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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Quin_Dub

Continuation thread from here

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Everyone will want to be active in this thread over the next few days , but there will be zero tolerance for Forum rule breaches.

Keep it Sensible , Civil and Polite please.

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StringerBell

bennyl10 wrote: »

Trump has ‘declared victory’ in Pennsylvania as the ‘legal votes’ have been counted.

His fall will surely be a glorious one for so many.

I see the situation in Detroit is looking is looking tense in the polling station with a lot of "monitors" trying to get in after some people have been removed for their behaviour. Attempted intimidation of poll workers is patriotic in some weird trumpland way obviously.

Dillonb3

GOP Arizona rep Paul Gosar has put out a call to Trump supporters to rally in front of Maricopa County election center :rolleyes:

briany

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Tbh sleepy Joe could be going for a permanent slumber slap bang in the middle of his term given his age and condition.

Biden's age certainly does count against him, but given the only other serious candidate is almost as old, it's a concern either way and is therefore just a reality of the race as it stands.

Itssoeasy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Yes - They have to be able to assume the Office of President if required so they have to meet the requirements

I know that but I’d never seen where it talks about the VP like the president.

paul71

Headshot wrote: »

According to CNN these votes are mail in votes which could be good news for Biden

And they are pretty much all in Los Vegas, safe enough for Biden.

murpho999

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Exactly - There are 6 States still undeclared.

Biden needs 22 Votes , Trump needs 56

Alaska - 6 Votes - Definite Trump

Then you have the 5 that are in play to varying degrees

Nevada - 6 Votes - Currently looking likely for Biden
Michigan - 16 Votes - Currently looking likely for Biden
North Carolina - 15 Votes - Currently looking likely for Trump
Georgia - 16 Votes - Trump currently leading , but Biden closing rapidly
Pennsylvania - 20 Votes - Trump currently leading , but Biden closing rapidly

Biden can win with any combination of two of the five above , Trump needs at least three , unless one of them is Nevada then he needs four out of the five.

Alaska is 3 votes only not 6.

eire4

Foxtrol wrote: »

Biden has routes to take to win that do not include PA.

Overall I think it has turned out pretty well that Trump is trailing in a few states and hoping for late counts to turn things around. If it was just Biden chasing then I feel there would be more attempts to stop all voting.

Yes it looks that way now that Biden can win without Pennsylvania. Lets hope so although the fact this race is so close is pretty depressing enough as it is.

Brian?

L1011 wrote: »

How do they expect to overturn the natural-born citizen and 14 year residency terms without the presidency or the House?

Or were they talking about it with Nigel Farage as in talking with Nigel Farage?

Talking with Nigel Farage, about Trump running in 2024. Poorly phrased.

Zak Flaps

bennyl10 wrote: »

Trump has ‘declared victory’ in Pennsylvania as the ‘legal votes’ have been counted.

Any Trump fans here care to defend this?

Foxtrol

Patser wrote: »

From Sky News live text:

20:37

Trump campaign declares victory in Pennsylvania, despite results not complete

Donald Trump's campaign has claimed victory in Pennsylvania, despite the counting of votes there not being complete.

The 20 electoral college votes afforded to the state are still in competition.

He's into desperation now, and trying to muddy everything up and drag the whole process into the dirt

US TV has done a decent enough job so far not amplifying the worst of his nonsense, like they normally do by having 'both sides' on to discuss.

Problem however will be as things drag on past the initial few days and stations feel the need to juice ratings by adding 'conflict'.

partyguinness

Nevada- Michigan- Wisconsin(in the bag)-Arizona

That’s is Biden’s most likely path and looked like this since early this afternoon.

L1011

Brian? wrote: »

Talking with Nigel Farage, about Trump running in 2024. Poorly phrased.

It was horribly believable, though.

bennyl10

Foxtrol wrote: »

US TV has done a decent enough job so far not amplifying the worst of his nonsense, like they normally do by having 'both sides' on to discuss.

Problem however will be as things drag on past the initial few days and stations feel the need to juice ratings by adding 'conflict'.

The campaign did this.

This isn’t the media. This is a authoritarian who doesn’t want to release power and wants to undermine an election

Itssoeasy

bennyl10 wrote: »

Trump has ‘declared victory’ in Pennsylvania as the ‘legal votes’ have been counted.

I can declare that Angelina jolie is in love with me except she doesn’t know it yet. People can say many things but just saying them doesn’t make it true.

Infini

Patser wrote: »

From Sky News live text:

20:37

Trump campaign declares victory in Pennsylvania, despite results not complete

Donald Trump's campaign has claimed victory in Pennsylvania, despite the counting of votes there not being complete.

The 20 electoral college votes afforded to the state are still in competition.

He's into desperation now, and trying to muddy everything up and drag the whole process into the dirt

It's smacking of desperation to me though, he clearly thought he'd win this morning and made declarations and accusations. Now he finds himself ironically in the position of Hillary as his leads dissapear and he finds himself and his campaign routed. If he was successful at one thing it was getting out the republican base. Thing though is that his antics and behaviour have energised the opposition as well and this is what is his ultimate undoing.

Im hoping Biden takes Pensylvania, I know right now he doesnt NEED it if he has Nevada and Arizona but taking it in addition to the others including Michican and that would give a decisive and commanding EC vote backed up by the popular vote. Would shut down Trump completely.

Question then becomes will he admit defeat or be dragged out kicking and screaming?

StringerBell

paul71 wrote: »

And they are pretty much all in Los Vegas, safe enough for Biden.

Its rare I listen to Rick Santorum and think he has a valid point but his comments on Vegas being so reliant on tourism and that's why the turnout for trump does hold some weight in my mind. That the fear of Biden and a lockdown and trump wanting to open the economy and encourage people to travel etc is whats keeping him competitive there.

Headshot

Wow Trump is really swinging for the fences

Trump campaign asking supreme court to intervene in PA vote count

Jebus he's ****ing trying anything at this stage

rossie1977

ZeroThreat wrote: »

If Biden squeaks in with just 270 electoral votes I can't see Trump ever conceding in any circumstance.

Bidens getting 307 minimum and that's giving Pennsylvania to Trump

Quin_Dub

Dillonb3 wrote: »

GOP Arizona rep Paul Gosar has put out a call to Trump supporters to rally in front of Maricopa County election center :rolleyes:

Isn't he the one who's entire family ran an ad in 2018 telling people not to vote for him?

Foxtrol

bennyl10 wrote: »

The campaign did this.

This isn’t the media. This is a authoritarian who doesn’t want to release power and wants to undermine an election

US TV isn't amplifying it though as much as they normally do when Trump plays them. I'm saying they are doing a good thing, so far anyway.

Trump as usual really shot himself in the foot by telegraphing he was going to take this route of claiming victory and trying to throw out votes through the courts. It helped the media prepare for it and discuss internally on what they'd do when Trump tried it.

eire4

bennyl10 wrote: »

The campaign did this.

This isn’t the media. This is a authoritarian who doesn’t want to release power and wants to undermine an election

Sadly your right and a Republican party that is all in with this. This is not just about the current president the Republican party has shown it will stoop to any level to maintain power and is at best a quasi democratic political party.

Patser

Are the Republican Party heirarchy going to do anything to reign him in I wonder? They must realise that if they continue to hitch themselves to his antics, they risk damaging their party's standing in the future. Trump is not GOP establishment, and if he does lose will disappear off to chat shows and conspiracy theory sites, or celebrity endorsements afterwards. The GOP will have to pick up pieces from whatever damage he does.

Water John

Biden will speak soon.

embraer170

Will Trump speak tonight?

Quin_Dub

Patser wrote: »

Are the Republican Party heirarchy going to do anything to reign him in I wonder? They must realise that if they continue to hitch themselves to his antics, they risk damaging their party's standing in the future. Trump is not GOP establishment, and if he does lose will disappear off to chat shows and conspiracy theory sites, or celebrity endorsements afterwards. The GOP will have to pick up pieces from whatever damage he does.

I have a bit of a feeling , now that the Senate races are done , that they will sit down and think that controlling the Senate and having tilted the Supreme court for a generation that that might be enough for them for now.

They'll allow him to have his hissy fit today but the counts will continue and the results will stand.

That doesn't diminish the damage he's doing to their democratic structures and their Global standing.

The whole world is watching and cringing at his behaviour.

letowski

Any news on when we will get the rest of the Georgia votes counted?

Feels like we've bee waiting 24 hours for the final few percent.

Quin_Dub

embraer170 wrote: »

Will Trump speak tonight?

I think the challenge will be stopping him.

He's going to keep ranting here until he gets shut down by the courts (hopefully)

Headshot

Trump suing everyone lol

The votes are not even completed yet and Trump is throwsing a hissy fit. Stinks of a desperate of an old man that know's he's cooked

Mellor

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Exactly - There are 6 States still undeclared.

Biden needs 22 Votes , Trump needs 56

Alaska - 6 Votes - Definite Trump

Then you have the 5 that are in play to varying degrees

Nevada - 6 Votes - Currently looking likely for Biden
Michigan - 16 Votes - Currently looking likely for Biden
North Carolina - 15 Votes - Currently looking likely for Trump
Georgia - 16 Votes - Trump currently leading , but Biden closing rapidly
Pennsylvania - 20 Votes - Trump currently leading , but Biden closing rapidly

Biden can win with any combination of two of the five above , Trump needs at least three , unless one of them is Nevada then he needs four out of the five.

Nevada and North Carolina would only be 269 for Biden

Timberrrrrrrr

Foxtrol wrote: »

US TV isn't amplifying it though as much as they normally do when Trump plays them. I'm saying they are doing a good thing, so far anyway.

Trump as usual really shot himself in the foot by telegraphing he was going to take this route of claiming victory and trying to throw out votes through the courts. It helped the media prepare for it and discuss internally on what they'd do when Trump tried it.

I'm actually impressed with the US networks, CNN, FOX, ABC etc are playing it cool, reporting the facts and not hyping up anyone to 1000% as they usually do. Its....refreshing!