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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #2612
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    JazzyJ wrote: »

    So why not have the presidential election as popular vote? States still get an equal voice in congress. Each person gets an equal vote in the presidential election.

    Coz that would leave small States with little/no voice in deciding who should be POTUS. Again, that's how it was set up when the US was created. By all means, get it changed, by a Constitutional Amendment, but I'd see that as a no-hoper under the rules of the Constitution.


  • #2613
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,022 ✭✭✭✭briany


    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    America is meant to be #1 in everything according to trumpists, why are comparing the US to what Trump would probably refer to as "****hole l" counties?

    Why also then are you not comparing to South Korea or Germany or hell even Ireland?

    The kind of thing that Trump has been coming out with re:Covid wouldn't be stood for if it came out of Micheal Martin or Boris Johnson. If Michael Martin got up and said we'd had so many deaths per million from Covid, but hey at least we're not France, he'd be lambasted. Constant equivocation from a leader essentially means they can at least attempt to sidestep all culpability for their own situation.


  • #2614
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Sky calling wisconsin for Biden


    Although that's gonna be contested by Trump.


  • #2615
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Is there anything to stop Trump running again in 2024 provided he does not win this?
    He would still have his base and provided he isn't in jail would have 4 years to shout from the sidelines.

    Nothing legally to stop him no.


  • #2616
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Zak Flaps wrote: »
    Here you go.
    shocksy wrote: »
    Yes Trump. Ffs if you cant keep up leave the thread. It was clear who I was on about as another poster quoted me saying that's true. Just cause you cant keep up that's not my problem PAL.
    dinorebel wrote: »
    Wasn't calling you a liar it read as Trump had won.

    ##Mod Note##

    Wind the necks in lads.

    You are both agreeing with each other.

    Park and move on.

    Thanks


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  • #2617
    Kur4mA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Kur4mA


    https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1324068335177388039?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


  • #2618
    FatherTed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Some more election gems....
    ND elects a Republican who died from Covid a month ago...

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/1323905706521710592

    A Nebraska Constitution Amendment to remove Slavery as a punishment for Crime won by 68.16% to 31.84%. Who are these 31% who think this is still ok????

    https://ballotpedia.org/Nebraska_Amendment_1,_Remove_Slavery_as_Punishment_for_Crime_from_Constitution_Amendment_(2020)


  • #2619
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,022 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Sky calling wisconsin for Biden


    Although that's gonna be contested by Trump.

    Perfectly normal to demand electoral scrutiny in a close race.


  • #2620
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭paul71


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Moved on a little further

    Trump 2,388,026 (+355)
    Biden 2,306,532 (+6469)

    Huge ratio there toward Biden.

    95% complete , so about 250k left to count if I'm working this out right.

    A roughly 2/3rds Ratio for Biden would win it and he's been doing better than that in the last few updates.

    I just had a look at that, to my surprise 6 rural counties changed from red to blue in the last hour, I did not build that into my tracker I was assuming the rural counties mail in would fall the same way as the in person, they are not the are coming in 10 to 1 in favour of Biden. Biden now looking like 30k win in Georgia if the mail in breaks down the same way in other rural areas.


  • #2621
    FatherTed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Some more election gems....
    ND elects a Republican who died from Covid a month ago...

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/1323905706521710592

    A Nebraska Constitution Amendment to remove Slavery as a punishment for Crime won by 68.16% to 31.84%. Who are these 31% who think this is still ok????

    https://ballotpedia.org/Nebraska_Amendment_1,_Remove_Slavery_as_Punishment_for_Crime_from_Constitution_Amendment_(2020)


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  • #2622
    Headshot
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    FatherTed wrote: »
    Some more election gems....
    ND elects a Republican who died from Covid a month ago...

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/1323905706521710592

    A Nebraska Constitution Amendment to remove Slavery as a punishment for Crime won by 68.16% to 31.84%. Who are these 31% who think this is still ok????

    https://ballotpedia.org/Nebraska_Amendment_1,_Remove_Slavery_as_Punishment_for_Crime_from_Constitution_Amendment_(2020)

    Trump voters


  • #2623
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Is there anything to stop Trump running again in 2024 provided he does not win this?

    Nope and it's even been done successfully once before: Grover Cleveland in 1884 & 1892 (having lost in 1888)


  • #2624
    Quin_Dub
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Sky calling wisconsin for Biden


    Although that's gonna be contested by Trump.

    So , just checking.

    The threshold for being able to call for a recount in Wisconsin is 1%.

    Biden currently leads by 0.6% with votes still to come. If he breaks the 1% threshold not sure there's a lot Trump can do.


    Michigan is a bit more complex - According to Ballotpedia


    The Rules are
    A candidate can request a recount if all of the following conditions are met:
    1. The candidate ran for one of the following offices: president and vice president, state executive (e.g., governor), U.S. Senate, U.S. House, circuit judges, or state senators and state representatives elected from districts that span more than one county
    2. The request "alleges that the candidate is aggrieved on account of fraud or mistake in the canvass of the votes"
    3. The request "shall contain specific allegations of wrongdoing only if evidence of that wrongdoing is available to the petitioner. If evidence of wrongdoing is not available, the petitioner is only required to allege fraud or a mistake in the petition without further specification."
    4. The request "sets forth as nearly as possible the nature and character of the fraud or mistakes alleged and the counties, cities, or townships and the precincts in which they exist."
    5. The request "specifies the counties, cities, townships, and precincts in which the recount is requested."

    So , not very easy to get a recount and would look to be almost impossible to get a Statewide recount as you have to specify issues at each county level at a minimum.

    Biden currently leads in Michigan by 0.7%


  • #2625
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,022 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What's going on with Pennsylvania? It's been stuck on 80 percent counted for the last few hours it seems.


  • #2626
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    So , just checking.

    The threshold for being able to call for a recount in Wisconsin is 1%.

    Biden currently leads by 0.6% with votes still to come. If he breaks the 1% threshold not sure there's a lot Trump can do.


    Michigan is a bit more complex - According to Ballotpedia


    The Rules are



    So , not very easy to get a recount and would look to be almost impossible to get a Statewide recount as you have to specify issues at each county level at a minimum.

    Biden currently leads in Michigan by 0.7%

    I think if he doesn't get 1% he can use the "voter fraud" claim/ clause to get a recount


  • #2627
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Arizona is still a concern despite Fox and AP calling it. That could blow this thing wide open yet.

    https://twitter.com/ryanmatsumoto1/status/1324071654352322560

    https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324071703400665088

    If Pennsylvania and Michigan go Biden's way then Arizona won't matter...

    https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1324069252555485189


  • #2628
    Jimbob1977
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    Headshot wrote: »
    Trump voters

    Ironically the Democrats were the "party of slavery".

    When the Civil War was lost, Southern Democrats founded the Ku Klux Klan to lynch Republicans and freed black people.


  • #2629
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭Infini


    Michican is pretry certain at this point for Biden but Pennsylvania is the key, if Biden can manage to flip it in his favour this contest is done without a doubt as thats one of the big catches.


  • #2630
    FatherTed
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    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Ironically the Democrats were the "party of slavery".

    When the Civil War was lost, Southern Democrats founded the Ku Klux Klan to lynch Republicans and freed black people.

    Ironic indeed that the repubs are now the party of slavery.... Lincoln must be rolling in his grave.


  • #2631
    vafankillar
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    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Ironically the Democrats were the "party of slavery".

    When the Civil War was lost, Southern Democrats founded the Ku Klux Klan to lynch Republicans and freed black people.

    ffs not this again, the party switched political spheres/base in the 1960s, that democrat party is basically became todays republican party


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  • #2632
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Looking very much like a Net Zero gain in the Senate for the Democrats or at best a +1

    Up two - Kelly and Hickenlooper , but lost Doug Jones in Alabama and Peters in Michigan is currently 23k behind - He might catch up though , but cutting it fine.


  • #2633
    vafankillar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    Trump went from 48.9 up to 49.1 for me and then back on two different sites for michigan, anyone else notice that?


  • #2634
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭paul71


    Pennslyania most recent batch of votes (103,366) fell 78% Biden 22% Trump, About 900k to 1 million left and if they fall in same proportion Biden wins by 130,000. If Georgia goes the way I urban and the last update of rural votes has gone that is 320k-35k win for Biden too, Trump is getting North Carolina.


  • #2635
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    More positive signs for Biden in PA:

    https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324075266981978125

    https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324075955917361155


  • #2636
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Moved on a little further

    Trump 2,388,026 (+355)
    Biden 2,306,532 (+6469)

    Huge ratio there toward Biden.

    95% complete , so about 250k left to count if I'm working this out right.

    A roughly 2/3rds Ratio for Biden would win it and he's been doing better than that in the last few updates.

    Another update

    Trump - 2,390,030 (+2004)
    Biden - 2,312,014 (+5482)

    Biden maintaining that required 2/3rds take rate , still technically showing 95% complete.


  • #2637
    Quin_Dub
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    paul71 wrote: »
    Pennslyania must recent batch of votes (103,366) fell 78% Biden 22% Trump, About 900k to 1 million left and if they fall in same proportion Biden wins by 130,000. If Georgia goes the way I urban and the last update of rural votes has gone that is 320k-35k win for Biden too, Trump is getting North Carolina.

    It could end up an inverse of 2016 in terms of EC count.

    Trump on 214 , with NC and AK in his column , taking him to 232 , Clintons 2016 Total

    Biden on 248 with MI,PA,NV and GA in his column taking him to a potential 306..

    Interesting indeed..


  • #2638
    pixelburp
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    One things for sure; if it wasn't already obvious across the American cultural landscape, the electoral map sbows the Urban-Rural divide is alive, well and as entrenched as ever. With all the liberal-conservative gulf that implies. Obviously a winner takes all election hides the subtleties within demographics, counties and so on, but on a national levels things seems as partisan as ever.


  • #2639
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
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    What States could we find out about by 2am?


  • #2640
    Inquitus
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    MattS1 wrote: »
    What States could we find out about by 2am?

    NV, PA and GA potentially, networks might not call them, but it should be pretty obvious to us watching. PA is probably the biggest prize for Biden as he slowly overturns Trump's in-person vote lead!


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  • #2641
    eire4
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    Infini wrote: »
    Michican is pretry certain at this point for Biden but Pennsylvania is the key, if Biden can manage to flip it in his favour this contest is done without a doubt as thats one of the big catches.

    I would agree. It looks like it pretty much all comes down to Pennsylvania at this point and by the sounds of things it may even be tomorrow before we know the outcome.


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