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  • #3362
    Alessandra Miniature Owl
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandra Miniature Owl


    Wisconsin looks as good as sealed, they were waiting for some county to come in and it hasn't swung back for Trump.

    Gap in MI is closing every time it refreshes with lots of urban votes left to go.


  • #3363
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Ximena Unimportant Strikeout wrote: »
    Wisconsin looks as good as sealed, they were waiting for some county to come in and it hasn't swung back for Trump.

    Gap in MI is closing every time it refreshes with lots of urban votes left to go.

    Michigan literally seperated by a couple thousand votes at the moment... with just mail in ballots to be counted that should be toast for Trump there.


  • #3364
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,779 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    kuang1 wrote: »
    No matter what the final outcome this has been an embarrassment for the Dems.

    Just looking at Florida alone: with almost all of the votes counted, Trump is up by 3.4%.
    That's absolutely huge for him in that state. He only beat Hilary by 2% 4 years ago there.

    When you consider the age demographic in Florida along with the impact of covid, how the Democrats couldn't manufacture a win out of that is mind boggling.
    They're saying it's the latino vote that stuck with trump there, but it's not like they didn't know this in advance.

    They didn't. The Latino community there voted heavily in favour of Clinton last time out. I'm not sure anyone saw their support of Trump coming. Not even Trump.


  • #3365
    Ashlyn Delightful Voter
    Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭ Ashlyn Delightful Voter


    Ximena Unimportant Strikeout wrote: »
    Wisconsin looks as good as sealed, they were waiting for some county to come in and it hasn't swung back for Trump.

    Gap in MI is closing every time it refreshes with lots of urban votes left to go.

    what site are you watching for the results?


  • #3366
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,700 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Nevada, Arizona, Maine, Michigan and Wisconsin will all ultimately fall for Biden, which renders PA irrelevant.

    But I think he'll pick up PA too, if the mail in vote continues to follow the same trend he will anyway.


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  • #3367
    Alessandra Miniature Owl
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandra Miniature Owl


    Ashlyn Delightful Voter wrote: »
    what site are you watching for the results?

    Here: https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/


  • #3368
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,145 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Biden currently 1/4 in the betting after being 2/1 at 7am


  • #3369
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,145 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    looks like trump was right to be terrified of the mail in votes....


  • #3370
    kuang1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,475 ✭✭✭kuang1


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Biden currently 1/4 in the betting after being 2/1 at 7am

    Biden got to 3/1 around the 3.00am mark (our time)


  • #3371
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Jesus the revenge of thomond will be savage :pac:


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  • #3372
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,965 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Right wing populism is on the rise because of the view that the move to more extreme liberal politics needs to be halted and investigated more.
    Thats all im saying.


    Sorry I don't agree with that assumption at all. Its far more nuanced than that. Anyway I'll leave it.


  • #3373
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    pickarooney wrote: »
    is there some kind of semi-enlightenment in the state?

    FFS, I see those turnips have elected some QAnon gimp to congress.


  • #3374
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Big momentum shift but it's going to be something of a hollow victory in reality if the Dems lose both houses. If Biden wins but has no support from the Senate or the HoR, he's going to be a relatively impotent president.


  • #3375
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,145 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    OldRio wrote: »
    Right wing populism is on the rise because of the view that the move to more extreme liberal politics needs to be halted and investigated more.
    Thats all im saying.


    Sorry I don't agree with that assumption at all. Its far more nuanced than that. Anyway I'll leave it.

    any i dont agree with you either ;)

    Its populism, its actually not very 'nuanced' at all... in fact its the antithesis of nuanced. Liberal politics is nuanced.

    this article from a very left leaning newssite says it best:
    Like the triumph of Brexit in the UK, the election of Trump was an angry verdict on decades of rising inequality and a version of globalisation that benefits those at the top but leaves ordinary people feeling disempowered. It was also a rebuke for a technocratic approach to politics that is tone deaf to the resentments of people who feel the economy and the culture have left them behind.

    Some denounce the upsurge of populism as little more than a racist, xenophobic reaction against immigrants and multiculturalism. Others see it mainly in economic terms, as a protest against the job losses brought about by global trade and new technologies.

    But it is a mistake to see only the bigotry in populist protest, or to view it exclusively as an economic complaint. To do so misses the fact that the upheavals we are witnessing are a political response to a political failure of historic proportions.

    The right-wing populism ascendant today is a symptom of the failure of progressive politics.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/05/right-wing-populism-rising-progressive-politics-fails-it-too-late-save-democracy


  • #3376
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,965 ✭✭✭OldRio


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    any i dont agree with you either ;)

    Its populism, its actually not very 'nuanced' at all... in fact its the antithesis of nuanced. Liberal politics is nuanced.

    this article from a very left leaning newssite says it best:



    https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/05/right-wing-populism-rising-progressive-politics-fails-it-too-late-save-democracy

    Like I said I'll leave it.


  • #3377
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,145 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    OldRio wrote: »
    Like I said I'll leave it.

    fair enough


  • #3378
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Buer wrote: »
    Big momentum shift but it's going to be something of a hollow victory in reality if the Dems lose both houses. If Biden wins but has no support from the Senate or the HoR, he's going to be a relatively impotent president.

    Is there a real chance he could lose the HoR?

    They won’t have the senate, but at the very least you’d think he might be able to appeal across the aisle of the senate a bit more than Trump was able to, given his time there


  • #3379
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Has Michigan gone blue?


  • #3380
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,700 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Stheno wrote: »
    Has Michigan gone blue?

    Yes.


  • #3381
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,812 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Stheno wrote: »
    Has Michigan gone blue?

    Looks to be that way. Only 1137 votes ahead with 89% counted, but again most of them remaining are mail-ins which really seem to be killing off Trump. Despite his best attempts to bring a halt to it.


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  • #3382
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Buer wrote: »
    Big momentum shift but it's going to be something of a hollow victory in reality if the Dems lose both houses. If Biden wins but has no support from the Senate or the HoR, he's going to be a relatively impotent president.

    Congress is all but assured, they've lost a few seats but they should retain control.

    Narrowly going to lose the senate by the look of it, it was always an uphill battle for them. And it will effectively neuter the presidency which is bad news for democrats.


  • #3383
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wisconsin was due to be announced ages ago but was looking like a narrow Biden win. Michigan probably wont be too close when all is counted.


  • #3384
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I stopped following for a while until one of my colleagues pinged me that Michigan was gone blue:)


  • #3385
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,812 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Starting to swing around now, ahead 12k in Michigan, and ahead in Nevada, Wisconsin and Arizona.

    Could end up that Pennsylvania won't be needed. But would have to think it'd be one they want to get just out of principle to try and recover from this shambles.


  • #3386
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Starting to swing around now, ahead 12k in Michigan, and ahead in Nevada, Wisconsin and Arizona.

    Could end up that Pennsylvania won't be needed. But would have to think it'd be one they want to get just out of principle to try and recover from this shambles.

    How many electoral college votes would that give them?


  • #3387
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Is there a real chance he could lose the HoR?

    They won’t have the senate, but at the very least you’d think he might be able to appeal across the aisle of the senate a bit more than Trump was able to, given his time there

    It's probably unlikely but they're looking like they'll certainly lose some of their majority there. The end game of this week is going to be slender majority for GOP in the Senate, slender majority for the Dems in the House and legal wrangle for the presidency with Biden having been declared the winner but open to challenge from Trump.


  • #3388
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,812 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Stheno wrote: »
    How many electoral college votes would that give them?

    Would get 16 from Michigan, 11 from Arizona, 10 from Wisconsin, 6 from Nevada. Needs 32 to get to the 270.


  • #3389
    b.gud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Trump is awake and tweeting*, this is when it gets fun :)

    *Some of his tweets have already been labeled misleading by Twitter


  • #3390
    b.gud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭b.gud


    It looks like the Dems are starting to rally in the race for the senate now


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  • #3391
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Why does the Washington Post have lower numbers for Biden (224-213) than the Guardian does (238-213)?


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