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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #2432
    sheeplover55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭sheeplover55


    Roanmore wrote: »
    Don’t have access to Fox. What is the general tone to their coverage?
    I know Hannity will be shouting fraud but what about the others?

    Calm and neutral. Brett Baier and McMallum hosting with Juan Williams, Chris Wallace among others on the panel.


  • #2433
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,926 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    kilns wrote: »
    Crazy story that USPS failed to deliver 27% of mail in ballots in South Florida

    You wont hear Trump mentioning that

    String in bow of Dems if Trumps goes legal as they may be allowed to count these votes and as evidence has proved the majority of mail in ballots are democrats and that would flip Florida

    Is there a source for that?
    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    We're discussing the scenario of a 269-269 draw leading to a House vote on the President , which is on a State by State basis.

    It is possible for the House to be drawn 25-25 in the State head to head , hence the need for a casting vote.

    It's a highly unlikely scenario given the state of play right now , but just musing.

    The Nebraska result took that off the table, right?


  • #2434
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭This is it


    35k ahead in Michigan


  • #2435
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,508 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Is there a source for that?
    It's tied with the order to USPS to find the missing 300.000 scanned in ballots that were not delivered.
    The order came after the Postal Service filed data in court Tuesday that showed about 300,000 ballots nationwide that haven’t been scanned to confirm they were delivered, even though USPS says they were processed.

    USPS also shared data that revealed low on-time delivery scores of completed ballots, including about 74% in South Florida.


  • #2436
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,378 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Is there a source for that?

    USPS themselves. However when the order was made by the judge they more or less said no, they'll do it on their own schedule.

    https://twitter.com/usatodayDC/status/1323996339932483585
    https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1324004554485211136?s=20


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  • #2437
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Wisconsin called for Biden by 20,697 votes

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #2438
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    sheeplover55 wrote: »
    Calm and neutral. Brett Baier and McMallum hosting with Juan Williams, Chris Wallace among others on the panel.

    The sensible journalists at Fox. They wouldn't let Hannity near the election coverage, he isn't really a journalist.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #2439
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1324027105982763011

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #2440
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Anybody who leads the popular vote by 2.6 million and loses has to ask questions about the fairness of the system.
    Although I think he will do it now.
    He's virtually got Wisconsin now, and Michigan looks likely. Once Nevada counts the (overwhelmingly blue) mail-in ballots, he's hit 270


  • #2441
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Wisconsin called for Biden by 20,697 votes

    I just get results soon when I search. Who is reporting this?


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  • #2442
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,378 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I just get results soon when I search. Who is reporting this?

    Wisconsin.


  • #2443
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    If Biden holds Michigan, claims that "it's over" may actually be accurate.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #2444
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Anybody who leads the popular vote by 2.6 million and loses has to ask questions about the fairness of the system.
    Although I think he will do it now.

    If Trump wins, it'll be the third time in 20 years that someone has won the electoral college and lost the popular vote. Questions will definitely be asked about the fairness of it, but I think the system will only change if the issue affects both parties. And right now, the Republicans have no incentive to consent to that change, since they're the ones benefiting.


  • #2445
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Clareemigrant wrote: »
    Must be first time ever that a Mayo team snatch victory from the jaws of defeat
    Slow down with all the posting there Ted!!!


  • #2446
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    MJohnston wrote: »
    To me it’s utterly insane that this isn’t the case nationally. I mean I know *why* that is, but the gerrymandering situation combined with the ridiculous Senate seat-population, and the undemocratic Electoral College really underscore an ugly truth about Republicans

    And Democrats. We had a very similar proposition in California, to remove the power of redistricting from the (Democrat) legislature (I can't recall if they were a supermajority at the time or not) to a citizen's redistricting commission.

    You'll never guess which party opposed this. (And lost, by about a 2:1 ratio of the voters). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_11
    ddarcy wrote: »
    Or you could give DC back to Maryland where it came from. The original idea of DC is now flawed, but it shouldn’t be its own state. PR can go through statehood. It does have support on both sides in reality if they want it. They don’t currently don’t.

    Why is also what happened to Virginia, and why the county of Alexandria, which used to be part of DC, is now helping turn the State blue.


  • #2447
    All_in_Flynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Can anyone confirm what the actual state of play in Arizona is?

    I'm aware there was an error on the reporting percentage. Can we confirm what the remaining votes are likely to go in that state? I can't see anything concrete anywhere.


  • #2448
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Wisconsin.

    I will admit they seem like a source who would know. Great news. Now onto Michigan and getting AZ and NV confirmed.


  • #2449
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,265 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    One small thing for both sides, they need to be better with spending their money on viral candidates .,,,examples?

    Amy Mc Grath and James Harrison in the senate, while the GOP base yet again looks like have splashed to much money on hopeless candidates who have some viral fame.


  • #2450
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭This is it


    32k ahead in Michigan with about 100k left to count


  • #2451
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,024 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Nbc News is calling Maine for Biden.


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  • #2452
    timeToLive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭timeToLive


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    They did accept he won. It was just hard to understand how it happened.


    Remember #notmypresident?


    Looks like this race is down to Nevada - unless Arizona goes Red


  • #2453
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,758 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    timeToLive wrote: »
    Remember #notmypresident?


    Looks like this race is down to Nevada - unless Arizona goes Red

    Nothing wrong with saying his views don't represent yours.

    Trump is trying to declare the election illegal


  • #2454
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,731 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Chips Lovell wrote: »
    If Trump wins, it'll be the third time in 20 years that someone has won the electoral college and lost the popular vote. Questions will definitely be asked about the fairness of it, but I think the system will only change if the issue affects both parties. And right now, the Republicans have no incentive to consent to that change, since they're the ones benefiting.

    The more I think about it the more undemocratic and suppressive a practice it seems to be. Americans are voting as one nation to fill the role of head of state. I could accept an electoral college for something like the House of Representatives to balance out the disparity between states but all it does here is to diminish the voices of some Americans based on where they live.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2455
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,680 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    There's 100 thousand votes to still to be counted in Michigan

    Do we know are these 100k mail in voting?


  • #2456
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,417 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    The more I think about it the more undemocratic and suppressive a practice it seems to be. Americans are voting as one nation to fill the role of head of state. I could accept an electoral college for something like the House of Representatives to balance out the disparity between states but all it does here is to diminish the voices of some Americans based on where they live.

    Nobody will ever change it but it is entirely undemocratic. And the further down the hole you go with it, the worse it looks.


  • #2457
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Chips Lovell wrote: »
    If Trump wins, it'll be the third time in 20 years that someone has won the electoral college and lost the popular vote. Questions will definitely be asked about the fairness of it, but I think the system will only change if the issue affects both parties. And right now, the Republicans have no incentive to consent to that change, since they're the ones benefiting.
    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    The more I think about it the more undemocratic and suppressive a practice it seems to be. Americans are voting as one nation to fill the role of head of state. I could accept an electoral college for something like the House of Representatives to balance out the disparity between states but all it does here is to diminish the voices of some Americans based on where they live.

    The arguments in favour of it are so obviously partisan and transparent as well. "Why should a majority rule ahead of a minority?", because apparently it's better to have a minority hold power. :rolleyes:


  • #2458
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    The more I think about it the more undemocratic and suppressive a practice it seems to be. Americans are voting as one nation to fill the role of head of state. I could accept an electoral college for something like the House of Representatives to balance out the disparity between states but all it does here is to diminish the voices of some Americans based on where they live.

    Some people effectively have no vote, republicans in California or Hawaii democrats in Texas and so on. I’ve said before here if you were setting up a new democracy and deciding on the system and someone suggested the American model they’d be thrown out of the meeting. It’s a ludicrous set up. It encourages the candidates to only bother with limited places as every vote doesn’t count.


  • #2459
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Headshot wrote: »
    There's 100 thousand votes to still to be counted in Michigan

    Do we know are these 100k mail in voting?

    I would assume the majority are, and likely in democratic areas.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #2460
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,731 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exclamation Marc wrote: »
    Nobody will ever change it but it is entirely undemocratic. And the further down the hole you go with it, the worse it looks.

    Exactly. In the UK, we might have stayed in the EU if there was such a system to counter English hegemony but the UK voted as one so it's a democratic decision. Rejection should not result in victory.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #2461
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,758 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    salmocab wrote: »
    Some people effectively have no vote, republicans in California or Hawaii democrats in Texas and so on. I’ve said before here if you were setting up a new democracy and deciding on the system and someone suggested the American model they’d be thrown out of the meeting. It’s a ludicrous set up. It encourages the candidates to only bother with limited places as every vote doesn’t count.

    Easiest fix would be to give candidates 50% of a states EC votes if he gets 50% of the states popular vote and so on


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