , that they will sit down and think that controlling the Senate and having tilted the Supreme court for a generation that that might be enough for them for now.

    They'll allow him to have his hissy fit today but the counts will continue and the results will stand.

    That doesn't diminish the damage he's doing to their democratic structures and their Global standing.

    The whole world is watching and cringing at his behaviour.

    They have an interesting dilemma. In 2018 the GOP were hit by a sizeable blue wave but now in 2020 they made back up some of that ground in part thanks to Trump being on the ballot.

    Mitch was talking earlier about his concerns to have lost the suburbs but do they see them able to win them back by dumping Trump and risk alienating Trump's base?


  • #2714
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    Biden - 61,000 ahead in Michigan, and more than 1% in the lead, so no automatic recourse to a recount if it finishes like that


  • #2715
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    embraer170 wrote: »
    Will Trump speak tonight?

    I reckon it will depend on what Biden says in a few minutes. Trump might call a snap presser because he always needs to reply.


  • #2716
    Zookey123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    When will we know for sure who won? Trump talking about a recount etc...


  • #2717
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    I see RTE new could not do basic maths. They have Trump winning it with PA, NC and GA


  • #2718
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Patser wrote: »
    Are the Republican Party heirarchy going to do anything to reign him in I wonder? They must realise that if they continue to hitch themselves to his antics, they risk damaging their party's standing in the future. Trump is not GOP establishment, and if he does lose will disappear off to chat shows and conspiracy theory sites, or celebrity endorsements afterwards. The GOP will have to pick up pieces from whatever damage he does.

    Of course they won't, and based off this election why would they?
    Everything Trump has done, the 1 million things that would sink any other politician and yet still near half the country voted for him? It's quite frankly unbelievable. A man who allowed soldiers of his country, his army to be killed, the nepotism, the caging of children, his handling of covid, the blatant corruption and disregard of the democratic process, his throttling of the USPS and fanning of racial flames and yet he'll still get near 50% of the vote..
    It's the pure apathy of the American voter that doesn't offer any incentive for the Republicans to change. They'll simply run another, more palatable candidate next time round, if not Trump again, becasue let's be honest, who's going to beat him for the Republican nominee?
    America's only hope is that he is locked up by then, or at least in court answering his many very serious crimes. But the current Republican party will go on.


  • #2719
    Canice Picklington
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭Canice Picklington


    Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »
    Of course they won't, and based off this election why would they?
    Everything Trump has done, the 1 million things that would sink any other politician and yet still near half the country voted for him? It's quite frankly unbelievable. A man who allowed soldiers of his country, his army to be killed, the nepotism, the caging of children, his handling of covid, the blatant corruption and disregard of the democratic process, his throttling of the USPS and fanning of racial flames and yet he'll still get near 50% of the vote..
    It's the pure apathy of the American voter that doesn't offer any incentive for the Republicans to change. They'll simply run another, more palatable candidate next time round, if not Trump again, becasue let's be honest, who's going to beat him for the Republican nominee?
    America's only hope is that he is locked up by then, or at least in court answering his many very serious crimes. But the current Republican party will go on.

    The Republican party is the American fascist party, that's their brand.


  • #2720
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Zookey123 wrote: »
    When will we know for sure who won? Trump talking about a recount etc...

    I'd say it will be on Dec 8th when the EC meets and votes.


  • #2721
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,668 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    What a statesman speech by Biden

    Really nice to hear someone that coherent


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  • #2722
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Sensible words from Biden. Such a contrast to the tantrum tweets of Trump. Future generations will marvel how America could have been so polarised over the choices on offer.

    CNN projects Michigan for Biden.


  • #2723
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Biden speaking now..


  • #2724
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Biden says he's not going to declare victor but believes he'll be the winner at the end.

    His speech was more victorious in tone.

    He did well though.

    No doubt Trump will give a dignified concession speech later tonight.:D


  • #2725
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    CNN have called Michigan for Biden.

    (re) Build That Wall Joe

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #2726
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    Biden sounding very Presidential in his speech there, talking all about healing and working together while clearly stating he's not naive to think this will be easy - but has stepped up as a composed, ready leader. The contrast with Trump's theatrics is stark


  • #2727
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Michigan now called for Biden by CNN.


  • #2728
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    CNN declare Michigan blue


  • #2729
    OS_Head
    Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭OS_Head


    What a big mess this whole thing is. MSM, Big tech and $35 billion of George Soros have a lot to answer for by making a sham of the whole process. From deplatforming conservative voices, MSM's wall to wall negative coverage and big "dark" money flooding into Democrats pockets. This election will be decided in the Supreme Court. Way too many rules were changed by the state courts during the election cycle that will ultimately get overturned by the SCOTUS.


  • #2730
    Annabella1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    Biden just knocked it out of the park
    Congrats President


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  • #2731
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Flip Arizona, hold Nevada and thats that. Get PA for the exclamation mark

    trump will now need to run the table

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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