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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭DutchYurt


    Fastly still on the down after hours, one of the few in my watchlist to stay red yesterday. I'll have to turn to holistic trading soon if this keeps up!


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Bob24 wrote: »
    True, you can't lose more than your original stake. But it still is leveraged in the sense that your gains/losses are magnified by a factor 3. I.e. if you invested 100 and the Nasdaq rises 10% tomorrow, you will lose 30 (and if the indice increases 30% you lose almost everything you had invested - that is leverage). ...

    nice chart but its meaningless. I already covered the case for volatility .
    (you can see that QQQS has lost about 70% of its value in the past 6 months
    6 months of data is not painting the actual picture.

    I happen to think we are back into February , first week of March territory .
    So Im playing QQQS and a few others to catch the same type of trend that happened back then . While your long holdings were crashing thru the floor the index short ETFS like QQQS was offering 100%+ gains during that window, so like I say your chart is meaningless as its a chart of the post MARCH market crash recovery, but Im talking about benefiting from an upcoming potential second market crash and not losing your shirt.

    Those who are smart enough to see the difference can invest in a perfectly safe non-leveraged ETF with very limited risk as a hedge against the winds that are blowing thru society that may see a second major dip in coming month.

    Its all opinion . If you dont think 'winter is coming' dont buy into it.
    If you do , then buy some .
    I bought more SHORT non-leveraged ETFs this morning, record covid cases worldwide yestreday and Faucci is talking late 2021 early 2022 before normality.
    Anyone who thinks the same , free country, jump on board.
    Anyone who thinks because of this I am exposed to potential leveraged margin calls from my brokers is talking out their .....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    nice chart but its meaningless. I already covered the case for volatility .

    6 months of data is not painting the actual picture.

    I happen to think we are back into February , first week of March territory .
    So Im playing QQQS and a few others to catch the same type of trend that happened back then . While your long holdings were crashing thru the floor the index short ETFS like QQQS was offering 100%+ gains during that window, so like I say your chart is meaningless as its a chart of the post MARCH market crash recovery, but Im talking about benefiting from an upcoming potential second market crash and not losing your shirt.

    Those who are smart enough to see the difference can invest in a perfectly safe non-leveraged ETF with very limited risk as a hedge against the winds that are blowing thru society that may see a second major dip in coming month.

    Its all opinion . If you dont think 'winter is coming' dont buy into it.
    If you do , then buy some .
    I bought more SHORT non-leveraged ETFs this morning, record covid cases worldwide yestreday and Faucci is talking late 2021 early 2022 before normality.
    Anyone who thinks the same , free country, jump on board.
    Anyone who thinks because of this I am exposed to potential leveraged margin calls from my brokers is talking out their .....

    I have lost track of how many times you wrote "non-leveraged" in the past few posts :)

    The QQQS ETF you are referring to is leveraged though ... see the KIID for the ETF, whereby the very issuer of this product states "losses will be magnified by leverage". I don't think anyone is claiming that holding this ETF is subjecting you to margin calls (obviously it isn't, it is the point of the product to avoid it, and package the complexity of leveraged investment into a simple to hold ETF). But no margin calls doesn't mean no leverage: there is leverage built into the product to achieve the triple magnitude effect - essentially the issuer is borrowing and/or buying leveraged derivatives on your behalf to achieve the tripling effect, the underlying financial structure is significantly more complex than a basic ETF tracking an indice.

    On the chart I posted. It illustrates the effect of beta slippage on leveraged ETFs like QQQS (and shows that effect is even more pronounced for short ETFs than it is for long ETFs). The is a generic concept and nothing to do with specific marked conditions this year. The point is that holding this type of ETF for any prolonged period tends to cost quite a bit of money regardless of what the market does.

    Hence why those should only be used for a short period of time an if one has very strong conviction or requires cover. As I said, nothing wrong with using that ETF if you have very strong conviction the Nasdaq will crash in the coming days. But if we are talking weeks or even more so months, then it is a fairly costly and risky instrument to use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭DutchYurt


    ANY WAY - as the races are about to start.

    What are peoples thoughts on Pinterest long term, I like how they are making their website into a marketplace where they can create profit rather than people just posting pretty pictures, has the boat sailed or do people see long term value?


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Bob24 wrote: »
    I have lost track of how many times you wrote "non-leveraged" in the past few posts :)

    The QQQS ETF you are referring to is leveraged though ... see the KIID for the ETF, whereby the very issuer of this product states "losses will be magnified by leverage". I don't think anyone is claiming that holding this ETF is subjecting you to margin calls (obviously it isn't, it is the point of the product to avoid it, and package the complexity of leveraged investment into a simple to hold ETF). But no margin calls doesn't mean no leverage: there is leverage built into the product to achieve the triple magnitude effect - essentially the issuer is borrowing and/or buying leveraged derivatives on your behalf to achieve the tripling effect, the underlying financial structure is significantly more complex than a basic ETF tracking an indice.

    On the chart I posted. It illustrates the effect of beta slippage on leveraged ETFs like QQQS (and shows that effect is even more pronounced for short ETFs than it is for long ETFs). The is a generic concept and nothing to do with specific marked conditions this year. The point is that holding this type of ETF for any prolonged period tends to cost quite a bit of money regardless of what the market does.

    Hence why those should only be used for a short period of time an if one has very strong conviction or requires cover. As I said, nothing wrong with using that ETF if you have very strong conviction the Nasdaq will crash in the coming days. But if we are talking weeks or even more so months, then it is a fairly costly and risky instrument to use.

    Posters have been implying buying this ETF is buying with leverage , which its not.
    IMO your scaring off newbie investors who can perfectly safely trade these instruments and benefit from trends with yourr talk of huge losses.
    And its a myth to say holding these for months is both risky and costly, the expense ratios can be pretty low and whether its a bear or a bull run then months or even multi-years of a trend in your favour and you will gain.

    As I said earlier this week, I thought this market (circa Mar-June) was a once in a lifetime oppurtunity, but IMO here we are again with a good chance of a repeat and Im betting on that. So what ever you did back then that made you money just repeat, which in my instance was buying short ETFs which paid handsomely on the crash , picking up stocks on the dip and then riding the recovery.
    I dont like people telling me what to do, nor am I implying anyone should do what I tell them. Im simply putting out there what I do .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Posters have been implying buying this ETF is buying with leverage , which its not.
    IMO your scaring off newbie investors who can perfectly safely trade these instruments and benefit from trends with yourr talk of huge losses.
    And its a myth to say holding these for months is both risky and costly, the expense ratios can be pretty low and whether its a bear or a bull run then months or even multi-years of a trend in your favour and you will gain.

    It *is* buying with leverage, with the complexity of leverage packaged in an ETF as per mentioned in the KIID (you seem to be equating leverage with the concept of margin call, which are 2 different things).

    Also you still seem to miss-out on beta slippage. The main cost of holding this ETF isn’t necessarily the expense ratio, it is rather beta slippage and the cost of rolling over derivatives which are separate from the expense ratio. Sticking to the expense ratio as the main cost is like ignoring contango when looking at the cost of owning an oil ETF.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Bob24 wrote: »
    It *is* buying with leverage, with the complexity of leverage packaged in an ETF as per mentioned in the KIID (you seem to be equating leverage with the concept of margin call, which are 2 different things).

    Also you still seem to miss-out on beta slippage. The main cost of holding this ETF isn’t necessarily the expense ratio, it is rather beta slippage and the cost of rolling over derivatives which are not account for. Sticking to the expense ration as the main cost is like ignoring Contango when looking at the cost of owning an oil ETF.

    QQQS.MI up 7.24% today ... :D ... If you have more charts and opinion let me know
    Some nice healthy green in my portfolio , even on this red day , and daily volume indicates alot of interest
    In fact all my short plays are in the green , bar Euro Banks but thats cos Lagarde will do anything to stay in control .

    Some of these high risk (your words not mine) short ETFs made so much money for their investors during the March crash some of them were forceibly redeemed because the swap counterparty had to limit losses

    If we get a trend across my short plays in the coming weeks we are off to the races , just like earlier this year.
    Money doesnt just dissapear, if theres people losing money then others are making money, you just need to be on the right side of the fence for the big swings.
    If things dont pan out the way I feel then just like every investment, you do due diligence, you make a decision, you make a play and you deal with the consequences.

    Looks like my HTZ is in trouble .. you cant win them all .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭DutchYurt


    You're daily update on the **** show that is fastly, currently -8.4% today, the CEO gave a guidance downgrade due to an acquisition two days after earnings. Brilliant. My weak hands have another 5% dip them I'm out at a very large loss.

    I'd love any ones take on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    I give up. I think Willie says it best...

    https://youtu.be/8cALg01khKg?list=RD8cALg01khKg


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DutchYurt wrote: »
    ...........

    I'd love any ones take on this.

    Are you a trader or an investor?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭Nemeses2050


    DutchYurt wrote: »
    You're daily update on the **** show that is fastly, currently -8.4% today, the CEO gave a guidance downgrade due to an acquisition two days after earnings. Brilliant. My weak hands have another 5% dip them I'm out at a very large loss.

    I'd love any ones take on this.

    TBH you should have got out around mid-70's...if i'm right you got in low 90's...so that's a huge loss...I would say it'll stabilise around 40's...

    haven't been on board PINS...but as it has risen so much in the last couple of weeks wait for correction...probably it'll come down to 40's again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,510 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Had a look at my portfolio there, almost everything red bar Livongo. Checked the news and saw that Livongo converted to Teledoc last night so I now own Teladoc now instead. That's down 9% too. Ah well!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    I expect markets will respond favourably to a Biden win. Obama managed a good recovery after the last crisis with Biden at his side. Whatever about Trump being a friend of Wall Street he brings to much undesirable instability


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Apps (digital turbine), beats earnings expections, SP crashes by 16% 😬


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    A smart move would be to sell everything now before tomorrow's blood-bath of "good news" and pre-election adjustments.

    Why oh why didn't I listen to my inner voice yesterday... It was clear as day that this was going to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭jams100


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Had a look at my portfolio there, almost everything red bar Livongo. Checked the news and saw that Livongo converted to Teledoc last night so I now own Teladoc now instead. That's down 9% too. Ah well!

    My Portfolio is only down 0.7% today, seems that having a broad portfolio is generally a good thing when it comes to a sell off, the two other people I've talked to are down 4-5% today, are people relying too much on one sector?

    I still think tech is the place to be and I'm looking at picking up some more of the faang stocks less netflix if we see another bit of a drop. (Only own amzn and goog right now). Also looking for a good entry point to get back on the draft kings train.

    Got into IAG this week, a stock i feel is going to pop with a vaccine announcement due in the next month, there's talk of there being 8 vaccines approved by July next year...signs an end might be in sight + the American election should be done in a few weeks as well as talk of mass antigen tests to be fast tracked by the eu and finally eu stimulus as a Christmas present. If you can see 4-6 months ahead I think we'll be in a much better place. Or, maybe im being optimistic, time shall tell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    Why oh why didn't I listen to my inner voice yesterday... It was clear as day that this was going to happen.

    The same reason you will not sell on Monday even though deep down in your consciousnesses you know the blood in the markets have only started to flow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    The time has come for cheap stocks, not the expensive ones.

    I've mostly moved to already discounted cyclicals in the last few weeks which largely saved me in the last few days.

    Plus cash looks like a winner candidate in November.

    And Bank of America predicts 20% drop in stock valuations after elections.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    My crystal ball is telling me that COVID winter isnt priced in however if the election result in America is decisive we may have a relief rally to near the highs again but the worsening figures as we get into winter and COVID does its thing will mean another decline again.
    That said if we have a vaccine with wide availability this side of Christmas who knows? I read one report that the CDC advised Governors to prepare for vaccine availability starting November 15th so it may happen.

    Bruce Flatt (CEO of Brookfield Asset Management) reckons that this isn't the game changer everyone seems to think it is in terms of WFH and the big cities in decline. His main premise being that the weak will perish and the stronger will just get stronger.
    Very interesting interview on Youtube worth a watch, I am a big fan of Mr Flatt.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    I wouldn't count on a vaccine wide availability. There's even no flu vaccines available and there are several manufacturers making them on a full steam. It will take years to have vaccine available for a wider population.

    And then, how long will it be effective for? If less then 1 year then it may not become a game changer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    voluntary wrote: »
    The same reason you will not sell on Monday even though deep down in your consciousnesses you know the blood in the markets have only started to flow.

    I don't disagree. I'm waiting for the election -if it goes blue then I'm 100% out. The weakening of the dollar is enough incentive for me.

    Someone said earlier that a Biden win may be good for the economy initially similar to when Obama was elected, but I think the market is wise to that this time.

    If ever there is a positive, at least I'll have a nice cgt offset for all next year's gains...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    I don't disagree. I'm waiting for the election -if it goes blue then I'm 100% out. The weakening of the dollar is enough incentive for me.

    Someone said earlier that a Biden win may be good for the economy initially similar to when Obama was elected, but I think the market is wise to that this time.

    If ever there is a positive, at least I'll have a nice cgt offset for all next year's gains...

    I'm hanging in there as I've been doing the past 10 years. Presidents come and go, I've a 20 year time frame. Will it hurt seeing my stocks get battered? Sure.

    I'll try and disconnect from cnbc and other media and hold out


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,826 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    Someone said earlier that a Biden win may be good for the economy initially similar to when Obama was elected, but I think the market is wise to that this time


    And yet history show us that Republicans are really bad news for the market:


    https-blogs-images-forbes-com-peterlazaroff-files-2016-07-2016-07-20-President-Market-Data.jpg

    Betting on this kind of crap is what will cost people money in the long term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Pretty good decision matrix on the relevant economic policies influencing the markets, depending on who wins the presidency and who wins Congress!

    https://twitter.com/ronstoeferle/status/1322264020628418560?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,510 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    And yet history show us that Republicans are really bad news for the market:


    https-blogs-images-forbes-com-peterlazaroff-files-2016-07-2016-07-20-President-Market-Data.jpg

    Betting on this kind of crap is what will cost people money in the long term.
    Convenient you’ve left Trump out of that. I suspect no matter how far you go back, the market goes up with Republican presidents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭sirboby


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Convenient you’ve left Trump out of that. I suspect no matter how far you go back, the market goes up with Republican presidents

    it says in the bottom
    "Barack Obama's current term is incomplete"
    So obviously the table was made during his second term, hence why Trump was excluded.

    Democrats Historically do have a more positive impact on the stock market, that's not a debate.

    That being said I don't know who would have a better impact over the next 4 years, Trump or Biden.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    sirboby wrote: »
    it says in the bottom
    "Barack Obama's current term is incomplete"
    So obviously the table was made during his second term, hence why Trump was excluded.

    Democrats Historically do have a more positive impact on the stock market, that's not a debate.

    That being said I don't know who would have a better impact over the next 4 years, Trump or Biden.

    Isn't Biden all for increase in cgt in the states?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,826 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Convenient you’ve left Trump out of that. I suspect no matter how far you go back, the market goes up with Republican presidents

    Well first of all I did not create the chart and secondly it does not matter if Trump is in it or not. The outcome will be the same - trying to time the market, following the talking heads, betting your gut etc will eventually cost you money.

    Unfortunately though it takes about 20 years for people to prove it to themselves. Achieving an annualized return of 12.5% or so is very doable if one works at it. And if you achieve that you double your wealth every five years, so missing out of 20 years is a serious loss of wealth.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    Well first of all I did not create the chart and secondly it does not matter if Trump is in it or not. The outcome will be the same - trying to time the market, following the talking heads, betting your gut etc will eventually cost you money.

    Unfortunately though it takes about 20 years for people to prove it to themselves. Achieving an annualized return of 12.5% or so is very doable if one works at it. And if you achieve that you double your wealth every five years, so missing out of 20 years is a serious loss of wealth.


    any sign of a Share tip forthcoming ... :rolleyes:


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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Supercell wrote: »
    My crystal ball is telling me that COVID winter isnt priced in however if the election result in America is decisive we may have a relief rally to near the highs again but the worsening figures as we get into winter and COVID does its thing will mean another decline again.
    That said if we have a vaccine with wide availability this side of Christmas who knows? I read one report that the CDC advised Governors to prepare for vaccine availability starting November 15th so it may happen.

    Bruce Flatt (CEO of Brookfield Asset Management) reckons that this isn't the game changer everyone seems to think it is in terms of WFH and the big cities in decline. His main premise being that the weak will perish and the stronger will just get stronger.
    Very interesting interview on Youtube worth a watch, I am a big fan of Mr Flatt.

    Great interview. For a CEO he is very open and I expect he is good at his job and influencing country leaders to follow directions beneficial to his orgs portfolio.
    Im not sure I buy into it all, but he delivered it with conviction and backup.
    Real estate mogul says we will all be back in the office and expanding urban cities in the next 18 months... he couldnt very well say anything else.

    Very interesting structure to their portfolio, they have huge interests in many areas renewables,property,infrastructure and all segregated, so which do you play BAM, BIP, BEP or BPY ?

    Earnings coming up, BAM-Nov12 , BEP Nov4, BIP Nov12, BPY Nov6, defintely one to watch dependant on presidential result and as we exit this Covid thing in the next 6-18 months. Seems to have alot of its value already priced in. Cant see BPY doing much , but BIP and BEP could be good long term investments plus a healthy dividend.


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