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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • #2792
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,791 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    sabat wrote: »
    To deconstruct and summarise Varadkar's account in the Dáil today:

    Having weighed up all the different factors of the negotiations with GPs and the two representative groups, he concluded that the optimum strategy for the public good was to secretly furnish the NAGP with a confidential provisional agreement. However, he didn't actually do anything to realise this plan until an acquaintance of his from the NAGP just so happened to have had the exact same idea-completely independently- and asked Varadkar to do it.

    Hard to disagree with any of that, but I think for a realistic chance of him having to step down there would need to be some pressure from FF, Greens or within his own party and it just doesn't seem to be there


  • #2793
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I don't agree McGrath was alluding to his sexuality, but if a man was closely questioned about his relationship with a woman, it was suspected he was doing political favours for, would an eye be batted if he was asked if the relationship was intimate?

    The hang ups here are owned by the people who won't even allow mention of his sexuality without shouting homophobe.
    He's gay, others are hetrosexual, so what?

    Oh the Monaghan valley of the squinting windows is at it again.

    What does it matter who a politician is shagging?

    Hiding homophobia underneath a misogynistic hood is the ultimate excuse. It is a sign of your low standards that you would ask a heterosexual politician if he was shagging somebody.

    Questions like yours are off limits because everyone deserves privacy. So long as it isn’t illegal, what’s the problem?

    Excusing homophobia by saying you would ask the same irrelevant questions of a heterosexual is just cowardice,


  • #2794
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    stockshares wrote: »
    That's what I mean They will bring this Giv down. When this gets worse during the week they will have to for their own survival.

    They shouldn’t be that stupid, there will never be another government as open to Green ideas.


  • #2795
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Oh the Monaghan valley of the squinting windows is at it again.

    What does it matter who a politician is shagging?

    Hiding homophobia underneath a misogynistic hood is the ultimate excuse. It is a sign of your low standards that you would ask a heterosexual politician if he was shagging somebody.

    Questions like yours are off limits because everyone deserves privacy. So long as it isn’t illegal, what’s the problem?

    Excusing homophobia by saying you would ask the same irrelevant questions of a heterosexual is just cowardice,

    What's irrelevant about it? If he is giving confidential information to somebody because he is in a relationship, then that is relevant.

    You are displaying your belief here, hinted at again and again that same sex relationships are abnormal in some way.

    It's 2020 blanch, not the 50's.


  • #2796
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Genuine question - what do you think will prompt this? As it currently stands the Taoiseach is backing him, the greens are satisfied, he has given his side of the story and been questioned directly by the opposition for over an hour without any real knockout blow. It would need a huge turn around to see him step down at this stage without further revelations coming out

    I think MM is being cute. He 'backed' him but I thought it was in a very non-committal way. His own backbenchers will be on to him now for backing him whilst dropping his own fellas. Because of pressure from backbenchers and the fear of losing Government Leo will be politely asked to relinquish his position as Tánaiste and Minister and to sit up the back and keep his head down. He'll agree to this "on reflection and in the interest of Government and respect for the Irish people/electorate"

    FG won't have a problem either. I thought from Simon Harris demeanour today that he was absolutely fuming at being dragged into this.

    Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is a done deal already. Varadkars position as Minister For Enterprise, Trade & Employment is completely untenable now IMO.


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  • #2797
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    I think MM is being cute. He 'backed' him but I thought it was in a very non-committal way. His own backbenchers will be on to him now for backing him whilst dropping his own fellas. Because of pressure from backbenchers and the fear of losing Government Leo will be politely asked to relinquish his position as Tánaiste and Minister and to sit up the back and keep his head down. He'll agree to this "on reflection and in the interest of Government and respect for the Irish people/electorate"

    FG won't have a problem either. I thought from Simon Harris demeanour today that he was absolutely fuming at being dragged into this.

    Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is a done deal already. Varadkars position as Minister For Enterprise, Trade & Employment is completely untenable now IMO.

    No doubt Harris's unprompted and not planned interjection at the end was to protect himself.


  • #2798
    kerry_man15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    For supposedly not being good friends there are several photos going around like this one where they are cuddling up to each other....Leo is a bare faced liar as well as completely untrustworthy


  • #2799
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    That's your issue right there. Anger and outrage.

    It's the most pressing outcome of all this issue - why are so very many men so angry about life?


    I dunno Johnny, why do you camp out on a message board slagging everybody off with a bulging vein in your forehead?


  • #2800
    Holy Mary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭Holy Mary


    kerry_man15 wrote: »
    For supposedly not being good friends there are several photos going around like this one where they are cuddling up to each other....Leo is a bare faced liar as well as completely untrustworthy

    Tut tut. Sour grapes much?


  • #2801
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    MOT holds the key to all this.

    He knows all the info.

    Leo could regret throwing him under the bus.

    I’m fairly confident they discussed all this over the weekend. Leo will look after Matt once this has all calmed down.


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  • #2802
    Holy Mary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭Holy Mary


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I’m fairly confident they discussed all this over the weekend. Leo will look after Matt once this has all calmed down.

    Aye. You can't put an old head on young shoulders.


  • #2803
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Oh the Monaghan valley of the squinting windows is at it again.

    What does it matter who a politician is shagging?

    Hiding homophobia underneath a misogynistic hood is the ultimate excuse. It is a sign of your low standards that you would ask a heterosexual politician if he was shagging somebody.

    Questions like yours are off limits because everyone deserves privacy. So long as it isn’t illegal, what’s the problem?

    Excusing homophobia by saying you would ask the same irrelevant questions of a heterosexual is just cowardice,

    Your take is more homophobic if anything.


  • #2804
    kerry_man15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    None whatsoever, just stating something really obvious, not sure how you can get "sour grapes' from that?
    So are you suggesting they don't look cosy and friendly in the pictures? MoT was even in LV's group of 6 to socialise with during lockdown, how do you explain the 'not really friends' then? It's BS


  • #2805
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What's irrelevant about it? If he is giving confidential information to somebody because he is in a relationship, then that is relevant.

    You are displaying your belief here, hinted at again and again that same sex relationships are abnormal in some way.

    It's 2020 blanch, not the 50's.

    Whats homophobic is Blanch et al treating homosexual relationships differently to heterosexual relationships.


  • #2806
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I hope amongst all this non-story as FGers have being telling us that nobody missed Richard Bruton showing the nation on how to bake scones?


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/baking-bad-richard-bruton-goes-viral-again-with-wholesome-scone-tutorial-39701407.html

    Imagine thinking you could distract from Leaky Leo by posting a video about making scones. Fine Gael have been entirely lacking with the senior hurling we keep getting promised, instead all we get is Leo on the ropes and Tricky Dicky in his kitchen licking his sticky fingers.

    Meanwhile the Paddy Power odds are in- Will Varadkar be Tanaiste on 1st December 2020?

    Yes 1/3
    No 2/1

    https://www.paddypower.com/politics?tab=ireland

    You do realise how odds work?

    That's a ringing endorsement for Varadkar. Shows how this issue is a nothing burger.


  • #2807
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    You do realise how odds work?

    That's a ringing endorsement for Varadkar. Shows how this issue is a nothing burger.

    2015/16 Season Odds to win Premier League

    Leicester 5000/1

    How did that work out for the bookies??


  • #2808
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    I think MM is being cute. He 'backed' him but I thought it was in a very non-committal way. His own backbenchers will be on to him now for backing him whilst dropping his own fellas. Because of pressure from backbenchers and the fear of losing Government Leo will be politely asked to relinquish his position as Tánaiste and Minister and to sit up the back and keep his head down. He'll agree to this "on reflection and in the interest of Government and respect for the Irish people/electorate"

    FG won't have a problem either. I thought from Simon Harris demeanour today that he was absolutely fuming at being dragged into this.

    Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is a done deal already. Varadkars position as Minister For Enterprise, Trade & Employment is completely untenable now IMO.

    I wouldn't be surprised to hear the phrase "distracting from the important work this government is..."


  • #2809
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    You do realise how odds work?

    That's a ringing endorsement for Varadkar. Shows how this issue is a nothing burger.

    Really? Like Brexit?

    Money is not votes. Betting sentiment is not votes. No matter how hard the thugs in each party try. The bookies cover €$£ positions, not a voting rump .....


  • #2810
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    2015/16 Season Odds to win Premier League

    Leicester 5000/1

    How did that work out for the bookies??

    The dude quoted the odds as if it was bad news.

    Bookies rarely get it wrong. I'd say there's lots of cranks (SF heads) lumping on money on the Leo not to be tánaiste. A total waste of their money. I doubt they mind. Same demographic that buys the sun, does the lotto every week, smokes 20 a day and buys their dinner from the frozen food isle - so unlikely to be too financially savvy, to be fair.

    It's why Pearse Doherty's angry shouty politics goes down so well with that demographic.


  • #2811
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    The dude quoted the odds as if it was bad news.

    Bookies rarely get it wrong. I'd say there's lots of cranks (SF heads) lumping on money on the Leo not to be tánaiste. A total waste of their money. I doubt they mind. Same demographic that buys the sun, does the lotto every week, smokes 20 a day and buys their dinner from the frozen food isle - so unlikely to be too financially savvy, to be fair.

    It's why Pearse Doherty's angry shouty politics goes down so well with that demographic.

    2/1 are not great odds to make it only 4 weeks. We'll have to see if The Village really have a second chapter today.


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  • #2812
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Whats homophobic is Blanch et al treating homosexual relationships differently to heterosexual relationships.

    Not a bit of it, doesn't bother me who a politician is shagging, so long as it is legal.

    It has been a recurrent theme on this thread, I was being nice in calling it valley of the squinting windows, it is actually more of an unhealthy prurient interest being displayed by some posters.


  • #2813
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The opposition do not want Leo to go and they definitely don't want a general election now. They are getting way too much mileage out of this coalition of chaos. FFGG only been in government 5 months! But the opposition are happy to see the FG poster boy tarnished.

    FF and FG are fast merging in people's minds now - they are showing that they are 2 sides of the same coin. The FF TDs were ok to let Martin defend Leo as long as Leo promised to stop undermining them and leaking. Time will tell.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #2814
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Not a bit of it, doesn't bother me who a politician is shagging, so long as it is legal.

    It has been a recurrent theme on this thread, I was being nice in calling it valley of the squinting windows, it is actually more of an unhealthy prurient interest being displayed by some posters.

    You and others have displayed your deep issues with perfectly normal human relationships here many times. Your own over sensitivity to any mention of his sexuality (real or unintended) and others outrage when perfectly normal words like 'bent' and 'back channels' were used, as we seen yesterday) is a sure sign of somebody with issues.

    If a politcian's trust or fitness for a post can be called into question because he is a 'womaiser' so too can a gay's man's trust if he is libidinous or promiscuous in a relevant way.

    Again, I speak in general terms. I personally do not think this has anything to do with Varadkar's case here.


  • #2815
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Not a bit of it, doesn't bother me who a politician is shagging, so long as it is legal.

    It has been a recurrent theme on this thread, I was being nice in calling it valley of the squinting windows, it is actually more of an unhealthy prurient interest being displayed by some posters.

    You're the one who keeps trying to make an issue out of a non issue, he's gay, everyone knows it, it's no big deal.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #2816
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I'll just leave this here so.

    https://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1323766293984661504?s=09

    I missed this last night but even watching that clip, Peter looks nervous and uncomfortable, and desperately trying to deflect and turn it back on Pease/SF anytime a nerve is struck.

    Will have to watch the whole thing I think but more harm than good is my assessment of Peter's performance.

    Oh, and not a Shinner (before that tired old angle is used), but they are useful in situations like this so as to challenge the spin and nonsense from the Big 2.


  • #2817
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I missed this last night but even watching that clip, Peter looks nervous and uncomfortable, and desperately trying to deflect and turn it back on Pease/SF anytime a nerve is struck.

    Will have to watch the whole thing I think but no harm than good is my assessment of Peter's performance.

    Oh, and not a Shinner (before that tired old angle is used), but they are useful in situations like this so as to challenge the spin and nonsense from the Big 2.

    FFG are actually terrified of him, sending Burke out to debate the likes of Doherty was a completely stupid move on their part.

    Paschal would have been a much more formidable opponent, but they've already played that card, I guess they're left with the B-team to try and defend the indefensible.

    That wasn't even the most cringeworthy part of his appearance. Look up where he tells Doherty that "he's no evidence" while Doherty is actually holding up a litany of documents and literature to back what he was saying, ie "evidence". :D


  • #2818
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Not a bit of it, doesn't bother me who a politician is shagging, so long as it is legal.

    It has been a recurrent theme on this thread, I was being nice in calling it valley of the squinting windows, it is actually more of an unhealthy prurient interest being displayed by some posters.

    Hogwash!! If this was any other politician, for example Pearse Doherty/Jack Chambers, and the info was passed onto some dolly bird, the insinuations would be a lot more vocal than they are with Leo. You want Leo treated differently because of his sexual orientation. That is plain to see.


  • #2819
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Weren't Village Magazine planning to release a new article at 3pm yesterday also? Or is that the one that's coming today that they decided to delay?


  • #2820
    Nobotty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    Would people stop going on about Sex
    Matty mcGrath did slip on that front yesterday but he's a behemoth
    Most people aren't


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  • #2821
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    The dude quoted the odds as if it was bad news.

    Bookies rarely get it wrong. I'd say there's lots of cranks (SF heads) lumping on money on the Leo not to be tánaiste. A total waste of their money. I doubt they mind. Same demographic that buys the sun, does the lotto every week, smokes 20 a day and buys their dinner from the frozen food isle - so unlikely to be too financially savvy, to be fair.

    It's why Pearse Doherty's angry shouty politics goes down so well with that demographic.

    Wow....That's just an unreal statement. Really shows the bigotry and lack of tolerance that exists within your party.

    Over half a million people gave SF their first choice in the last election (I didn't BTW..) Almost 100k more that what FG got. Do you honestly think that all of those people match your demographic outlined above ?

    Blind loyalty and blind hatred are really becoming the mantrta of FG supporters.


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