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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #2402
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Unsubstantiated claims of illegal activity intended to discredit a result one does not like is trolling. Post and response deleted.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2403
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Graham wrote: »
    You're right, sorry Faugheen. I am agreeing.

    Haha. No worries. I’m sleep deprived too.


  • #2404
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    seamus wrote: »
    PA could become the kingmaker here.

    Nevada is very tight. If it was to swing back to Trump, PA stayed with Trump and no other states flipped, then Trump has it.

    The confidence of Biden's team (and noise from Trump's) suggests that their accountants don't see Nevada going with Trump.

    Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan are really going his way and that gets Biden to 270.

    PA would be an absoute bonus that would make limit Trump's legal options. I think Biden has a huge chance there.

    Also, I wouldn't rule out Georgia either as Democrat hubs are still to return votes there too.


  • #2405
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    SNIP. Take it to the gambling forum please.


  • #2406
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,950 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    This at least explains whats happening in Arizona in the different data that is being shown


    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1324011428030771200


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  • #2407
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    VinLieger wrote: »
    This at least explains whats happening in Arizona in the different data that is being shown


    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1324011428030771200

    Still doesn’t make Trumps ‘predictions’ any more logical based on data


  • #2408
    robinph
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    murpho999 wrote: »

    Why is he now surprised that postal votes are going against him?

    He's not surprised. It was the plan all along.

    If anything this is one moment of Trump actually showing some level of forethought and planning in anything that hes ever done. Sow distrust of the mail in system, know that states will count in person votes first, encourage republicans to vote in person, then when the early votes show red but then switch to blue as the mail votes start to get counted declare cheating.

    It was all by design.


  • #2409
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


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    Trump going mad at this, 128k votes added for Biden, 0 for everyone else.

    I am guessing this is just a case of the spreadsheet being updated on a cell by cell basis?


  • #2410
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Georgia seems to just be Atlanta left.. Biden would need a huge surge to turn it

    By far the most populous counties in the state though, similar to the Pennsylvania situation. If it was easily callable either way those prices would not be available, these are multi million euro markets.


  • #2411
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    El_EDJBXIAEFJWW?format=jpg&name=small

    Trump going mad at this, 128k votes added for Biden, 0 for everyone else.

    I am guessing this is just a case of the spreadsheet being updated on a cell by cell basis?

    Of course. I'm sure similar swings happened in Texas at various stages when Biden was ahead.


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  • #2412
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Georgia seems to just be Atlanta left.. Biden would need a huge surge to turn it

    He needs 62.6 percent of the outstanding vote. He should get that.


  • #2413
    Quin_Dub
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Why would there be a casting vote if one candidate has more electoral college votes from their 25 states?

    We're discussing the scenario of a 269-269 draw leading to a House vote on the President , which is on a State by State basis.

    It is possible for the House to be drawn 25-25 in the State head to head , hence the need for a casting vote.

    It's a highly unlikely scenario given the state of play right now , but just musing.


  • #2414
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭valoren


    The fraud nonsense again. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. My guess is that after a cursory inquiry is done for show, while Trump holds office, nothing will be uncovered. Remember how Trump actually won the election last time and still touted there was fraud afoot because his ego couldn't deal with Clinton winning the popular vote? Broken record time again. You can have the likes of Farage joining Andrew Neil to deliver the opposite view point for some sense of balance, he can prattle on about electoral fraud. While Neil can obviously challenge it the problem becomes that despite having zero evidence to say such a thing, his mere presence on the show lends a small semblance of credibility and all in the notion of providing balance. He gets a platform to spout lies and it takes hold as a narrative. Thus we see electoral fraud touting specific numbers creeping into the discourse.


  • #2415
    deathbomber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭deathbomber


    murpho999 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324007806694023169

    This is hilarious from the Donald, even by his standard.

    He called postal voting open to fraud and encouraged Republicans not to use it and vote in person which his supporters followed.

    States counted in person votes first thus giving him good numbers.

    Postal votes after which are still ongoing and showing huge numbers for Democrats who followed advice and use the system rather than risk Covid at polling stations.

    Why is he now surprised that postal votes are going against him?

    Farage came out a couple of hours ago stating the Postal voting system is fraudulent. Thick as thieves :D


  • #2416
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Crazy story that USPS failed to deliver 27% of mail in ballots in South Florida

    You wont hear Trump mentioning that

    String in bow of Dems if Trumps goes legal as they may be allowed to count these votes and as evidence has proved the majority of mail in ballots are democrats and that would flip Florida


  • #2417
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    valoren wrote: »
    The fraud nonsense again. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. My guess is that after a cursory inquiry is done for show, while Trump holds office, nothing will be uncovered. Remember how Trump actually won the election last time and still touted there was fraud afoot because his ego couldn't deal with Clinton winning the popular vote? Broken record time again. You can have the likes of Farage joining Andrew Neil to deliver the opposite view point for some sense of balance, he can prattle on about electoral fraud. While Neil can obviously challenge it the problem becomes that despite having zero evidence to say such a thing, his mere presence on the show lends a small semblance of credibility and all in the notion of providing balance. He gets a platform to spout lies and it takes hold as a narrative. Thus we see electoral fraud touting specific numbers creeping into the discourse.

    Major problem for the media to contend with in the coming years. Allowing people to spout things that are demonstrably false is not fair or balanced, it only lends undue credibility to liars. As you say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


  • #2418
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    deathbomber wrote: »
    Farage came out a couple of hours ago stating the Postal voting system is fraudulent. Thick as thieves :D

    Aye well Brexit is intertwined with who wins the Presidential race quite tightly, Farage would be pooping himself if Biden wins!


  • #2419
    UpBack1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭UpBack1234


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Aye well Brexit is intertwined with who wins the Presidential race quite tightly, Farage would be pooping himself if Biden wins!

    There's also the small matter of the the 10,000 quid he put on a Trump win. He wishes there was fraud!:)


  • #2420
    Dillonb3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    deathbomber wrote: »
    Farage came out a couple of hours ago stating the Postal voting system is fraudulent. Thick as thieves :D

    Andrew Neil interviewed and pulled him up over it.
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1323938999468175367


    Worrying about Arizona and hard to know where the votes are coming in from. Conservatives on twitter are claiming they're in Trump's favor


  • #2421
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,243 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    John King is back!


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  • #2422
    Nody
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    valoren wrote: »
    The fraud nonsense again. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. My guess is that after a cursory inquiry is done for show, while Trump holds office, nothing will be uncovered. Remember how Trump actually won the election last time and still touted there was fraud afoot because his ego couldn't deal with Clinton winning the popular vote? Broken record time again. You can have the likes of Farage joining Andrew Neil to deliver the opposite view point for some sense of balance, he can prattle on about electoral fraud. While Neil can obviously challenge it the problem becomes that despite having zero evidence to say such a thing, his mere presence on the show lends a small semblance of credibility and all in the notion of providing balance. He gets a platform to spout lies and it takes hold as a narrative. Thus we see electoral fraud touting specific numbers creeping into the discourse.
    The latest study for fraud in voting in the US puts it at 0.0009% in 2017; with a record 160 million voters we're talking about 1440 cases in all of USA. For Wisconsin; well good luck (Scott was the republican governor for Wisconsin 2011-2019)...

    https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1324002777597677569


  • #2423
    circadian
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    John King is back!




    The only redeeming thing about CNN. I don't mind Anderson or Don Lemon too much but the likes of Jake Tapper et al are just eughh.


  • #2424
    bennyl10
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    Dillonb3 wrote: »
    Andrew Neil interviewed and pulled him up over it.
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1323938999468175367


    Worrying about Arizona and hard to know where the votes are coming in from. Conservatives on twitter are claiming they're in Trump's favor

    Majority of votes in arizona to be counted are Phoenix and Tucson

    Hasn't a hope


  • #2425
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Biden stretches his lead in Michigan


  • #2426
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Fox's dials have Biden with a 95% chance in Michigan, 93% in Wisconsin and 70% in Nevada


  • #2427
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    John King has jumped from Clare County to Roscommon County in Michigan Here


  • #2428
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Fox's dials have Biden with a 95% chance in Michigan, 93% in Wisconsin and 70% in Nevada

    Nevada is vitally important, if PA doesn't narrow!


  • #2429
    Quin_Dub
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    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Fox's dials have Biden with a 95% chance in Michigan, 93% in Wisconsin and 70% in Nevada

    I see that - Also they have Georgia , North Carolina and Pennsylvania blank.

    Have they stopped counting there or something, is that why they are blank?


  • #2430
    Roanmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    Don’t have access to Fox. What is the general tone to their coverage?
    I know Hannity will be shouting fraud but what about the others?


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  • #2431
    Clareemigrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Clareemigrant


    Must be first time ever that a Mayo team snatch victory from the jaws of defeat


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