Would you like to see cigarettes slowly banned?

Should suffer a slow extinction through people copping the fcuk on to its health effects and realising that burning vegetable matter wrapped in paper in your gob is a stupid look.

Deleted User wrote: »

Prohibition doesn't work. We need to legalise and tax all drugs. Use that money to support hospitals rather than support criminal gangs.

"Prohibition is the trigger of crime. "
Ian Flemming - Goldfinger 1959

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yeah......OK


Rape was banned centuries ago and here we are "rape free"


You dreamer.

If rape wasn’t illegal do you think we’d see more rapes or less ? More, because it being illegal, means there is a deterrent for scumbags who would rape.

If breaking traffic lights wasn’t illegal, yes we’d see more people breaking the lights.

Same any crime, the laws and the consequences of breaking them is what keeps law and order in the main.

If cigarettes were banned, people illegally manufacturing them could make a shîtload of cash a year, or years in jail..

Banning things is both a conservative and left wing default position for social control. It always backfires.
Education, tax, Instagram, kicking smokers out of bars and vaping have done more to decrease cigarettes than any banning could ever do without the associated black market when you ban stuff. Cigarettes will be a tiny minority activity in twenty years, although in Africa, Asia where none or few of those exist and cigarette marketers have free reign, then it will be fifty + years before major decreases materialize.

xzanti wrote: »

I don't smoke. I cannot stand it.

But no. I don't think it should be banned.

We have had enough liberties taken away from us in recent years.

Is it a liberty though ? The cost in terms of human cost and financial is crazy.

https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/quit-smoking/reasons-to-quit-smoking/smoking-facts-and-figures.html

In Ireland, smoking is the leading cause of avoidable death. Nearly 6,000 people die in Ireland each year from the effects of smoking and thousands of others suffer from smoking-related diseases. That’s according to the HSE.

EVERY cigarette is bad for you. You can enjoy alcohol in moderation, junk food in moderation but every cigarette is bad for you.

Costs the taxpayers millions every year, despite the revenue raised.

Prevents taxpayers and non smokers having access to other hospital treatments because so many resources are plowed into helping people with smoking related diseases... there is serious underfunding in the areas of rehabilitation from the likes of brain injuries etc... that people acquired through no fault of their own... car crashes, assaults, workplace accidents... yet billions is spent, on smokers health even though every smoker is enabled from a child to know and understand...it will likely cause you medical issues of some sort in the future... but because of their choice, disregard this knowledge.

Deleted User wrote: »

Push that on smokers who have an urge to stop, rather than making cigarettes illegal.

There are different attitudes though in smokers, smokers who...

- enjoy smoking, have no great wish to or feeling of trying to quit.

- say they are going to try and quit but who NEVER ever walked to a chemist to buy a pack of patches, yet talk about it, NEVER ever looked at the idea of a psychologist but 10 times through the year mentioned to friends about this girl in Dublin 3 who helps 4 out of 5 clients stop smoking. TALK about it.

Having an urge and want doesn’t translate into trying. My cousins wife is like this, my eyes glaze over when she talks about it for the 111 time..

Just ban the fückers...

Strumms wrote: »

There are different attitudes though in smokers, smokers who...

- enjoy smoking, have no great wish to or feeling of trying to quit.

- say they are going to try and quit but who NEVER ever walked to a chemist to buy a pack of patches, yet talk about it, NEVER ever looked at the idea of a psychologist but 10 times through the year mentioned to friends about this girl in Dublin 3 who helps 4 out of 5 clients stop smoking. TALK about it.

Having an urge and want doesn’t translate into trying. My cousins wife is like this, my eyes glaze over when she talks about it for the 111 time..

Just ban the fückers...

And then there will be zero tax take on smoking but a massive increase in profits for organised crime and sweet FA difference in the numbers smoking.

This childish fantasy that governments, medical experts and far too many people in general have that banning vices actually stops people indulging is one of the biggest societal failings we still cling on to.

The problems with addictive and damaging substance abuse is not being dealt with properly. At the same time we have empowered a huge rise in the power and reach of utterly devastating international crime networks on the backs of supplying illicit substances and services while at the same time squandering trillions of public money fighting an unwinnable war on a black market not a single county on the planet has successfully stopped.

Nah, the ban in pubs was enough for me just at a time when I would start going to them.

I despise cigarettes and smoke but people should be free to have the choice to smoke them.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I believe that the amount taxed far surpasses the taxpayers cost. Not everyone has a medical card.

As for the whole liberty thing tho. A person has the right to smoke. Because if you listen and take on board what EVERYONE says alcohol would be banned. McDonald's would be banned. Wearing tracksuits would be banned everything would be banned.

Nope, smoking costs more than tax revenue offsets.

https://assets.gov.ie/34808/8b5d52eeea4447419f38b447733d02b9.pdf


A person has the right to smoke a cigarette correct.

But i would be for banning the importation, manufacturing and sale of them.

No person or business should have the right to put such a pressure and cost on the health services.

The alcohol comparison is disingenuous. Alcohol is not dangerous or unhealthy if consumed in moderation.

Smoking is unhealthy if you smoke a handful daily or with regularity. Even one or two https://health.clevelandclinic.org/even-smoking-just-one-or-two-cigarettes-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-lung-disease/

Banning them might help with the newer generations getting hooked but I think it would just lead them to being smuggled in and being soled at a cheaper price.

global23214124 wrote: »

Banning them might help with the newer generations getting hooked but I think it would just lead them to being smuggled in and being soled at a cheaper price.

It’s very unlikely to be possible.

Technology is the friend of the authority’s now. An X-ray can detect drugs, tobacco and cigarettes with ease. An ion scanner can identify the nature of the contents of a shipment in seconds.. cigarettes, heroin, cocaine, cannabis...

This technology is used in ports and airports worldwide. .01 nanograms of a substance in a shipment be it gelignite, cocaine, tobacco, whatever can be detected through swabbing residues on the outside or inside of packaging and the use of an ion scanner. It would be easy to stop cigarettes..