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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #2402
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Georgia seems to just be Atlanta left.. Biden would need a huge surge to turn it

    By far the most populous counties in the state though, similar to the Pennsylvania situation. If it was easily callable either way those prices would not be available, these are multi million euro markets.


  • #2403
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    El_EDJBXIAEFJWW?format=jpg&name=small

    Trump going mad at this, 128k votes added for Biden, 0 for everyone else.

    I am guessing this is just a case of the spreadsheet being updated on a cell by cell basis?

    Of course. I'm sure similar swings happened in Texas at various stages when Biden was ahead.


  • #2404
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,637 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Georgia seems to just be Atlanta left.. Biden would need a huge surge to turn it

    He needs 62.6 percent of the outstanding vote. He should get that.


  • #2405
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Why would there be a casting vote if one candidate has more electoral college votes from their 25 states?

    We're discussing the scenario of a 269-269 draw leading to a House vote on the President , which is on a State by State basis.

    It is possible for the House to be drawn 25-25 in the State head to head , hence the need for a casting vote.

    It's a highly unlikely scenario given the state of play right now , but just musing.


  • #2406
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭valoren


    The fraud nonsense again. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. My guess is that after a cursory inquiry is done for show, while Trump holds office, nothing will be uncovered. Remember how Trump actually won the election last time and still touted there was fraud afoot because his ego couldn't deal with Clinton winning the popular vote? Broken record time again. You can have the likes of Farage joining Andrew Neil to deliver the opposite view point for some sense of balance, he can prattle on about electoral fraud. While Neil can obviously challenge it the problem becomes that despite having zero evidence to say such a thing, his mere presence on the show lends a small semblance of credibility and all in the notion of providing balance. He gets a platform to spout lies and it takes hold as a narrative. Thus we see electoral fraud touting specific numbers creeping into the discourse.


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  • #2407
    deathbomber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭deathbomber


    murpho999 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324007806694023169

    This is hilarious from the Donald, even by his standard.

    He called postal voting open to fraud and encouraged Republicans not to use it and vote in person which his supporters followed.

    States counted in person votes first thus giving him good numbers.

    Postal votes after which are still ongoing and showing huge numbers for Democrats who followed advice and use the system rather than risk Covid at polling stations.

    Why is he now surprised that postal votes are going against him?

    Farage came out a couple of hours ago stating the Postal voting system is fraudulent. Thick as thieves :D


  • #2408
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Crazy story that USPS failed to deliver 27% of mail in ballots in South Florida

    You wont hear Trump mentioning that

    String in bow of Dems if Trumps goes legal as they may be allowed to count these votes and as evidence has proved the majority of mail in ballots are democrats and that would flip Florida


  • #2409
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    valoren wrote: »
    The fraud nonsense again. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. My guess is that after a cursory inquiry is done for show, while Trump holds office, nothing will be uncovered. Remember how Trump actually won the election last time and still touted there was fraud afoot because his ego couldn't deal with Clinton winning the popular vote? Broken record time again. You can have the likes of Farage joining Andrew Neil to deliver the opposite view point for some sense of balance, he can prattle on about electoral fraud. While Neil can obviously challenge it the problem becomes that despite having zero evidence to say such a thing, his mere presence on the show lends a small semblance of credibility and all in the notion of providing balance. He gets a platform to spout lies and it takes hold as a narrative. Thus we see electoral fraud touting specific numbers creeping into the discourse.

    Major problem for the media to contend with in the coming years. Allowing people to spout things that are demonstrably false is not fair or balanced, it only lends undue credibility to liars. As you say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


  • #2410
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    deathbomber wrote: »
    Farage came out a couple of hours ago stating the Postal voting system is fraudulent. Thick as thieves :D

    Aye well Brexit is intertwined with who wins the Presidential race quite tightly, Farage would be pooping himself if Biden wins!


  • #2411
    UpBack1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭UpBack1234


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Aye well Brexit is intertwined with who wins the Presidential race quite tightly, Farage would be pooping himself if Biden wins!

    There's also the small matter of the the 10,000 quid he put on a Trump win. He wishes there was fraud!:)


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  • #2412
    Dillonb3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    deathbomber wrote: »
    Farage came out a couple of hours ago stating the Postal voting system is fraudulent. Thick as thieves :D

    Andrew Neil interviewed and pulled him up over it.
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1323938999468175367


    Worrying about Arizona and hard to know where the votes are coming in from. Conservatives on twitter are claiming they're in Trump's favor


  • #2413
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    John King is back!


  • #2414
    Nody
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    valoren wrote: »
    The fraud nonsense again. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. My guess is that after a cursory inquiry is done for show, while Trump holds office, nothing will be uncovered. Remember how Trump actually won the election last time and still touted there was fraud afoot because his ego couldn't deal with Clinton winning the popular vote? Broken record time again. You can have the likes of Farage joining Andrew Neil to deliver the opposite view point for some sense of balance, he can prattle on about electoral fraud. While Neil can obviously challenge it the problem becomes that despite having zero evidence to say such a thing, his mere presence on the show lends a small semblance of credibility and all in the notion of providing balance. He gets a platform to spout lies and it takes hold as a narrative. Thus we see electoral fraud touting specific numbers creeping into the discourse.
    The latest study for fraud in voting in the US puts it at 0.0009% in 2017; with a record 160 million voters we're talking about 1440 cases in all of USA. For Wisconsin; well good luck (Scott was the republican governor for Wisconsin 2011-2019)...

    https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1324002777597677569


  • #2415
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,028 ✭✭✭circadian


    extra gravy wrote: »
    John King is back!




    The only redeeming thing about CNN. I don't mind Anderson or Don Lemon too much but the likes of Jake Tapper et al are just eughh.


  • #2416
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Dillonb3 wrote: »
    Andrew Neil interviewed and pulled him up over it.
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1323938999468175367


    Worrying about Arizona and hard to know where the votes are coming in from. Conservatives on twitter are claiming they're in Trump's favor

    Majority of votes in arizona to be counted are Phoenix and Tucson

    Hasn't a hope


  • #2417
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Biden stretches his lead in Michigan


  • #2418
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Fox's dials have Biden with a 95% chance in Michigan, 93% in Wisconsin and 70% in Nevada


  • #2419
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    John King has jumped from Clare County to Roscommon County in Michigan Here


  • #2420
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Fox's dials have Biden with a 95% chance in Michigan, 93% in Wisconsin and 70% in Nevada

    Nevada is vitally important, if PA doesn't narrow!


  • #2421
    Quin_Dub
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    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Fox's dials have Biden with a 95% chance in Michigan, 93% in Wisconsin and 70% in Nevada

    I see that - Also they have Georgia , North Carolina and Pennsylvania blank.

    Have they stopped counting there or something, is that why they are blank?


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  • #2422
    Roanmore
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    Don’t have access to Fox. What is the general tone to their coverage?
    I know Hannity will be shouting fraud but what about the others?


  • #2423
    Clareemigrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Clareemigrant


    Must be first time ever that a Mayo team snatch victory from the jaws of defeat


  • #2424
    sheeplover55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭sheeplover55


    Roanmore wrote: »
    Don’t have access to Fox. What is the general tone to their coverage?
    I know Hannity will be shouting fraud but what about the others?

    Calm and neutral. Brett Baier and McMallum hosting with Juan Williams, Chris Wallace among others on the panel.


  • #2425
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    kilns wrote: »
    Crazy story that USPS failed to deliver 27% of mail in ballots in South Florida

    You wont hear Trump mentioning that

    String in bow of Dems if Trumps goes legal as they may be allowed to count these votes and as evidence has proved the majority of mail in ballots are democrats and that would flip Florida

    Is there a source for that?
    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    We're discussing the scenario of a 269-269 draw leading to a House vote on the President , which is on a State by State basis.

    It is possible for the House to be drawn 25-25 in the State head to head , hence the need for a casting vote.

    It's a highly unlikely scenario given the state of play right now , but just musing.

    The Nebraska result took that off the table, right?


  • #2426
    Nody
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    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Is there a source for that?
    It's tied with the order to USPS to find the missing 300.000 scanned in ballots that were not delivered.
    The order came after the Postal Service filed data in court Tuesday that showed about 300,000 ballots nationwide that haven’t been scanned to confirm they were delivered, even though USPS says they were processed.

    USPS also shared data that revealed low on-time delivery scores of completed ballots, including about 74% in South Florida.


  • #2427
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,509 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Is there a source for that?

    USPS themselves. However when the order was made by the judge they more or less said no, they'll do it on their own schedule.

    https://twitter.com/usatodayDC/status/1323996339932483585
    https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1324004554485211136?s=20


  • #2428
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Wisconsin called for Biden by 20,697 votes

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #2429
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    sheeplover55 wrote: »
    Calm and neutral. Brett Baier and McMallum hosting with Juan Williams, Chris Wallace among others on the panel.

    The sensible journalists at Fox. They wouldn't let Hannity near the election coverage, he isn't really a journalist.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #2430
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1324027105982763011

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • #2431
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Anybody who leads the popular vote by 2.6 million and loses has to ask questions about the fairness of the system.
    Although I think he will do it now.
    He's virtually got Wisconsin now, and Michigan looks likely. Once Nevada counts the (overwhelmingly blue) mail-in ballots, he's hit 270


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